London Terror Attack(s)

[smile72]

It's disappointing reading the racist comments encouraging people of the Islamic faith to convert to Christianity...I mean both sides have their terrorists. It\s quite tiring more often then not these people don\t understand why these problems exist in the first place...they like to go to the easy problem such as they are Muslim...it's sickening and tiring. And it irritates me how the moderators allow this one sided attack on a faith group.

Oh look, it's another attack.
*shrugs*
Nothing will change from it.

How can it? There isn't much that can be done aside from sending troops into Iraq and Syria and maybe Mindanao if the Philippines allows it. Unlike the gun attacks in the US...there isn't so much that can be done unless you want Europe to resemble Nazi Germany or Chechnya.

 

[Vipera]

And yet the bible says pretty much the same thing. And here in the US, many many people are trying to put those laws into effect. Two consenting adults can't do what they want in their own bedroom because the Christians don't like it. Kids can't get adopted because the Christians don't like it. People can't get important medicine because Christians don't like it. People are getting beaten in their own church for being gay. So yeah.. Christians here in the US are litteraly doing the same damn thing you just said.

Too bad that there's nothing in the bible mentioning that gay people shouldn't be gay. There is a very confused part in the old testament (whom any Christian, by default, should not follow) and a personal consideration of one of the apostles. That's it. Jesus, on the other hand, preached people to be good and don't bother others.

Also, as I already mentioned, the very small minority of people who are against LGBT rights get a huge backlash. Unless they are muslims.

 

[Tigran]

Too bad that there's nothing in the bible mentioning that gay people shouldn't be gay. There is a very confused part in the old testament (whom any Christian, by default, should not follow) and a personal consideration of one of the apostles. That's it. Jesus, on the other hand, preached people to be good and don't bother others.

Also, as I already mentioned, the very small minority of people who are against LGBT rights get a huge backlash. Unless they are muslims.

OUR FUCKING VICE PRESIDENT THINKS GAYS SHOULD BE BEATEN UNTIL THEY ARE STRAIGHT!

Don't give me this fucking "Very small minority" shit.

http://www.hrc.org/blog/100-anti-lgbtq-bills-introduced-in-2017

Hell.. It's ILLEGAL FOR A RESTAURANT TO LET ME USE A SINGLE PERSON WOMAN'S BATHROOM IF THE MEN'S BATHROOM IS OUT OF GODAMN FUCKING ORDER!

 

[barronwaffles]

It's disappointing reading the racist comments encouraging people of the Islamic faith to convert to Christianity...I mean both sides have their terrorists. It\s quite tiring more often then not these people don\t understand why these problems exist in the first place...they like to go to the easy problem such as they are Muslim...it's sickening and tiring. And it irritates me how the moderators allow this one sided attack on a faith group.

How can it? There isn't much that can be done aside from sending troops into Iraq and Syria and maybe Mindanao if the Philippines allows it. Unlike the gun attacks in the US...there isn't so much that can be done unless you want Europe to resemble Nazi Germany or Chechnya.

They already have troops in Syria - western involvement in Syria and Libya is a large part of why these attacks have been occurring so frequently.

 

[smile72]

Too bad that there's nothing in the bible mentioning that gay people shouldn't be gay. There is a very confused part in the old testament (whom any Christian, by default, should not follow) and a personal consideration of one of the apostles. That's it. Jesus, on the other hand, preached people to be good and don't bother others.

Also, as I already mentioned, the very small minority of people who are against LGBT rights get a huge backlash. Unless they are muslimsh.

Not true...Muslims also get backlash from that. Only the Muslim majority countries don't and that's largely due to Europe and the United States not caring enough to try and pressure them to fix it. In fact these countries, by that I mean Western Asia and Indonesia, are so fragile and problematic now LARGELY due to Europe and interference from the U.S.

 

[MionissNio]

This is a very good point you are making and I'm glad someone who thinks Islam isn't the problem did that. You reminded me of Uganda, with the majority of people being Christian, and it's also the worst place to be an LGBT member, with people in the parliament wanting to outlaw it as much as possible and the newspapers doing witch hunts to catch the gay people who "don't want to change" or the people who do "curative rape".

But I don't agree with those countries having a delicate issue to be the problem. In case of Uganda, the overwhelming majority of the word condemned the place and even the Pope mentioned how crazy it is. Everyone agrees that everyone has human rights and the very minority of people who agreed with Uganda has been flooded with backlash. Why can't it be the same with Islam? The qu'ran has a lot of verses about killing people. Mohammed married a little girl. The sharia law condemns people who leave the faith with death. These, together with many other issues, are "culturally diverse" and "not a big of deal" for people. Millions of Muslims want the sharia law to be part of their country's law. They also sympathize with terrorists and are against LGBT people. Yet, if you dare to mention these incompatibilities with the western societies, you are a bigot. There is a big elephant in the room nobody is willing to address, and THIS is how you eventually make people who want all muslims to be dead. I'm not part of those people, I just want the world to address the problem and to act accordingly, instead of reporting people on Twitter for "hate speech" or defending the muslim community.

