Hardware I miss square LCD monitors for my PC !

[osirisjem]

I'm looking for a nice monitor for my home PC.

Smaller size (ie. 19 inch)
IPS (love great viewing angles)
1920 x 1080 1280x1024
brighter the better

This PC has 2 monitors (I hate computers with just one screen, regardless how big the monitor is).

Anyone else like square monitors ? Apparently not ... It's getting hard to find square monitors !

Anyone think Brightness250 cd/m² is much different than 300 ?

 

[Foxi4]

...the nature of square monitors is that they're square and those have a 1:1 aspect ratio. I actually don't remember seeing a completely square monitor, ever - you probably mean 4:3... and with that aspect ratio, 1920x1080 is practically impossible without borders because this resolution is 16:9 - you would literally need tall rectangular pixels to pull that off in full screen.

EDIT: Did you intend this thread to be in the EoF as a joke or are you actually looking for a monitor like that and seek recommendations? Because if it's the latter, it should probably be moved to Computer Games and Technology, that's the spot to discuss computer-related subjects.

 

[osirisjem]

Foxi4 - good points !

I like this one:
http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=7874953&CatId=5469

Looks like what I want is: 1280x1024

 

[Foxi4]

Sounds like a more accurate resolution, yeah. I don't know much when it comes to 4:3 LCD's - I use 4:3 displays mostly for legacy consoles, but in those cases I stick to CRT's. I prefer 16:9 LCD's for anything modern, I prefer a wide viewing angle.

The thread's now in the right forum, so it should get more coverage - EoF threads don't pop up on the "Latest Threads" list. I'm sure someone more well-versed in the subject will be able to assist you.

 

[tbgtbg]

Foxi4 - good points !

I like this one:
http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=7874953&CatId=5469

Looks like what I want is: 1280x1024

Things to keep in mind, that has DVI and VGA but not HDMI. Also no built in speakers. None of that is a huge deal you can't find work arounds for if you need to, but just something to keep in mind.

 

[osirisjem]

tbgtbg - do you use HDMI ?

HDMI would be to connect my camcorder ? HD TV receiver ?

I guess this setup has room for a 16:9 monitor.
I think I'll go for that. Sounds like HDMI would be useful to me.

thanks tbgtbg.

tbgtbg - If I have a monitor connected to a PC ... and the PC is on. If I plug something into the HDMI .. will I be able to view it without disconnecting the monitor ?

ASUS VS247H-P, 23.6" Full HD LED SLIM Widescreen Monitor,
- 1920x1080, 2ms(GtG), 50M:1(ASCR),
- D-Sub, DVI-D and HDMI​

might just get this.

 

[Foxi4]

EDIT: Retracted, see below.

 

[Jayro]

OP needs a 5:4 ratio monitor. 1280x1024 usually is okay for most people, but I haven't seen any higher resolution ones before. They may exist, I've just never looked, as I'm a fan of 6:10 widescreen myself.

 

[FAST6191]

HDMI is a popular connection method for all sorts of devices, at the higher levels (4K displays and certain other levels it is considered a bit of a consumer level technology (people instead favouring DVI or displayport).

Concerning connecting multiple things that varies a lot between monitors; some will allow you to swap inputs where others might bundle the DVI and HDMI inputs into one logic board (HDMI and DVI are closely related, enough that I can call HDMI as DVI but with sound and not be too wrong).

As for 4:3 monitors they do still make them, typically they are for low end use (in car entertainment used a lot of them for a while, as did embedded electronics) and very high end use (with price tag to match, http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produ...2090UXI_BK_1_MultiSync_2090UXi_20_LCD.htmlfor example). If you like the aspect ratio though you can still use a lot of newer monitors like that and just have black bars down the outside. Bonus is you can also turn the monitor 90 degrees have a portrait monitor which is great for an awful lot of things.

Also you might instead look for 16:10 monitors if widescreen does not do it for you. Personally I am none too bothered by the 16:9 vs 16:10 thing but many will swear by them, they are probably right to think like that as well.

I am soon to watch the clock tick over to 2am though so I will leave it there for now.

 

[vassildador]

Nevermind, a better answer was provided by FAST6191 just before mine

 

[jonthedit]

HDMI for PCs have limitations. (specifically limitations with CryNet software and Sony software)

 

[osirisjem]

I have a Asus PB238Q in Portrait mode as the second monitor already (it's in Portrait orientation).
I see it has : HDMI, DisplayPort, DVI, D-sub and four USB 2.0 ports.
Dual 2-watt speakers


Is D-sub the same as VGA (in terms of LCD monitors) ?

 

[trumpet-205]

The same.

HDMI is a popular connection method for all sorts of devices, at the higher levels (4K displays and certain other levels it is considered a bit of a consumer level technology (people instead favouring DVI or displayport).

HDMI is heavily tuned for home theater application. While it is perfectly fine for desktop PC use, DisplayPort has an edge over it (at least till Nvidia and AMD starts to implement HDMI 2.0 on new GPU offering).

