brawl or melee?

[ShadowSoldier]

Brawl is just a better game that's more fun. I played Melee for like 5 hours straight last weekend (because my friend's copy of Brawl was broken) and I was like "Wow, I really miss Brawl."

I'm not some hipster who thinks that only the older games are better or some idiot who thinks Super Smash Bros. is a highly competitive and balanced fighting game.

It's more fast paced, and still having the controls being able to respond when pressing buttons that fast, makes for a better game IMO. Brawl is good, the only things I hate about it are the insanely long load times, the single player, Final Smash's, and the pace, it's waaaay too slow for my liking. When I jump with Link (my main), I don't like to float in the air for a little bit in Brawl. Also, just for liking older games, doesn't make anyone a hipster lol. That word gets thrown around too much it's lost all meaning.

 

[Guild McCommunist]

It's more fast paced, and still having the controls being able to respond when pressing buttons that fast, makes for a better game IMO. Brawl is good, the only things I hate about it are the insanely long load times, the single player, Final Smash's, and the pace, it's waaaay too slow for my liking. When I jump with Link (my main), I don't like to float in the air for a little bit in Brawl. Also, just for liking older games, doesn't make anyone a hipster lol. That word gets thrown around too much it's lost all meaning.

Okay, a few of your complaints:

1. Speed: I never found anything wrong with Brawl's speed. And the buttons are just as responsive.
2. Long load times: Which I don't remember. In fact I remember playing Melee and not being too fond of some of the loads in there.
3. The single player: Because Melee had such excellent single player? At least this one was actually fun, playing like a multiplayer platformer beat 'em up. People just cry about "IT DIDN'T USE NINTENDO CHARACTERS WELL ENOUGH!" Oh who gives a fuck, it's a crossover fighter. Do you remember playing Marvel vs. Capcom and complaining about how the crossover wasn't explained well?
4. Final Smashes: Considering tons of real fighters have been using the same mechanic, why is it hated in Brawl? If you don't like it, turn it off.

Also, as I said before, I meant that some people will say an older game is better than a newer version of it because it's "older". There are instances when an older version of a game is better than its sequel, but people try to think that's the case far too often to be "retro". It's an obnoxious trend you notice when you see enough "gaming hipsters". Someone I knew was like that and would try saying the same thing.

 

[Minox]

I'm not some hipster who thinks that only the older games are better or some idiot who thinks Super Smash Bros. is a highly competitive and balanced fighting game.

So just because something is older means that you can't like it more than newer games in the series? That's news to me.

I'm saying there's people who like older games purely because they're older even when newer ones are far superior.

Right, so indeed there may be people like that out there, but I do have to ask - did you just insult everyone who likes Melee more than Brawl just for that? Personally I can say that I prefer Melee to Brawl because I find it to be a more fun game, does that make me retarded?

Opinions are nice, but please leave the insults out of it thanks.

 

[Guild McCommunist]

Right, so indeed there may be people like that out there, but I do have to ask - did you just insult everyone who likes Melee more than Brawl just for that? Personally I can say that I prefer Melee to Brawl because I find it to be a more fun game, so does that make me retarded?

Opinions are nice, but please leave the insults out of it thanks.

I just don't see why people like Melee more than Brawl when Brawl practically plays the same, minus some additions (note, additions, not subtractions) and has better graphics, more characters, more stages, and generally just more stuff.

 

[ShadowSoldier]

It's more fast paced, and still having the controls being able to respond when pressing buttons that fast, makes for a better game IMO. Brawl is good, the only things I hate about it are the insanely long load times, the single player, Final Smash's, and the pace, it's waaaay too slow for my liking. When I jump with Link (my main), I don't like to float in the air for a little bit in Brawl. Also, just for liking older games, doesn't make anyone a hipster lol. That word gets thrown around too much it's lost all meaning.

Okay, a few of your complaints:

1. Speed: I never found anything wrong with Brawl's speed. And the buttons are just as responsive.
2. Long load times: Which I don't remember. In fact I remember playing Melee and not being too fond of some of the loads in there.
3. The single player: Because Melee had such excellent single player? At least this one was actually fun, playing like a multiplayer platformer beat 'em up. People just cry about "IT DIDN'T USE NINTENDO CHARACTERS WELL ENOUGH!" Oh who gives a fuck, it's a crossover fighter. Do you remember playing Marvel vs. Capcom and complaining about how the crossover wasn't explained well?
4. Final Smashes: Considering tons of real fighters have been using the same mechanic, why is it hated in Brawl? If you don't like it, turn it off.

Also, as I said before, I meant that some people will say an older game is better than a newer version of it because it's "older". There are instances when an older version of a game is better than its sequel, but people try to think that's the case far too often to be "retro". It's an obnoxious trend you notice when you see enough "gaming hipsters". Someone I knew was like that and would try saying the same thing.

Nah, I don't like it because it's retro lol.

