US presidential election

[notmeanymore]

1. Republican Logic 471 up, 72 down
A type of logic that the Republican mind subscribes to. Basically Republican logic tells Republicans that only the rich white male Christian God is the only true God and that everything else is false religion. Republican logic sees no problem with blood soaked oil wars, tax breaks for the rich at the expense of the rest of the country, the gutting of social programs, the destruction of the Bill of Rights, and to make life as miserable as possible for non-Republicans. This sort of logic makes no sense to the rest of the world.
Republican logic is the logic of goose stepping, brown shirt and jack boot wearing thugs.


From Urban Dictionary.

Because all Republicans are like that. Of course.

My God is my God, I don't force others to my religion, I try to lead them there. (Though I haven't done a very good job as of late.)
Oil wars are not proper, and I am in favor of domestic oil, regardless of it "ruining the views" from our beaches or whatever crap logic rich folk have.
Tax breaks should be universal, not just for one class/race of people.
Social programs are not and should not be the federal government's domain.
The Bill of Rights is a necessary part of our Constitution.

 

[TLSS_N]

Inflation = Gas Prices.

If you honestly believe that inflation is the cause of rising gas prices, then you know neither about inflation nor gas prices. I don't even know how to touch that comment except to say that gas prices rise and fall drastically due to the market, what's going on overseas, etc.

Fun fact, before both sides negotiated a ballanced budget for 4 consecutive years under clintons administration, the last president to pass a ballanced budget besised clinton was this guy: *snip*

As I've already mentioned, the policies that largely accounted for the surplus were not bipartisan and passed by Clinton and the Democrats in his first year in office. The Republicans were very much against what caused our surplus (higher taxes on the rich), and the very same thing is happening today.

Ik! I'm just saying. That's what it looks like he's doing to me. Now i know you and Lacius have your minds set on Obama and I can't change that, and I have my mind set on anyone but Obama or Paul. So I'll keep arguing over these political issues, but I wont change my mind.

Well, here are the facts. Obama does not have some magic switch he uses to raise and lower gas prices. Gas prices are a highly variable thing that depend on the gas market, what's going on overseas, etc. If you read any of the reports, you would know that everyone agrees that what's going on in Iran right now is the large contributor to the increases we're seeing in gas prices here. Your idea that Obama is raising gas prices so he can lower them right before the election is baseless and makes no sense. Higher gas prices equal lower poll numbers. Likewise, the evidence shows both that Obama cannot control gas prices in the ways in which you believe, and the higher gas prices we see today are mostly due to the state of things in Iran. If you're going to argue anything different, on gas prices or anything else we've talked about thus far, please provide at least one piece of credible evidence. Looking at the state of things in this thread discussion, Obama appears to win fiscal issues hands-down. I wouldn't be able to look at this thread objectively and think otherwise.

If you feel that way, then so be it. I've looked at it, and that's the way it seems to me. I was just pointing out that, it's pretty rate to have a budget under control for a long time now.

Obama has the budget
Under control?

I was talking about when clinton was president, not obama.

@Lacius Don't just blame it on one side, remember who's had the power in congress the last 50 years? It was not republicans, it was democrats. Why can't everyone own up and say "hell, he's right for once, maybe we did go a little power crazy and spend just a little too much." How hard would that be? Small "and large" buisness has always been the scapegoat, ever since the great depression, how has this worked out I wonder? Same effect...

@[member='ThatDudeWithTheFood'], nice, very very nice. It should be common knowledge that, just like the split between democrats is as obvious by todays standard, it should work just the same for republicans, Big government repubicans like mitt romney, and small government republicans like ron paul. Thing is, the process isn't perfect and it never will be people will smear and that's just how the train rolls on down the track.

 

[ThatDudeWithTheFood]

1. Republican Logic 471 up, 72 down
A type of logic that the Republican mind subscribes to. Basically Republican logic tells Republicans that only the rich white male Christian God is the only true God and that everything else is false religion. Republican logic sees no problem with blood soaked oil wars, tax breaks for the rich at the expense of the rest of the country, the gutting of social programs, the destruction of the Bill of Rights, and to make life as miserable as possible for non-Republicans. This sort of logic makes no sense to the rest of the world.
Republican logic is the logic of goose stepping, brown shirt and jack boot wearing thugs.


From Urban Dictionary.

