Homebrew 3ds video player, why is it so hard?

[Dotmore]

Why is it so hard to make an Video player homebrew for 3DS? Is it due to 3DS limitations?

 

[TheCruel]

o3ds has no decent hardware accelerated video decoding ability. The n3ds has some, but I'm not sure how much devs understand it currently.

 

[3than_H]

https://gbatemp.net/threads/release-video-channels-creator-custom-cia-videos-for-everyone.415708/

 

[dubbz82]

Besides what's already been mentioned, the video format that's used in most games hasn't been completely reverse engineered yet (for what it's worth, that format is .moflex, and although there's been some progress, there's still no way to convert video TO this format yet to the best of my knowledge). Between this and the lack of proper hardware acceleration, our choices of video formats are limited, especially for the o3ds. I could see the o3ds maybe some day pulling off like mpeg/maybe xvid/divx, but it certainly wouldn't be able to pull off anything heavier than that, simply because of the lack of cpu power (and it would have to be encoded to fit the screen, you certainly wouldn't be able to just drop in whatever video you may have grabbed from the internet and expect it to work without some more work on your end).

 

[izy]

https://gbatemp.net/threads/release-video-channels-creator-custom-cia-videos-for-everyone.415708/

That just uses the MJPEG AVI format the 3DS can play in the camera app as a JPGV CIA player.

Downside is even though they are both the same file type that homebew cant play videos at native speed on OLD3DS yet it can do it via the camera APP only downside is 10min limit

Also its funny because its based on LPP3DS whic is based off the PSP version which has MP4 Libs

o3ds has no decent hardware accelerated video decoding ability. The n3ds has some, but I'm not sure how much devs understand it currently.

Oh devs can easily start doing it they just not

https://gbatemp.net/threads/release-3damnesic-a-poc-video-player.396184/

https://github.com/Lectem/3Damnesic

 

[raystriker]

That just uses the MJPEG AVI format the 3DS can play in the camera app as a JPGV CIA player.

I think its a little different. The videos are encoded into JPGV format directly.

 

[TecXero]

Lack of interest, most likely. There are fewer good homebrew developers developing for the 3DS than on the PSP or Wii. Of those developers, who's going to want to watch videos on the 3DS when most of your Androids already have decent media players and better screens? Rin has been working on a couple of options, though. I'd recommend keeping an eye on his work.

 

[Apache Thunder]

It would be easier to just patch out the 10 minute limit from the camera app. Hell I even made a seperate version I modified to install to NAND and even managed to patch the .code so it looked in different directories so one wouldn't have to dump their videos in with their other stuff in the original DCIM folder. I had mine looking in the "MCIM" folder instead.

Couldn't get anyone to look into REing it and finding out how to fix the 10 minute limit. I doubt it's a hardware limitation. It's just bone headed software design by Nintendo.

There's SunShell and the video channel maker. But they don't support playing movies in 3D which is really the thing people are waiting for. The 3DS has a neat glasses free 3D viewing method and would be great to watch 3D movies on...But nope. Nintendo c*ck blocked us and limited us to 2D YouTube and Netflix. Sure the n3DS has 3D support in YouTube (not sure about Netflix. Did they ever update the Netflix app for 3D support on the n3DS?)_. But that's not the same. A Plex app would be awesome. I know you can use it with the browser, but it's not as convenient.

 

[TecXero]

It would be easier to just patch out the 10 minute limit from the camera app. Hell I even made a seperate version I modified to install to NAND and even managed to patch the .code so it looked in different directories so one wouldn't have to dump their videos in with their other stuff in the original DCIM folder. I had mine looking in the "MCIM" folder instead.

Couldn't get anyone to look into REing it and finding out how to fix the 10 minute limit. I doubt it's a hardware limitation. It's just bone headed software design by Nintendo.

There's SunShell and the video channel maker. But they don't support playing movies in 3D which is really the thing people are waiting for. The 3DS has a neat glasses free 3D viewing method and would be great to watch 3D movies on...But nope. Nintendo c*ck blocked us and limited us to 2D YouTube and Netflix. Sure the n3DS has 3D support in YouTube (not sure about Netflix. Did they ever update the Netflix app for 3D support on the n3DS?)_. But that's not the same. A Plex app would be awesome. I know you can use it with the browser, but it's not a convenient.

Oh yeah, forgot the 3DS supports 3D. The 10min limit I could deal with but the 20fps limit makes videos look too choppy to me.

 

[Apache Thunder]

Remember moonshell? That could barely push 24FPS and I found that an enjoyable experience. I'm perfectly fine being limited to 20FPS if the 3D works.

I think the camera app still runs in o3DS mode on n3DS. I bet that could be run with n3DS clock speeds to allow better frame rates. (though frame rate limit is probably hardcoded, so you'd have to patch that out too)

 

[TecXero]

Remember moonshell? That could barely push 24FPS and I found that an enjoyable experience. I'm perfectly fine being limited to 20FPS if the 3D works.

I think the camera app still runs in o3DS mode on n3DS. I bet that could be run with n3DS clock speeds to allow better frame rates. (though frame rate limit is probably hardcoded, so you'd have to patch that out too)

I loved moonshell for music and comics, but can't say I enjoyed it for video.

 

[izy]

I think its a little different. The videos are encoded into JPGV format directly.

