Hacking Why add anti-piracy measures to Devolution ?

[air2004]

Why hasn't it be cracked yet , is it out of respect , or it can't be done ?

 

[Rydian]

Why hasn't it be cracked yet , is it out of respect , or it can't be done ?

People have done it, it's been stated and vouched for in the thread a few times. The two reasons I can remember are "Respect" and "if you want it then you crack it yourself too".

 

[the_randomizer]

This thread is still open!?

 

[Rydian]

I'd prefer one large thread to multiple small ones.

EDIT: Well, in a case like this where there's no real progress to speak of and it's just a discussion.

 

[air2004]

This thread is still open!?

I can't believe it either , but I like it ...this is like my baby now

People have done it, it's been stated and vouched for in the thread a few times. The two reasons I can remember are "Respect" and "if you want it then you crack it yourself too".

Do you know who has done this ? and would they be willing to share it with me ? I promise to tell anyone if said information is shared with me , that's a promise .
( The only time I check in here is when I see it my updates , so I don't who claims to have cracked it , nor do I feel like looking lol )
Can this be run on the WiiU ? I have packed my wii away ( I could pull it out if need be though )

 

[the_randomizer]

Yes, Devolution can be run on the Wii U (vWii mode) but it's a bit trickier to set up

 

[air2004]

Yes, Devolution can be run on the Wii U (vWii mode) but it's a bit trickier to set up

please tell me more ( cough , pm instructions , cough ) about the cracked way if you know

 

[Rydian]

I can't believe it either , but I like it ...this is like my baby now


Do you know who has done this ? and would they be willing to share it with me ? I promise to tell anyone if said information is shared with me , that's a promise .
( The only time I check in here is when I see it my updates , so I don't who claims to have cracked it , nor do I feel like looking lol )
Can this be run on the WiiU ? I have packed my wii away ( I could pull it out if need be though )

I don't remember who exactly (if you want it that bad, read the thread), and nobody seemed willing to share at all.

 

[Lumstar]

And I'll repeat what I said a while ago - Nintendo intentionally removed the 480p feature from all PAL GC games. It was also removed from the console itself, however that's less important here, the important thing to note is that ALL PAL GC games, every one of them, was intentionally crippled by Nintendo. There are a lot of PAL users, and we all own PAL version games, and if we want to play the NTSC versions then that may make us "pirates" according to some people's definition, however it doesn't make us "freeloaders". As you know, we also faced the same issue with the VC not supporting 60Hz.

It probably isn't important to you, as your GC games (if you have any) would likely be in the correct format for 480p. But it's certainly important to me, and other PAL users who would obviously rather play in 480p than 480i.

Not quite, that happened later. PAL GC launched with the digital AV output.
And it wasn't "all" games either. Many NTSC GC games lack 480p. Including Nintendo published releases, like Wario Ware.

 

[air2004]

I don't remember who exactly (if you want it that bad, read the thread), and nobody seemed willing to share at all.

If they are unwilling to share I must call BS on their claims of exploit.
To anyone who has claimed to have done this , share this info with me and allow me to confirm it .
My confirmation will be a simple , so and so has told the truth .
I will not share the info , I promise , and after I confirm its legit , then you can lock or delete this thread .
Personally I could careless about this exploit , ( I always thought the game cube was crap . From graphics to the controller , it had nothing on the PS or xbox )
I created this thread originally because I knew others here were looking forward to it.

 

[BlackWizzard17]

If they are unwilling to share I must call BS on their claims of exploit.
To anyone who has claimed to have done this , share this info with me and allow me to confirm it .
My confirmation will be a simple , so and so has told the truth .
I will not share the info , I promise , and after I confirm its legit , then you can lock or delete this thread .
Personally I could careless about this exploit , ( I always thought the game cube was crap . From graphics to the controller , it had nothing on the PS or xbox )
I created this thread originally because I knew others here were looking forward to it.

Whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa I call BS on this crack to because people would usually releas it the minute they got something BUT I will not stand by and let you talk about the GCN. It is not crap (okay had little bit of games and low on disc space) but it had better graphics than a ps2 (not a graphics guy but just Puting that out there) plus it had some great third party games out there and some first party ones to and the controller was not as bad. It at least had 4 controller slots.
Well GameCube not half bad but I guess we'll have to see what dios mios improves on.

 

[air2004]

Whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa I call BS on this crack to because people would usually releas it the minute they got something BUT I will not stand by and let you talk about the GCN. It is not crap (okay had little bit of games and low on disc space) but it had better graphics than a ps2 (not a graphics guy but just Puting that out there) plus it had some great third party games out there and some first party ones to and the controller was not as bad. It at least had 4 controller slots.
Well GameCube not half bad but I guess we'll have to see what dios mios improves on.

Some people can keep a secret . As for the game cube graphics , I really hope your joking , because they looked like shit compared to the ps and definitely the ps2 . The controller setup was uncomfortable and the lay out was stupid .