Because all Republicans are like that. Of course.

My God is my God, I don't force others to my religion, I try to lead them there. (Though I haven't done a very good job as of late.)
Oil wars are not proper, and I am in favor of domestic oil, regardless of it "ruining the views" from our beaches or whatever crap logic rich folk have.
Tax breaks should be universal, not just for one class/race of people.
Social programs are not and should not be the federal government's domain.
The Bill of Rights is a necessary part of our Constitution.

I wanted to point out that this just applies to the Republican canidates I feel like.

 

[notmeanymore]

1. Republican Logic 471 up, 72 down
A type of logic that the Republican mind subscribes to. Basically Republican logic tells Republicans that only the rich white male Christian God is the only true God and that everything else is false religion. Republican logic sees no problem with blood soaked oil wars, tax breaks for the rich at the expense of the rest of the country, the gutting of social programs, the destruction of the Bill of Rights, and to make life as miserable as possible for non-Republicans. This sort of logic makes no sense to the rest of the world.
Republican logic is the logic of goose stepping, brown shirt and jack boot wearing thugs.


From Urban Dictionary.

Because all Republicans are like that. Of course.

My God is my God, I don't force others to my religion, I try to lead them there. (Though I haven't done a very good job as of late.)
Oil wars are not proper, and I am in favor of domestic oil, regardless of it "ruining the views" from our beaches or whatever crap logic rich folk have.
Tax breaks should be universal, not just for one class/race of people.
Social programs are not and should not be the federal government's domain.
The Bill of Rights is a necessary part of our Constitution.

I wanted to point out that this just applies to the Republican canidates I feel like.

And those are?

 

[Lacius]

Obama has the budget
Under control?

Under control? No. However, Obama's proposed budget slashes away at the deficit by allowing tax breaks for the rich to go away, among other things (trimming waste, etc). "Under control" would imply there not being a deficit at all. Unfortunately, both the debt and the deficit are massive, and that's going to take some time. Likewise, the US economy is still fragile, and history has shown us that shifting focus to deficit-reduction as opposed to stimulus spending can have negative consequences on the economy. So in summary, no, the debt problem is not yet under control, but the Obama budget is the only one that offers any real solutions that are projected to eventually get us to a place where they are under control. All of the major Republican candidates' budgets make the debt worse with more tax benefits for the rich.

My God is my God, I don't force others to my religion, I try to lead them there. (Though I haven't done a very good job as of late.)
Oil wars are not proper, and I am in favor of domestic oil, regardless of it "ruining the views" from our beaches or whatever crap logic rich folk have.
Tax breaks should be universal, not just for one class/race of people.
Social programs are not and should not be the federal government's domain.
The Bill of Rights is a necessary part of our Constitution.

I understand that not all people who identify as Republican are like that. However, as far as the Republican track record goes, the above summary of Republicans in office is now very accurate, especially with the candidates for President. The Republicans in office have moved very far to the right; arguably, there are no moderate Republicans left. I agree that domestic oil is better than foreign oil, but you have to admit that there are numerous environmental issues involved with oil-drilling, and considering the fact that oil is not a renewable resource, investment in alternative forms of energy that are both renewable and better for the environment is logical. As for taxes, they should be fair for everyone. This is why the Obama budget proposes keeping the Bush tax cuts for the lower and middle classes but letting the tax cuts expire for the rich. I disagree with you about the role of the federal government in social programs. Are you arguing that things like social security and medicare should be destroyed?

And I don't think anyone is arguing against the Bill of Rights.

Edit:

@Lacius Don't just blame it on one side, remember who's had the power in congress the last 50 years? It was not republicans, it was democrats. Why can't everyone own up and say "hell, he's right for once, maybe we did go a little power crazy and spend just a little too much." How hard would that be? Small "and large" business has always been the scapegoat, ever since the great depression, how has this worked out I wonder? Same effect...

I'm not exactly sure what you're getting at. I've noted the facts about the Democrats' effect on the economy and the debt, and the Republicans' effect on the economy and the debt in recent times, and the facts are quite clear.

Because I've said this numerous times already, I'll keep this short. After Clinton, we were on the road to erasing our debt completely. Bush enacted major tax cuts, increased military spending (Iraq, Afghanistan), and all without paying for any of it. These things are the largest contributors to the deficit even today. Obama's increased spending is minimal in comparison, and it was mostly economic recovery. It is quite obvious that the blame falls on the Republicans, and the Republican presidential candidates don't appear very eager to redeem themselves, considering that they want to make the debt problem worse.