JPGV is just MJPEG AVI they both the exact same format. Except JPGV has headers in it so media players cannot player and also it doesnt contain the audio.
Both are MJPEG with PCM audio
his CIA converter uses OGG now (though it didnt originally it was the LQ setting derp)

JPGV Audio and Vide both get merged in the CIA making.

Btw if you look at how the JPGV encoder works it doesnt do a DIRECT conversion.
It extracts every single frame of the video into the Stuffs/Temp folder (strangely enough rotated 90 degrees) they are also resized t. So easily 10k+ jpgs
While it does this it converts the resolution to 400x240

His video encoder doesnt even handle stuff like bitrates etc or different passes. It only does Qscale.

Btw the downside of his JPGV converter is also the fact media players cannot play it and it will only convert directly to cia.

If he just made it convert to MJPEG avi which is the same. People could then play the files in their media players to Test the quality of the output, instead of waiting to isntall it on 3DS to hit and miss.

 

[raystriker]

JPGV is just MJPEG AVI they both the exact same format. Except JPGV has headers in it so media players cannot player and also it doesnt contain the audio.
Both are MJPEG with PCM audio
his CIA converter uses OGG now (though it didnt originally it was the LQ setting derp)

JPGV Audio and Vide both get merged in the CIA making.

Btw if you look at how the JPGV encoder works it doesnt do a DIRECT conversion.
It extracts every single frame of the video into the Stuffs/Temp folder (strangely enough rotated 90 degrees) they are also resized t. So easily 10k+ jpgs
While it does this it converts the resolution to 400x240

His video encoder doesnt even handle stuff like bitrates etc or different passes. It only does Qscale.

Btw the downside of his JPGV converter is also the fact media players cannot play it and it will only convert directly to cia.

If he just made it convert to MJPEG avi which is the same. People could then play the files in their media players to Test the quality of the output, instead of waiting to isntall it on 3DS to hit and miss.

hmm so you mean to tell me that his apps that play JPGVs are basically like the Nintendo Photos app without the time restriction?
Also, I'm not talking about his converter, i'm talking about the jpgv format.
There is one alternate conv to convert to jpgv files 'jpgvthon', you can find it here on the forum.

 

[Rinnegatamante]

hmm so you mean to tell me that his apps that play JPGVs are basically like the Nintendo Photos app without the time restriction?
Also, I'm not talking about his converter, i'm talking about the jpgv format.
There is one alternate conv to convert to jpgv files 'jpgvthon', you can find it here on the forum.

JPGV container and AVI container are way different:

1) Vorbis audiocodec support
2) Frames are rotated to match 3DS screens (just to not wate CPU clocks to rotate it through software).
3) JPGV has native support to stereoscopic 3D (not implemented in VCC but already worked on and fully working: ), normal AVI files use a workaround to reproduce 3D effect. ( https://github.com/Rinnegatamante/lpp-3ds/blob/master/source/luaVideo.cpp#L606-L763 )

I assume you're answering to a post made by squee666 or whatever is his nickname.
He's just an asshole shitposting about my works when he doesn't have any coding skill to reply about such technical questions, don't worry about his shit, just leave it shittalk how much he wants.

 

[ashxu]

Remember moonshell? That could barely push 24FPS and I found that an enjoyable experience. I'm perfectly fine being limited to 20FPS if the 3D works.

I think the camera app still runs in o3DS mode on n3DS. I bet that could be run with n3DS clock speeds to allow better frame rates. (though frame rate limit is probably hardcoded, so you'd have to patch that out too)

Moonshell was at a time where the most popular mp3 player was the iPod which was incredibly expensive. Video player on the go was also something not many people had. So if you had a DS + Flash cart, moonshell was really good.

Now everyone has a smartphone so no one really cares about a 3DS video player.

 

[dubbz82]

That just uses the MJPEG AVI format the 3DS can play in the camera app as a JPGV CIA player.

Downside is even though they are both the same file type that homebew cant play videos at native speed on OLD3DS yet it can do it via the camera APP only downside is 10min limit

Also its funny because its based on LPP3DS whic is based off the PSP version which has MP4 Libs


Oh devs can easily start doing it they just not

https://gbatemp.net/threads/release-3damnesic-a-poc-video-player.396184/

https://github.com/Lectem/3Damnesic

By all means, if you believe it to be so easy, no one is stopping you from taking a swing at attempting it.

 

[TecXero]

Now everyone has a smartphone so no one really cares about a 3DS video player.

I wouldn't say no one. I don't care about it but there seems to be some people in this thread that do, a couple of them being talented coders.

 

[ashxu]

I wouldn't say no one. I don't care about it but there seems to be some people in this thread that do, a couple of them being talented coders.

Well if someone wants to do it, be my guest. I just don't see a reason why you'd want to as smartphones are very common and a lot easier to use for videos. Also even if someone makes a 3DS video player, it won't look as good as on a smartphone.

Seems like a lot of work for a small pay off.

 

[raystriker]

@Rinnegatamante since jpgv is the container, what is the encoder? Just curious.

 

[Rinnegatamante]

@Rinnegatamante since jpgv is the container, what is the encoder? Just curious.

The encoder uses ffmpeg for original videos decoding purposes and then jpgv_encoder (sourcecode can be found in vid2jpgv download): https://github.com/Rinnegatamante/lpp-3ds/blob/master/JPGV/vid2jpgv.rar