You may have never found anything wrong with Brawl's speed, but there is a decrease in it compared to Melee. Me and my friend spent about a month straight playing Melee again, and 100% the game (all trophies and everything else). Like I said, I use Link mostly, and I notice a HUUUUGE difference.

The load times I don't what you're talking about in Melee. Me and my friend would boot the game up and in 10 seconds we'd already be fighting.

I actually preferred the single player in Melee. It was simple, short, but still very challenging and fun. I will admit I can see why people would say Brawl's single player is better, but for me, it was a huge disappointment and something I can't see me playing through again.

 

[Guild McCommunist]

i dont really enjoy smash bros much because i get confused which character is mine but i will go with brawl since it has more characters to choose from. and if you dont like playing with the wiimote, you can always plug a GC controller and play like melee

To be honest it's like physically impossible to play with a Wiimote. I tried it once and ended up throwing my lives away by falling down pits.

I can't play any SSB game without a Gamecube controller anymore.

 

[iluvfupaburgers]

i dont really enjoy smash bros much because i get confused which character is mine but i will go with brawl since it has more characters to choose from. and if you dont like playing with the wiimote, you can always plug a GC controller and play like melee

 

[gamefan5]

I prefer melee for it's fast-paced evironnement and use of techniques. (wavedash, SHFFL, L-canceling, XD etc)
However I can see why Sakurai removed some of the techniques in brawl because those who are experts usually owns people that aren't.

Then again, I love brawl, mainly because of it's hacking community. XD (And Project M).

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[The Catboy]

Guild, I don't see why you have be an ass to everyone who is a Melee fan.
Brawl is a great game, but not everyone has to enjoy it.
Personally I felt the game had long ass load times, repetitive music, and felt rushed. It's not bad and I enjoy playing it, but honestly I enjoy Melee more. Me enjoying Melee more has nothing to do with the age.

 

[Guild McCommunist]

Guild, I don't see why you have be an ass to everyone who is a Melee fan.
Brawl is a great game, but not everyone has to enjoy it.
Personally I felt the game had long ass load times, repetitive music, and felt rushed. It's not bad and I enjoy playing it, but honestly I enjoy Melee more. Me enjoying Melee more has nothing to do with the age.

Dude, the Brawl soundtrack is literally like 300+ songs. How is that repetitive?

I'm just annoyed at people who over criticize Brawl and think it somehow marred the franchise when it brought so much more to the table than Melee. Yeah, it flubbed in a lot of ways, but some things I don't even attribute to the game. Poor online was because of a system with poor online. The level editor was still effective and if you brought anything super complicated then it would end up being an inaccessible mess.

 

[The Catboy]

Guild, I don't see why you have be an ass to everyone who is a Melee fan.
Brawl is a great game, but not everyone has to enjoy it.
Personally I felt the game had long ass load times, repetitive music, and felt rushed. It's not bad and I enjoy playing it, but honestly I enjoy Melee more. Me enjoying Melee more has nothing to do with the age.

Dude, the Brawl soundtrack is literally like 300+ songs. How is that repetitive?

I'm just annoyed at people who over criticize Brawl and think it somehow marred the franchise when it brought so much more to the table than Melee. Yeah, it flubbed in a lot of ways, but some things I don't even attribute to the game. Poor online was because of a system with poor online. The level editor was still effective and if you brought anything super complicated then it would end up being an inaccessible mess.

Most of the time they play the same intro song in the background. After the 10th time listening to that song, it gets old really fast.
It still does give you the right to call everyone who is a Melee fan a retard.

 

[Deltaechoe]

Melee, mainly cuz wave dashing (and shining if I was playing fox) was fun. Hooray for broken characters and the resulting tournament winnings

 

[Mazor]

I just don't see why people like Melee more than Brawl when Brawl practically plays the same, minus some additions (note, additions, not subtractions) and has better graphics, more characters, more stages, and generally just more stuff.

Brawl single player rapes Melee single player, why people argue against that I don't know. It's also cool to have better graphics, more stages and more side content all of which Brawl offers.

But when it comes to comparing the actual gameplay, the actual fighting, the significant mechanic differences are that Brawl adds tripping while removing hitstun, controlled air dodge, lag canceling, wavedashing, dash dancing and a lot more stuff that added depth to Melee. Of course these things aren't all individually relevant for the average player, but it all adds up to what many consider an inferior experience as evident by Melee still being the most popular game in the series. Brawl also brings balancing issues far worse than those seen in Melee, making tiers relevant not only for tourney[censored]s but also for beginner players (case in point is that Shiek can combo Fox from 0% to 100% guaranteed by spamming the same forward A attack as long as she gets the first hit in and the numerous infinite chaingrabs that are only limited by stage size and sometimes not even that).

Also, we had this discussion before.

 

[machomuu]

I just don't see why people like Melee more than Brawl when Brawl practically plays the same, minus some additions (note, additions, not subtractions) and has better graphics, more characters, more stages, and generally just more stuff.

Brawl single player rapes Melee single player, why people argue against that I don't know. It's also cool to have better graphics, more stages and more side content all of which Brawl offers.