 

[notmeanymore]

I understand that not all people who identify as Republican are like that. However, as far as the Republican track record goes, the above summary of Republicans in office is now very accurate, especially with the candidates for President. The Republicans in office have moved very far to the right; arguably, there are no moderate Republicans left. I agree that domestic oil is better than foreign oil, but you have to admit that there are numerous environmental issues involved with oil-drilling, and considering the fact that oil is not a renewable resource, investment in alternative forms of energy that are both renewable and better for the environment is logical. As for taxes, they should be fair for everyone. This is why the Obama budget proposes keeping the Bush tax cuts for the lower and middle classes but letting the tax cuts expire for the rich. I disagree with you about the role of the federal government in social programs. Are you arguing that things like social security and medicare should be destroyed?

And I don't think anyone is arguing against the Bill of Rights.

Everything I said just now was a direct response to TDWTF's quote. Alternative energy is great too. Personally, if I could have any car in the world, I'd have the Tesla Roadster, it's sexy and it's electric. Domestic oil is just the lesser of two evils, and as long alternative energy is "alternative" and not "primary" we should worry about how to get oil.
I'm not studied enough in it to talk one way or the other about the economy.

Should social security and medicare be destroyed? No. They shouldn't have been made in the first place, but since they have been created and many Americans rely on them, they need to be reformed.

 

[ThatDudeWithTheFood]

1. Republican Logic 471 up, 72 down
A type of logic that the Republican mind subscribes to. Basically Republican logic tells Republicans that only the rich white male Christian God is the only true God and that everything else is false religion. Republican logic sees no problem with blood soaked oil wars, tax breaks for the rich at the expense of the rest of the country, the gutting of social programs, the destruction of the Bill of Rights, and to make life as miserable as possible for non-Republicans. This sort of logic makes no sense to the rest of the world.
Republican logic is the logic of goose stepping, brown shirt and jack boot wearing thugs.


From Urban Dictionary.

Because all Republicans are like that. Of course.

My God is my God, I don't force others to my religion, I try to lead them there. (Though I haven't done a very good job as of late.)
Oil wars are not proper, and I am in favor of domestic oil, regardless of it "ruining the views" from our beaches or whatever crap logic rich folk have.
Tax breaks should be universal, not just for one class/race of people.
Social programs are not and should not be the federal government's domain.
The Bill of Rights is a necessary part of our Constitution.

I wanted to point out that this just applies to the Republican canidates I feel like.

And those are?

Who else the republican presidential canidates.

 

[TLSS_N]

1. Republican Logic 471 up, 72 down
A type of logic that the Republican mind subscribes to. Basically Republican logic tells Republicans that only the rich white male Christian God is the only true God and that everything else is false religion. Republican logic sees no problem with blood soaked oil wars, tax breaks for the rich at the expense of the rest of the country, the gutting of social programs, the destruction of the Bill of Rights, and to make life as miserable as possible for non-Republicans. This sort of logic makes no sense to the rest of the world.
Republican logic is the logic of goose stepping, brown shirt and jack boot wearing thugs.


From Urban Dictionary.

Because all Republicans are like that. Of course.

My God is my God, I don't force others to my religion, I try to lead them there. (Though I haven't done a very good job as of late.)
Oil wars are not proper, and I am in favor of domestic oil, regardless of it "ruining the views" from our beaches or whatever crap logic rich folk have.
Tax breaks should be universal, not just for one class/race of people.
Social programs are not and should not be the federal government's domain.
The Bill of Rights is a necessary part of our Constitution.

I wanted to point out that this just applies to the Republican canidates I feel like.

If that's how you feel, more power to you. We all have a horse in the race, just have to understand the facts. Of course, we all interperate things differently that's what makes us unique.

Obama has the budget
Under control?

Under control? No. However, Obama's proposed budget slashes away at the deficit by allowing tax breaks for the rich to go away, among other things (trimming waste, etc). "Under control" would imply there not being a deficit at all. Unfortunately, both the debt and the deficit are massive, and that's going to take some time. Likewise, the US economy is still fragile, and history has shown us that shifting focus to deficit-reduction as opposed to stimulus spending can have negative consequences on the economy. So in summary, no, the debt problem is not yet under control, but the Obama budget is the only one that offers any real solutions that are projected to eventually get us to a place where they are under control. All of the major Republican candidates' budgets make the debt worse with more tax benefits for the rich.