 

[Arm73]

Some people can keep a secret . As for the game cube graphics , I really hope your joking , because they looked like shit compared to the ps and definitely the ps2 . The controller setup was uncomfortable and the lay out was stupid .

I really hope you are joking.
The GC had slightly better graphics then the PS2 and slight worse then the xbox, because it came out a little bit later and it was 4x the size of a GC lol.
But yeah, check your facts, see how RE4 or Code Veronica or Spider Man or even Time Splitters fared compared to the slightly less powerful PS2.
Let alone first party Nintendo games like Mario Sunshine or Zelda TP or the recently remastered Zelda WW.
And really , comparing a GC to a previous generation PSX and saying that the PSX was better ?
Are you onto drugs,trolling or weren't you even born during the PSX/N64/DC era ?
And regarding the controller, it is regarded by many as the most comfortable controller EVER, I can understand if you are used to a DS, but still , blindly shooting random stupidity doesn't do you any favor buddy.

You are probably just trolling anyway.

 

[grossaffe]

Some people can keep a secret . As for the game cube graphics , I really hope your joking , because they looked like shit compared to the ps and definitely the ps2 . The controller setup was uncomfortable and the lay out was stupid .

You don't know what you're talking about if you think the PS2's graphics were better than the gamecube's, and you're out of your goddamned mind if you think the PS1 had better graphics than the Gamecube.

 

[the_randomizer]

Some people can keep a secret . As for the game cube graphics , I really hope your joking , because they looked like shit compared to the ps and definitely the ps2 . The controller setup was uncomfortable and the lay out was stupid .

Oh dear, I hope you're joking. The PSX was limited to 320 x 240, the GCN had bilinear, trilinear, anisotropic filtering, mipmap, bump map, environment mapping, anti-aliasing (which the PS2 does not have), S3TC texture compression, z-buffering, 24-bit color ARGB and so on. The Gamecube was on par with the Xbox in many respects in terms of raw power. Rare even wrote their own vertex shaders for Star Fox Adventures, something only the Xbox was supposed to do. The GPU and CPU were very potent for the time. Soul Calibur 2 had a better framerate on Gamecube, so did 007 Nightfire, Time Splitters 2, Resident Evil 4, etc. Ever seen Rogue Squadron 2? Yeah, Factor 5 pushed 20,000,000 polygons per second with full lighting and shadows at 60 fps.

The very idea that the PS2 or the PSX had better graphics is laughable. I'd be more than happy to make a thread about comparing the two, but we both know the Gamecube would come out on top, so it'd only be a waste of time.

 

[edwardbirkholz05]

The GC GPU doesn't support "custom microcode" so not sure what the_randomizer is on about there.

Regardless the Wii and Gamecube graphics hardware is identical. The wii runs slightly quicker so it can handle a few more polys, but apart from that they have the same capabilities so claiming the PSX looks better is obviously stupid.

 

[Rydian]

Whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa I call BS on this crack to because people would usually releas it the minute they got something

If they are unwilling to share I must call BS on their claims of exploit.

This attitude right here is part of the problem. Nobody is obligated to do anything for you, and shit-talking them because they won't do stuff for you is fucking rude. All the end users assuming that people WILL do work FOR THEM because they HAVE TO or something like that is what's pissing all the devs off lately (see the logs and interviews with WiiU and 3DS hackers that are stickied in the various sections and have even been front-paged).

Multiple prominent members of the Wii hacking community have talked through IRC and verified the claims (some even posting IN THIS THREAD). If you want to see the claims and verfication, then read this thread.

I mean if you can't even put forth that much effort...

 

[edwardbirkholz05]

I've read through the whole thread and I don't see any verifications.

 

[the_randomizer]

The GC GPU doesn't support "custom microcode" so not sure what the_randomizer is on about there.

Regardless the Wii and Gamecube graphics hardware is identical. The wii runs slightly quicker so it can handle a few more polys, but apart from that they have the same capabilities so claiming the PSX looks better is obviously stupid.

Fixed last post Nevertheless, Rare did some crazy things for that game with the fuzz effects on Fox's tail, etc Oh, and it would seem air2004 is getting a little uppity wouldn't you say? People should try to use DML instead since it neither has DRM and is easier to use.

 

[Rydian]

I've read through the whole thread and I don't see any verifications.

Unless people edited their posts, I have, in the life of this thread, seen multiple claims that it's true (one or two echos from IRC), and even more than one discussion on the obfuscation, including theories on how the .dvv files are created versus timestamps, and one person even talking about the ARM assembly and how it's obfuscated to the point that they can't figure it out easily along with either a screenshot or a text copy of a chunk of it (and I think an echo'd note from the dev about how it's specifically crafted to not run in Dolphin so people couldn't just use the debugging and memory reading tools in it to grab the important parts).

The exact order of those events of course is not as I put them, because this thread is 70+ pages and a year old. I'm not willing to dig through them very far (but that's because I don't care enough to as nobody posted exact info on how it was cracked).