I strongly disagree, Melee had the much stronger and (imo) much more enjoyable Mission Modes. It also had Adventure mode, which was always fun (though the Subspace was good, too; and the effort they put into it was astounding). However, I like both games equally, for different reasons.

 

[AkiroWolfman]

I prefer Brawl overall. However in saying that there is nothing bad about Melee in the least (except all the clones like Pichu and Doctor Mario, smartest thing they did was take them out). Brawl I prefer because of the large cast. Story Mode etc it just seemed better.

On a personal note Kirby was more powerful in Brawl, I liked that.

 

[Mazor]

I just don't see why people like Melee more than Brawl when Brawl practically plays the same, minus some additions (note, additions, not subtractions) and has better graphics, more characters, more stages, and generally just more stuff.

Brawl single player rapes Melee single player, why people argue against that I don't know. It's also cool to have better graphics, more stages and more side content all of which Brawl offers.

I strongly disagree, Melee had the much stronger and (imo) much more enjoyable Mission Modes. It also had Adventure mode, which was always fun (though the Subspace was good, too; and the effort they put into it was astounding). However, I like both games equally, for different reasons.

For the event matches I can at least maybe see where you are coming from, but adventure mode? That shit is so vastly inferior to Brawl's SSE that it's ridiculous. The reality of the matter is that zero thought was put into Melee's single player whereas a lot was put into Brawl's. I'm not saying this as a Brawl fanboy, but as someone who has a great preference for Melee over Brawl.

Edit: Quoted.

 

[Yumi]

-chips in-

I'd pick neither. 64 Smash bros. actually has more SMASH then the later ones.

but...if i had to pick either one, it'd be Brawl. The characters pace is almost becoming real live pacing(slowish) and so is..the "smash". Has lot of neat characters that many love and/or hate. I wish they could have just added Daisy. Why not??? ;/
Adventure mode..i mean Space Mode Zero something was boring! Though the clips were nice. I think Melee adventure mode was much much more fun. You were in different worlds of each Nintendo characters. They should have kept that instead.
The specials were lame. Except for Luigis. I dont understand Foxes or Wolfs...they are just big tanks that fall off the screen.
Items were OK.
Mission mode was alright.
Graphics were cool.
Stages were neat.
I think i am forgetting stuff...if they're forgettable then..it has done its job.
Most of that is negative but why did i choose brawl??
Because of the music!
You can choose what music will be playing in the background which made the game for me very enjoyable besides the fact of all the flaws i think are flaws.

Yep.

 

[Guild McCommunist]

I'd pick neither. 64 Smash bros. actually has more SMASH then the later ones.

I'd try playing the original SSB in mid-March (I remember playing it with some friends at my birthday party) and that game seriously sucks ass. It was great when it came out but Melee just completely punched it in the groin and Brawl even more so.

It has the worst balance of any game in the series, it's incredibly slow, the roster is incredibly limited, and there's not even like side-B attacks for Christ's sake. It's unbearable to play it in retrospect when there's Melee and Brawl to choose from.

 

[Tsuteto]

Scanned a lot, haven't read in depth, but I really have to agree with a lot of Guild's points. Brawl was simply improved to be better in terms of gameplay than melee, and really made it actually fun. Melee got boring after awhile, but you can always enjoy Brawl. The point that I know Guild wouldn't agree with is the competitiveness wasn't up there. Yes, because it wasn't as fastpaced, and it doesn't combo as well. But that really doesn't bother me at all, and I rank about the same in either Melee or Brawl at competitions.

That, and I think Brawl is just better because it's fun to just kick someone in the face with Zelda Or annoy the crap out of them with Din's Fire. You know, confusing them with Farore's Wind is nice too ^^

 

[triassic911]

Right, so indeed there may be people like that out there, but I do have to ask - did you just insult everyone who likes Melee more than Brawl just for that? Personally I can say that I prefer Melee to Brawl because I find it to be a more fun game, so does that make me retarded?

Opinions are nice, but please leave the insults out of it thanks.

I just don't see why people like Melee more than Brawl when Brawl practically plays the same, minus some additions (note, additions, not subtractions) and has better graphics, more characters, more stages, and generally just more stuff.

The reason people like Melee than Brawl is because the core of the game (fighting) is there, and it's balanced. Try doing any of these things in Brawl:


To this day, there are tourneys out there that use Melee, and NOT Brawl. Brawl is fun, but it was dumbed down. It was made much easier. The thing that disappointed people the most was the fighting. It was no longer balanced (Metaknight!!!), and some techniques from Melee were rendered useless. The series went from a game where someone with more skill can triumph over someone with lesser skill to a game where you can jump around, hit A(b) and hope for the best. Also, more things does not make a better game. As an example, look at Counter-Strike & Call of Duty. You really shouldn't push your opinion as fact (& insult others who disagree). It reveals your true colors. You may enjoy Brawl for being pretty, but many others enjoy Melee because of the fighting/core mechanics.