My God is my God, I don't force others to my religion, I try to lead them there. (Though I haven't done a very good job as of late.)
Oil wars are not proper, and I am in favor of domestic oil, regardless of it "ruining the views" from our beaches or whatever crap logic rich folk have.
Tax breaks should be universal, not just for one class/race of people.
Social programs are not and should not be the federal government's domain.
The Bill of Rights is a necessary part of our Constitution.

I understand that not all people who identify as Republican are like that. However, as far as the Republican track record goes, the above summary of Republicans in office is now very accurate, especially with the candidates for President. The Republicans in office have moved very far to the right; arguably, there are no moderate Republicans left. I agree that domestic oil is better than foreign oil, but you have to admit that there are numerous environmental issues involved with oil-drilling, and considering the fact that oil is not a renewable resource, investment in alternative forms of energy that are both renewable and better for the environment is logical. As for taxes, they should be fair for everyone. This is why the Obama budget proposes keeping the Bush tax cuts for the lower and middle classes but letting the tax cuts expire for the rich. I disagree with you about the role of the federal government in social programs. Are you arguing that things like social security and medicare should be destroyed?

And I don't think anyone is arguing against the Bill of Rights.

Edit:

@Lacius Don't just blame it on one side, remember who's had the power in congress the last 50 years? It was not republicans, it was democrats. Why can't everyone own up and say "hell, he's right for once, maybe we did go a little power crazy and spend just a little too much." How hard would that be? Small "and large" business has always been the scapegoat, ever since the great depression, how has this worked out I wonder? Same effect...

I'm not exactly sure what you're getting at. I've noted the facts about the Democrats' effect on the economy and the debt, and the Republicans' effect on the economy and the debt in recent times, and the facts are quite clear.

Because I've said this numerous times already, I'll keep this short. After Clinton, we were on the road to erasing our debt completely. Bush enacted major tax cuts, increased military spending (Iraq, Afghanistan), and all without paying for any of it. These things are the largest contributors to the deficit even today. Obama's increased spending is minimal in comparison, and it was mostly economic recovery. It is quite obvious that the blame falls on the Republicans, and the Republican presidential candidates don't appear very eager to redeem themselves, considering that they want to make the debt problem worse.

Let's just say this, we all have inherited a HORRIBLE DEBT, both sides contributed. If we want to get out of it, we have to give up the freebie's, no company should be in contract with the government, if they fail they fail. If we want to save the nation as a whole, no one person should get special benefits, we all need to feel the pain because obviously the road we are on now is headed to a dead end. We are americans, and we can get through this, yes it may suck, but just like the companies who can't afford to pay for the unions, we can't afford to pay for studies of watching a shrimp on a treadmill. Money was wasted, and it no longer can be. We have 211 TRILLION IN DEBT. I think the 3rd graders can go without condoms for a while. IT WILL BE PAINFUL, but there is nothing else we can do.

 

[NeoSupaMario]

I wonder how long it'll be before this topic is pinned?

 

[TLSS_N]

I wonder how long it'll be before this topic is pinned?

not sure, and 500!

 

[Valwin]

Well this Sunday here in the island we will have the Next Republican Primary for 23 delegates.
After looking at what I been offer I decided to go with Romney what won me over was his position on the Colony of Puerto Rico Number 1 issue the Status he say that Puerto Rico becoming a state is very possible and that we won’t need to speak English to be a state also that we Don't need a super majority of the vote to decide to be a state.

in the other part Santorum seem to be really dumb Person because when ask about the island status problem he say that we need to speak English to be a state witch that argument is really dumb seem how in the USA constitution nowhere in it say that ENGLISH is the official language of the USA also he seem to be a damn racist .

 

[NeoSupaMario]

Val wins again!
P.S. There are a few updates to the poll.
Vermin Supreme supporters, you're gonna love the update! Plus you may choose multiple choices for like 2nd and 3rd best.