Umm Islam does receive backlash you just did it right now! Wikiislam exists religion of peace exist and so many more examples in YouTube comments. The problem is both sides are ignorant as fuck the brainwashed sharians and right wingers alike.

Muhammad was a great figure at the time he existed because that time the it was either kill or be killed in the Arab civilization, even then killing was avoided as much as possible.

But now situation is different most *Radical* Muslim fail to realize times have utterly changed and war means bad for both sides once the west gets aggressive whole middle East us nothing but pure Glass (not gorrila).

Thing thing alt right and Muslim fail to understand is that Muhammad was also honest, kind, and wise and all these qualities which are mandatory, these qualities were to r applied in the future right now! Times change and Islam is highly misunderstood by both sides, Quran is a complicated book and hard to interpret properly so hard that sects exist on different interpretations.

Muslim tend to censor skepticism against the religion but imho it's the skepticism that will make you seek more truth and be able defended the religion more accurately.

 

[Vipera]

OUR FUCKING VICE PRESIDENT THINKS GAYS SHOULD BE BEATEN UNTIL THEY ARE STRAIGHT!

Don't give me this fucking "Very small minority" shit.

http://www.hrc.org/blog/100-anti-lgbtq-bills-introduced-in-2017

Hell.. It's ILLEGAL FOR A RESTAURANT TO LET ME USE A SINGLE PERSON WOMAN'S BATHROOM IF THE MEN'S BATHROOM IS OUT OF GODAMN FUCKING ORDER!

Awesome. Have they passed? Has the supreme court backed out from making any attempt to be futile? Of course not.

Also, sources about the vice president or never happened.

 

[barronwaffles]

OUR FUCKING VICE PRESIDENT THINKS GAYS SHOULD BE BEATEN UNTIL THEY ARE STRAIGHT!

Don't give me this fucking "Very small minority" shit.

http://www.hrc.org/blog/100-anti-lgbtq-bills-introduced-in-2017

Hell.. It's ILLEGAL FOR A RESTAURANT TO LET ME USE A SINGLE PERSON WOMAN'S BATHROOM IF THE MEN'S BATHROOM IS OUT OF GODAMN FUCKING ORDER!

You parrot the same style horse shit that 'right-wing' media peddlers sell on the other side of the political spectrum.

Do you actually have a quote from Pence saying that "We should beat gays until they are straight" ?

 

[smile72]

They already have troops in Syria - western involvement in Syria and Libya is a large part of why these attacks have been occurring so frequently.

That\s my point though....there isn't much that can be done unless you want a Nazi style Europe And sorry that I didn't know about British involvement in Syria. I live in Japan so I sometimes miss things.

 

[barronwaffles]

That\s my point though....there isn't much that can be done unless you want a Nazi style Europe And sorry that I didn't know about British involvement in Syria. I live in Japan so I sometimes miss things.

Restricting immigration and clamping down on extremist preachers is not creating a 'Nazi Europe' - nor is it likely a solution itself.

 

[Ritsuki]

This is a very good point you are making and I'm glad someone who thinks Islam isn't the problem did that. You reminded me of Uganda, with the majority of people being Christian, and it's also the worst place to be an LGBT member, with people in the parliament wanting to outlaw it as much as possible and the newspapers doing witch hunts to catch the gay people who "don't want to change" or the people who do "curative rape".

But I don't agree with those countries having a delicate issue to be the problem. In case of Uganda, the overwhelming majority of the word condemned the place and even the Pope mentioned how crazy it is. Everyone agrees that everyone has human rights and the very minority of people who agreed with Uganda has been flooded with backlash. Why can't it be the same with Islam? The qu'ran has a lot of verses about killing people. Mohammed married a little girl. The sharia law condemns people who leave the faith with death. These, together with many other issues, are "culturally diverse" and "not a big of deal" for people. Millions of Muslims want the sharia law to be part of their country's law. They also sympathize with terrorists and are against LGBT people. Yet, if you dare to mention these incompatibilities with the western societies, you are a bigot. There is a big elephant in the room nobody is willing to address, and THIS is how you eventually make people who want all muslims to be dead. I'm not part of those people, I just want the world to address the problem and to act accordingly, instead of reporting people on Twitter for "hate speech" or defending the muslim community.

To be honest I was hesitating talking about that here, most of the time I talk about Islam, people get crazy We cannot have a proper debate if people are not willing to search for the truth. I'm lucky because I was born in a very modern muslim family, so I know Islam, but since I was born and raised in Switzerland, I have enough cultural detachment to at least try to understand where is the real problem.

