Do You Believe In God?

[Amadren]

what's your view on the evolution theory?

May be possible, who knows? Even if it wasn't proved, nothing in any holy books is saying that God haven't created us by making us evolving.

 

[osaka35]

Nope, don't believe it. But, y'know, jus' my opinion anyway! Just like your own view is yours.

Well, there's at least 5 different sciences that have said "if evolution is true, we should expect these hundreds or so things to be true" and "if evolution is not true, we should expect these hundreds or so things to be true", and they all point to evolution. Independently. Completely on their own with no data from the other fields. Seriously, it's more strongly supported by the evidence than nuclear theory or the theory of gravity. So there's that.

Well, the big bang is when time started. As our entire frame of reference is living in time that happens at a consistent rate, any concept outside of that frame is difficult to conceptualize and comprehend. Even the smartest of folks have to break that one down. And new data may show that something different happened. But it's important to remember that current evidence and models do indicate that is what happened.

On a related note: http://chem.tufts.edu/answersinscience/relativityofwrong.htm

 

[LittleFlame]

Would you be willing to share even one of those "scientific proofs" with any of us? You will be the first human in recorded history to be able to do so.

Sincere, genuine question.

you know i wasn't going to go there because it's disrespectful, come on man

 

[CraddaPoosta]

May be possible, who knows? Even if it wasn't proved, nothing in any holy books is saying that God haven't created us by making us evolving.

Not true. There are two conflicting accounts of Creation, just in the Book of Genesis. Also, a negative cannot be proven. Suggesting that since nothing in any holy book says something DIDN'T happen opens up an infinite world of potential interpretation.

For example, since the Bible doesn't say that laser blasters are holy weapons, we should all get laser blasters to fight infidels with. It's not prohibited in the Bible, so it must be cool. See what I mean? Only positive claims can be proven.

you know i wasn't going to go there because it's disrespectful, come on man

Asking someone to show me the same evidence they claim to have found is "disrespectful"? How does THAT work out?

Correctly stating that any human who can prove a god used evolution to create mankind would be the first human in history to be able to do so is the truth. How is that "disrespectful"?

 

[LittleFlame]

Not true. There are two conflicting accounts of Creation, just in the Book of Genesis. Also, a negative cannot be proven. Suggesting that since nothing in any holy book says something DIDN'T happen opens up an infinite world of potential interpretation.

For example, since the Bible doesn't say that laser blasters are holy weapons, we should all get laser blasters to fight infidels with. It's not prohibited in the Bible, so it must be cool. See what I mean? Only positive claims can be proven.

damn dude, you're harsh, i like that

 

[Amadren]

Would you be willing to share even one of those "scientific proofs" with any of us? You will be the first human in recorded history to be able to do so.

Sincere, genuine question.

I don't have the lines/pages BUT (and you'll find them on youtube, forums, websites etc...) there were 3 proofs that marked me a lot:
-Description of how the fœtus is made in the human belly
-Ants made of glass (there is sillicat silicium in their bones)
-Sun "always searching for a stable spot"

There are also verses speaking about big bang theory, iron imported from asteroids etc....

 

[Muffins]

I believe in God. I'm a muslim and read Coran several times. I always found a lot of scientific proofs of His existence (even some that I read before they were discovered ^^). So well, I can't believe that there's no God/afterlife.

It is fascinating how life developed on this planet, isn't it? In such a perfect, methodical manner. I believe in evolution but at the same time I am open to the idea of greater involvement as well.

 

[CraddaPoosta]

damn dude, you're harsh, i like that

Maybe I could soften my tone. There is no anger behind my words. Not intended to be harsh. Just brutal and blunt.

 

[LittleFlame]

before we go on with any of this i just want to say
all the religious books were written by people, humans
you know those terrible creatures who are known for lying to get their way?

 

[CraddaPoosta]

I don't have the lines/pages BUT (and you'll find them on youtube, forums, websites etc...) there were 3 proofs that marked me a lot:
-Description of how the fœtus is made in the human belly
-Ants made of glass (there is sillicat silicium in their bones)
-Sun "always searching for a stable spot"

There are also verses speaking about big bang theory, iron imported from asteroids etc....