 

[smile72]

1. Republican Logic 471 up, 72 down
A type of logic that the Republican mind subscribes to. Basically Republican logic tells Republicans that only the rich white male Christian God is the only true God and that everything else is false religion. Republican logic sees no problem with blood soaked oil wars, tax breaks for the rich at the expense of the rest of the country, the gutting of social programs, the destruction of the Bill of Rights, and to make life as miserable as possible for non-Republicans. This sort of logic makes no sense to the rest of the world.
Republican logic is the logic of goose stepping, brown shirt and jack boot wearing thugs.


From Urban Dictionary.

Because all Republicans are like that. Of course.

My God is my God, I don't force others to my religion, I try to lead them there. (Though I haven't done a very good job as of late.)
Oil wars are not proper, and I am in favor of domestic oil, regardless of it "ruining the views" from our beaches or whatever crap logic rich folk have.
Tax breaks should be universal, not just for one class/race of people.
Social programs are not and should not be the federal government's domain.
The Bill of Rights is a necessary part of our Constitution.

I wanted to point out that this just applies to the Republican canidates I feel like.

If that's how you feel, more power to you. We all have a horse in the race, just have to understand the facts. Of course, we all interperate things differently that's what makes us unique.

Obama has the budget
Under control?

Under control? No. However, Obama's proposed budget slashes away at the deficit by allowing tax breaks for the rich to go away, among other things (trimming waste, etc). "Under control" would imply there not being a deficit at all. Unfortunately, both the debt and the deficit are massive, and that's going to take some time. Likewise, the US economy is still fragile, and history has shown us that shifting focus to deficit-reduction as opposed to stimulus spending can have negative consequences on the economy. So in summary, no, the debt problem is not yet under control, but the Obama budget is the only one that offers any real solutions that are projected to eventually get us to a place where they are under control. All of the major Republican candidates' budgets make the debt worse with more tax benefits for the rich.

My God is my God, I don't force others to my religion, I try to lead them there. (Though I haven't done a very good job as of late.)
Oil wars are not proper, and I am in favor of domestic oil, regardless of it "ruining the views" from our beaches or whatever crap logic rich folk have.
Tax breaks should be universal, not just for one class/race of people.
Social programs are not and should not be the federal government's domain.
The Bill of Rights is a necessary part of our Constitution.

I understand that not all people who identify as Republican are like that. However, as far as the Republican track record goes, the above summary of Republicans in office is now very accurate, especially with the candidates for President. The Republicans in office have moved very far to the right; arguably, there are no moderate Republicans left. I agree that domestic oil is better than foreign oil, but you have to admit that there are numerous environmental issues involved with oil-drilling, and considering the fact that oil is not a renewable resource, investment in alternative forms of energy that are both renewable and better for the environment is logical. As for taxes, they should be fair for everyone. This is why the Obama budget proposes keeping the Bush tax cuts for the lower and middle classes but letting the tax cuts expire for the rich. I disagree with you about the role of the federal government in social programs. Are you arguing that things like social security and medicare should be destroyed?

And I don't think anyone is arguing against the Bill of Rights.

Edit:

@Lacius Don't just blame it on one side, remember who's had the power in congress the last 50 years? It was not republicans, it was democrats. Why can't everyone own up and say "hell, he's right for once, maybe we did go a little power crazy and spend just a little too much." How hard would that be? Small "and large" business has always been the scapegoat, ever since the great depression, how has this worked out I wonder? Same effect...

I'm not exactly sure what you're getting at. I've noted the facts about the Democrats' effect on the economy and the debt, and the Republicans' effect on the economy and the debt in recent times, and the facts are quite clear.

Because I've said this numerous times already, I'll keep this short. After Clinton, we were on the road to erasing our debt completely. Bush enacted major tax cuts, increased military spending (Iraq, Afghanistan), and all without paying for any of it. These things are the largest contributors to the deficit even today. Obama's increased spending is minimal in comparison, and it was mostly economic recovery. It is quite obvious that the blame falls on the Republicans, and the Republican presidential candidates don't appear very eager to redeem themselves, considering that they want to make the debt problem worse.

Let's just say this, we all have inherited a HORRIBLE DEBT, both sides contributed. If we want to get out of it, we have to give up the freebie's, no company should be in contract with the government, if they fail they fail. If we want to save the nation as a whole, no one person should get special benefits, we all need to feel the pain because obviously the road we are on now is headed to a dead end. We are americans, and we can get through this, yes it may suck, but just like the companies who can't afford to pay for the unions, we can't afford to pay for studies of watching a shrimp on a treadmill. Money was wasted, and it no longer can be. We have 211 TRILLION IN DEBT. I think the 3rd graders can go without condoms for a while. IT WILL BE PAINFUL, but there is nothing else we can do.