 

[tbgtbg]

tbgtbg - do you use HDMI ?

HDMI would be to connect my camcorder ? HD TV receiver ?

I guess this setup has room for a 16:9 monitor.
I think I'll go for that. Sounds like HDMI would be useful to me.

thanks tbgtbg.

tbgtbg - If I have a monitor connected to a PC ... and the PC is on. If I plug something into the HDMI .. will I be able to view it without disconnecting the monitor ?

Sounds like you don't know what HDMI is (no big deal, everyone had to learn sometime), it's just a way to connect a device to your monitor. Same as VGA used to be a way or composite cables to a TV. If you don't know what it is, my warning about that monitor is probably not needed as your computer must use something else.

That's another thing - no 4:3 monitor supports HDMI since HDMI uses 720p, 1080p, 2160p and 4K (although the latter two aren't used much today, they will be used more prominently in the future), none of which are 4:3. If you have any desire whatsoever to connect anything other than a PC to that monitor, expect problems... so yeah, going for a widescreen does seem like the superior option.

HDMI can support all sorts of resolutions, including some that support 4:3, such as 480i/p, 1024x768, etc. The 16:9 ones you list are the ones you're most likely to encounter in devices intended to hook up to TV's, but if you connect a PC via HDMI, you can have many more options for resolution. Oddly enough, the 360 also has a whole bunch of "nonstandard" options (you may have to disable "Display Discovery" in the 360 settings to see these) a few of which are 4:3 capable.

 

[Foxi4]

HDMI can support all sorts of resolutions, including some that support 4:3, such as 480i/p, 1024x768, etc. The 16:9 ones you list are the ones you're most likely to encounter in devices intended to hook up to TV's, but if you connect a PC via HDMI, you can have many more options for resolution. Oddly enough, the 360 also has a whole bunch of "nonstandard" options (you may have to disable "Display Discovery" in the 360 settings to see these) a few of which are 4:3 capable.

Odd, I was convinced that's not the case. Upon reading a bit more about the standard, there's indeed no "minimum", only a "maximum" resolution. So yes, you can, but the standard aspect ratio is 16:9 and if you set it to 4:3, you might encounter performance drops, unwanted pillarboxing, the relevant parts of the image might end up being cut off etc. But yes, you're entirely correct, when connecting a PC, you can use different resolutions.

 

[weatMod]

The same.



HDMI is heavily tuned for home theater application. While it is perfectly fine for desktop PC use, DisplayPort has an edge over it (at least till Nvidia and AMD starts to implement HDMI 2.0 on new GPU offering).

mean actually i was really surprised we have not seen more thunderbolt2 devices yet, i thought that the 4k tvs ,and and ps4 would have had them ,but they dont , i like the smaller display port type connector an the thiner cables , HDMI cables can be stiff and cumbersome
so how far will HDMI be able to go? will it support all future 4k standards? and will we see a wider roll out of thunderbolt soon

 

[trumpet-205]

mean actually i was really surprised we have not seen more thunderbolt2 devices yet, i thought that the 4k tvs ,and and ps4 would have had them ,but they dont , i like the smaller display port type connector an the thiner cables , HDMI cables can be stiff and cumbersome
so how far will HDMI be able to go? will it support all future 4k standards? and will we see a wider roll out of thunderbolt soon

Thunderbolt is different. It is basically PCI Express over MIni DisplayPort with the ability to daisy chain. You definitely are not going to see Thunderbolt on PS4. Some 4K TVs have DisplayPort input but not Thunderbolt. Overall Thunderbolt won't reach widespread adoption unless Intel open its specification up and standardize a way to allow Thunderbolt controller and dGPU interact. Even then you are only going to see it on device that needs to be connected to PC.

HDMI cable length wise it depends on the cable quality. High quality one are okay for about 100 ft before HDMI repeater is needed.

4K wise HDMI 1.4 supports 4096 x 2160 up to 30 fps. HDMI 2.0 adds more bandwidth, bumping it up to 60 fps.

 

[Originality]

Does the cable quality affect HDMI 2.0 compatibility?

 

[Foxi4]

Does the cable quality affect HDMI 2.0 compatibility?

That depends on what you want it to do.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HDMI#Cables

To reap the full benefits of HDMI 2.0, you will require a cable with enough throughput. Not all HDMI cables support 4K etc. and those that do may support it at 30 or 60 FPS. If you want to fool around with 4K, you'd probably be interested in a High-Speed one - read the back of the package for more information.

 

[trumpet-205]

Put it this way.

All HDMI cables are the same in terms of number of pins. There is no extra pin in high speed HDMI cable or cable certified for 4K. This isn't like DVI single vs dual link.

All HDMI cables are supposed to be tested beforehand to see how well it does. Cable quality does matter as it influences the throughput. You need higher bandwidth to support higher resolution, frame rate, or extra features.