Humans have understood the process of gestation ever since chickens were domesticated. It makes sense that humans would understand how a human fetus develops, after thousands of years of animal husbandry. That is not a valid "proof" of a god.

Silica is an abundant substance on this planet. As Carl Sagan said, we are ALL starstuff. Ants, people, Kanye, buffalo, plants; everything. Except Kanye. He was dredged from the taint crust of Satan.

The sun has no awareness, sentience, consciousness, id or ego. The sun cannot choose to act. It cannot "search".

 

[Amadren]

Maybe I could soften my tone. There is no anger behind my words. Not intended to be harsh. Just brutal and blunt.

No worries mate, understood

before we go on with any of this i just want to say
all the religious books were written by people, humans
you know those terrible creatures who are known for lying to get their way?

I know it. But, well it's my opinion, I find it really interresting to read a books written years ago (my family is muslim too so I already read 100/150 yo coran in the case you say that they may have been modified) where I can find things that are now scientifically proven.

 

[CraddaPoosta]

No worries mate, understood

I know it. But, well it's my opinion, I find it really interresting to read a books written years ago (my family is muslim too so I already read 100/150 yo coran in the case you say that they may have been modified) where I can find things that are now scientifically proven.

I will grant you that the Holy Quran is so much closer to the original version than the Bible ever has been or could be. Only being written in Arabic, there was no chance for the words to get distorted or localized. Your scripture didn't suffer the edits that the Bible did. We can blame the Second Council of Nicea and King James and Shakespeare for that.

 

[Amadren]

Humans have understood the process of gestation ever since chickens were domesticated. It makes sense that humans would understand how a human fetus develops, after thousands of years of animal husbandry. That is not a valid "proof" of a god.

Silica is an abundant substance on this planet. As Carl Sagan said, we are ALL starstuff. Ants, people, Kanye, buffalo, plants; everything. Except Kanye. He was dredged from the taint crust of Satan.

The sun has no awareness, sentience, consciousness, id or ego. The sun cannot choose to act. It cannot "search".

Well, that's why I "believe" in God ^^.
Honestly there are a lot more scientific proofs (I also had my "god doesn't exist" period and my father, a physician, and I talked about it in every ways we could for hours...) and if you want them, I can give them to you -when my father will come back lol- but it will still be my reasons and my opinions. Every single words can be interprated differently by differents people (just look at isis)

 

[CraddaPoosta]

Well, that's why I "believe" in God ^^.
Honestly there are a lot more scientific proofs (I also had my "god doesn't exist" period and my father, a physician, and I talked about it in every ways we could for hours...) and if you want them, I can give them to you -when my father will come back lol- but it will still be my reasons and my opinions. Every single words can be interprated differently by differents people (just look at isis)

I genuinely am interested in sharing your evidence. I've asked this of every single person who has ever made the claim that there is scientific proof to confirm the existence of a deity. I am always hopeful that one of you will be able to provide such. No winners, so far.

 

[Amadren]

I genuinely am interested in sharing your evidence. I've asked this of every single person who has ever made the claim that there is scientific proof to confirm the existence of a deity. I am always hopeful that one of you will be able to provide such. No winners, so far.

Challenge accepted. I will, when I'll be able to, I'll send you the evidences via PM ok?

 

[LittleFlame]

Challenge accepted. I will, when I'll be able to, I'll send you the evidences via PM ok?

no no please share publically

 

[Amadren]

no no please share publically

No problem, I will.

 

[CraddaPoosta]

Challenge accepted. I will, when I'll be able to, I'll send you the evidences via PM ok?

I'll take it any way I can get it, but your response begs the question:

Why WOULDN'T you publicly share your salvation and redemption with us? If you could offer a proof that would bring more of your lost brothers to Allah, wouldn't you WANT to do that?

 

[Amadren]

I'll take it any way I can get it, but your response begs the question:

Why WOULDN'T you publicly share your salvation and redemption with us? If you could offer a proof that would bring more of your lost brothers to Allah, wouldn't you WANT to do that?

Just because you asked and no one else before @LittleFlame, that's all ^^

 

[LittleFlame]

well this thread is hijacked