You realize that without certain things like Medicaid people will die. I would have been one of those people as I had cancer, yeah don't bullshit by saying "we will all feel pain " if you want to cut back on medicare, medicaid, social security, food stamps. Than lets also raise taxes on anyone who makes over $1 million a year.

 

[Hanafuda]

in the USA constitution nowhere in it say that ENGLISH is the official language of the USA also he seem to be a damn racist .

Well, it is written in English ... kinda sets the tone, doncha think??


Don't worry, just kidding. I agree with you - although I do think English should be taught as the primary language in public schools, simply so we can all communicate with each other as a nation. But my own house is bilingual (English and Japanese) so as far as I'm concerned anyone who wants "English as the official language" can go F themselves. And yes, Santorum needs to go away. I'm kinda meh on Romney though. I don't think he's the big evil some here in this thread are trying to make him out to be though. Already expressed my views on Obama ... wish I had a different Democrat to vote for. I may end up voting for my next door neighbor or something like that.

 

[Lacius]

Should social security and medicare be destroyed? No. They shouldn't have been made in the first place, but since they have been created and many Americans rely on them, they need to be reformed.

Out of curiosity, how would you recommend they be reformed?

Let's just say this, we all have inherited a HORRIBLE DEBT, both sides contributed.

Yeah, we have all inherited a horrible debt. The economic downturn alone contributed unavoidable amounts to the national debt, and we're all in this together. However, as for who caused the problem, it was the Republicans, mainly George W. Bush. If he hadn't enacted those tax cuts and spent money on those wars without paying for any of it, the debt problem would be a lot less of a problem. Considering the track we were on after Clinton, the debt might have been insignificant (it's hard to say with the economic downturn, but it likely wouldn't be much of an issue). I don't understand how you get both sides contributing out of all of this.

If we want to get out of it, we have to give up the freebie's, no company should be in contract with the government, if they fail they fail.

If you're talking purely about solving the debt problem, you are right that not bailing out companies would contribute less to the national debt. However, in terms of the economy, letting businesses die where they fall is a huge mistake.

If we want to save the nation as a whole, no one person should get special benefits, we all need to feel the pain because obviously the road we are on now is headed to a dead end.

With the Republicans rejecting any proposal at deficit reduction, yes, you are right. We are at an impasse. However, Obama's proposed budget cuts spending in ways that forces everyone to make sacrifices and increases revenue from increased taxes on the very wealthy (and in a fair way).

We are americans, and we can get through this, yes it may suck, but just like the companies who can't afford to pay for the unions, we can't afford to pay for studies of watching a shrimp on a treadmill. Money was wasted, and it no longer can be. We have 211 TRILLION IN DEBT. I think the 3rd graders can go without condoms for a while. IT WILL BE PAINFUL, but there is nothing else we can do.

Shrimp on a treadmill? Condoms for third graders? Could you please explain what you're talking about. Whatever it is, it's likely insignificant when it comes to lowering the deficit.

Plus you may choose multiple choices for like 2nd and 3rd best.

It's likely that allowing one to choose multiple choices will skew the results. For example, some might vote for every candidate but Obama, making it seem like Obama is very unpopular. I recommend you fix that.

 

[DDTarZan]

Well, I would vote for Obama again. He didn't screw things over nearly as bad as Bush did, kinda had to clean up after him too. Plus, keeps the Republicans out of office. But he did sign ACTA, so...

Maybe Ron Paul, but I know little about him other than he speaks the truth, but we've never really had honesty in the White House, so I don't trust it.

Santorum needs to shut the fuck up. Romney needs to shut the fuck up.

I won't vote, and a good reason is:

 

[notmeanymore]

Should social security and medicare be destroyed? No. They shouldn't have been made in the first place, but since they have been created and many Americans rely on them, they need to be reformed.

Out of curiosity, how would you recommend they be reformed?

I honestly have no idea. Reform is needed, but I'm not so politically-minded to know how to reform it. People like [member='smile72'] are exactly why I say don't just do away with it, some people need it. There is assuredly some way for the system to cost less and accomplish more.

Also, could you fix all the rest of the quotes from your post, I didn't say most of that.