Anyway, thank you for exchanging these words full of wisdom with us, my friend

 

[erman1337]

Thing thing alt right and Muslim fail to understand is that Muhammad was also honest, kind, and wise and all these qualities which are mandatory, these qualities were to r applied in the future right now! Times change and Islam is highly misunderstood by both sides, Quran is a complicated book and hard to interpret properly
so hard that sects exist on different interpretations.

he was also a pedophile

 

[smile72]

Restricting immigration and clamping down on extremist preachers is not creating a 'Nazi Europe' - nor is it likely a solution itself.

Restricting immigration is fine unless you restrict just Muslims and well it would probably also deteriorate things further as you know Europe is simply dying off. Its like Japan. It needs immigrants. So that would damage Europe....

 

[Tigran]

he was also a pedophile

You do realize back in those times girls as young as 10 and 12 were married away regularly right? And I may I remind people that the term pedophile is often greatly mis-used. Most than likely the girl he was wed to had gone through puberty, thus it would no longer be pedophilia. People seem to get pedophilia and "Age of consent" confused when they are two very different things.

As for the Mike Pence thing:

"In a surprise announcement today, Indiana Governor and Vice President-elect Mike Pence said that gay conversion therapy saved his marriage. The controversial Republican, who was elected the 50th governor of the Hoosier State, has been a long-time proponent of a “Biblical view” on homosexuality and as a member of Congress stated that the legislative branch “should oppose any effort to recognize homosexuals as a ‘discrete and insular minority’ entitled to the protection of anti-discrimination laws similar to those extended to women and ethnic minorities.”

“It[gay conversion therapy] was instrumental in helping me overcoming certain urges,” said the Vice President elect in an interview with Fox News. “With God’s help, and the work of many of his therapists, I was able to seek the straight path when I was a younger man. If it wasn’t for that, I would have never been able to marry.”"


And I've never seen a "Conversion Therapy" that wasn't literally torture.

 

[Lucifer666]

why is islam still a thing nowdays?
all muslims need to convert to christianity if they're to be allowed in western societies

Muslims got tired of France, now they want to fuck the shit out of britain guys, other countries are chillin right now lol

Are you both insane?

Edit: Muslim living in London here. The attack was 20 mins away from where I live. Very sad, spent all of last night and this morning watching the news and listening to witness reports. This is definitely an attempt to mix up people's feelings about the election on Thursday, no doubt. Thoughts go out to the people affected or who had the daylights scared out of them. I had to call my ex to make sure she's all right since she basically lives round a corner from the bridge.

 

[barronwaffles]

Restricting immigration is fine unless you restrict just Muslims and well it would probably also deteriorate things further as you know Europe is simply dying off. Its like Japan. It needs immigrants. So that would damage Europe....

Replacement doesn't save a culture,

As a Japanese citizen you should naturally be aware of the fact that as population has declined in Japan over the last 3 decades virtually all metrics related to quality of life have increased - why do you think this is? Do you think it's possible that the population decline itself is natural, and will recover naturally? Are you willing to risk your culture and security with immigration?

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As for the Mike Pence thing:

"In a surprise announcement today, Indiana Governor and Vice President-elect Mike Pence said that gay conversion therapy saved his marriage. The controversial Republican, who was elected the 50th governor of the Hoosier State, has been a long-time proponent of a “Biblical view” on homosexuality and as a member of Congress stated that the legislative branch “should oppose any effort to recognize homosexuals as a ‘discrete and insular minority’ entitled to the protection of anti-discrimination laws similar to those extended to women and ethnic minorities.”

“It[gay conversion therapy] was instrumental in helping me overcoming certain urges,” said the Vice President elect in an interview with Fox News. “With God’s help, and the work of many of his therapists, I was able to seek the straight path when I was a younger man. If it wasn’t for that, I would have never been able to marry.”"


And I've never seen a "Conversion Therapy" that wasn't literally torture.

Fact check that.

 

[erman1337]

You do realize back in those times girls as young as 10 and 12 were married away regularly right? And I may I remind people that the term pedophile is often greatly mis-used. Most than likely the girl he was wed to had gone through puberty, thus it would no longer be pedophilia. People seem to get pedophilia and "Age of consent" confused when they are two very different things.

Forced marriages are still rampant in many islamic societies today

 

[smile72]

Replacement doesn't save a culture,

As a Japanese citizen you should naturally be aware of the fact that as population has declined in Japan over the last 3 decades virtually all metrics related to quality of life have increased - why do you think this is? Do you think it's possible that the population decline itself is natural, and will recover naturally? Are you willing to risk your culture and security with immigration?

Um I am an immigrant to Japan as well. My husband is a Japanese citizen... and I can tell you thats some racist bullshit. And ummmm... I dont think you understand why Japans quality of life is so good. Its largely due to sacrifices made by the Japanese people due to the lack of population and crippling debt affecting this country and an uncaring political elite. And well, you risk your culture and your future regardless...

 

[Tigran]

They are still rampant in the US too.. Just under different names.

Hell.. SLAVERY is still rampant in the US as people buy and sell kids and such.

 

[Lucifer666]

Are you willing to risk your culture and security with immigration?

I believe you need to read up on correlation vs causation