 

[Lacius]

Also, could you fix all the rest of the quotes from your post, I didn't say most of that.

Woops, haha, oh boy *tugs collar*

 

[TLSS_N]

Let's just say this, we all have inherited a HORRIBLE DEBT, both sides contributed.

Yeah, we have all inherited a horrible debt. The economic downturn alone contributed unavoidable amounts to the national debt, and we're all in this together. However, as for who caused the problem, it was the Republicans, mainly George W. Bush. If he hadn't enacted those tax cuts and spent money on those wars without paying for any of it, the debt problem would be a lot less of a problem. Considering the track we were on after Clinton, the debt might have been insignificant (it's hard to say with the economic downturn, but it likely wouldn't be much of an issue). I don't understand how you get both sides contributing out of all of this.

If we want to get out of it, we have to give up the freebie's, no company should be in contract with the government, if they fail they fail.

If you're talking purely about solving the debt problem, you are right that not bailing out companies would contribute less to the national debt. However, in terms of the economy, letting businesses die where they fall is a huge mistake.

If we want to save the nation as a whole, no one person should get special benefits, we all need to feel the pain because obviously the road we are on now is headed to a dead end.

With the Republicans rejecting any proposal at deficit reduction, yes, you are right. We are at an impasse. However, Obama's proposed budget cuts spending in ways that forces everyone to make sacrifices and increases revenue from increased taxes on the very wealthy (and in a fair way).

We are americans, and we can get through this, yes it may suck, but just like the companies who can't afford to pay for the unions, we can't afford to pay for studies of watching a shrimp on a treadmill. Money was wasted, and it no longer can be. We have 211 TRILLION IN DEBT. I think the 3rd graders can go without condoms for a while. IT WILL BE PAINFUL, but there is nothing else we can do.

Shrimp on a treadmill? Condoms for third graders? Could you please explain what you're talking about. Whatever it is, it's likely insignificant when it comes to lowering the deficit.

Condom shrimp Should I go on? This has been a problem for a long ass time, it didn't just magically start under bush, or Reagan this has been fought over for at least 100 years. When we say smaller government, this is what we are talking about, what possible benefit could studying the sex habits of a squirrel have on our nation? What about spending 85 million on at that court house in Florida? If that's not enough, have a look here. You can blame the war all you want, but the war isn't the only problem, and in fact before the elections in 2006, it was mostly conservative compared to years to come, check it out yourself. Because we had to massive amounts of spending tagged on by the democrats who controlled congress between 2006 and 2008, everyone hated George Bush, they were too stupid to realize "hey we are being set up to be raped by big government." I distinctly remember watching a program on tv, with a bunch of dumb ass kids on tv listening to this guy on the stage screaming "who are we going to vote for? Obama!" and everyone on mtv screaming " we hate bush!" I thought obama pledged to go through the budget "line by line" but what he really was saying was, "I am the worlds biggest troll." You can continue to blame the people who were trying to run a tight ship all you want, but those who aren't actually paying attention, will always be raped and those who actually give a shit about the country they reside in will learn to watch over the shoulder for the molester. I've already told you about 211 trillion, that's with a T we are in debt, continuing to ignore the simple fact that, we ARE BROKE does not fix the situation, WE NEED TO FIX IT NAOW! But attempting to distract us on petty side issues will only make the issue worse.

Grow up, buy a budget book at Kroger's and have a plan, because easy credit never worked and will always lead to a dead end.

@Smiley, maybe we could afford help with cancer if we hadn't spent all of that money on useless shit, I am sorry to hear of your helth situations, but I can not help that, and neither can anyone on this forums or anyone on the net for that matter. I've completely dropped cable tv, and a bunch of other shit. If I can do it, so can everyone else. Hell, I've got a friend who lost net access for 5 years because of the family budget, he understands and lives with it.

Have a plan or pay a stupid tax, that's how life works.

 

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From the start people have expected Obama to come in like some god of economics and fix everything like he's FDR, and hell that took even him years to do. People may trash him and while his methods to gain voters are questionable as they always are in campaigns (they pretty much have to be to get the average dumbasses' attention) and the novelty of of him being the first black president is over I have more faith in the guy than anyone else running against him. So far I've failed to see him make anything worse and considering that the last president had the competence of a 3rd grader he's at the very least the safe choice.