Nintendo will have inferior hardware next gen

[Ace Overclocked]

do people care about that anymore?

 

[Valwin]

It is Nintendo's trend to always be behind its competitors which are Sony and Microsoft but I still like how Nintendo values gameplay than graphics.So lesson:its not all about graphics.

i think their trends is making consoles that sell via new ways to play

Yeah, right. Like the SNES. Or the Gameboy. Or the N64. Or the Gamecube...

The only "innovative" things they released so-far were the sucky Power Glove and the WiiMote. That, and maybe the analog stick on the N64, but that was somewhat inevitable anyways.

Snes continue the trend of home consoles after the video game crash

n64 first 64bit console also the first console to do 3D right

gameboy show the GOOD mobile gaming was posssible

good luck trying to water down nintendo

 

[Foxi4]

Snes continue the trend of home consoles after the video game crash

n64 first 64bit console also the first console to do 3D right

gameboy show the GOOD mobile gaming was posssible

good luck trying to water down nintendo

Neither of these products was innovative though. The Gameboy was not the only portable system at that time - its popularity was based off it's affordability. The N64, while being the first "true" 64-bit console it was plagued by design flaws, starting with low RAM which bottlenecked the system, ending on the unfortunate choice of cartridges as the medium. If anything, it was a bad design. The SNES was released WAY, WAY after the crash, it had nothing to do with it and in fact, the rivalry between the SNES and the Genesis was never really "resolved" with a clear winner.

If you want to pass the argument that Nintendo64 was in some way, I can say that the Sega Saturn was in fact *more* revolutionary as it introduced Dual CPU's and Dual GPU units, which alongside the sound processing unit ammounted to 5 co-operating cores. Pretty effin' beefy for the time, just not "utilized right".

Good luck making Nintendo look like Game Gods. They did the NES, they marketed it "right" (aka, not as a console) and they were lucky. That's that.

 

[AlanJohn]

I think its been proven dozens upon dozens of times that software > hardware.

 

[Foxi4]

genesis vs Snes was resolve Snes won look who characters now from time to time appear in Nintendo consoles

We only posess rough estimates of sales of both consoles and infact it's not that much of a difference, so no, neither really "won", they went head to head throught their life cycle.

IN FACT, the Genesis is still sold in its re-modeled forms to this day on some markets. Endorsed by Sega. Because it's an awesome machine.

I don't see why "characters" decide about the past successes of a given company - SEGA dropped out of the arms race simply because they chose to do what they do best - video games. I'm not describing Nintendo as a "shit" company, what I'm arguing againts is treating them as some sort of gaming diety. They aren't always right and they don't always do things the right way. Nintendo makes mistakes aswell - the Power Glove was shit, the N64 was a flop, the GameCube brought barely any profits due to being released late and having stupidly small discs for the time, the Wii is as backwards when it comes to hardware as it gets. That's that. You can't argue with those. Period.

And I ALREADY know what you're going to say to supposedly counter these arguments. The only things Nintendo fanboys are capable of uttering in situations when they are faced by cold facts.

"But Innovation", "But Mario", "But Pokemon". The world doesn't revolve around either of those.

EDIT: There was no need to remove Valwin's post - it takes much, much more effort to properly annoy me.

 

[Valwin]

genesis vs Snes was resolve Snes won look who characters now from time to time appear in Nintendo consoles

We only posess rough estimates of sales of both consoles and infact it's not that much of a difference, so no, neither really "won", they went head to head throught their life cycle.

IN FACT, the Genesis is still sold in its re-modeled forms to this day on some markets.

I don't see why "characters" decide about the past successes of a given company - SEGA dropped out of the arms race simply because they chose to do what they do best - video games. I'm not describing Nintendo as a "shit" company, what I'm arguing againts is treating them as some sort of gaming diety. They aren't always right and they don't always do things the right way. Nintendo makes mistakes aswell - the Power Glove was shit, the N64 was a flop, the GameCube brought barely any profits due to being released late and having stupidly small discs for the time, the Wii is as backwards when it comes to hardware as it gets. That's that. You can't argue with those. Period.

And I ALREADY know what you're going to say to supposedly counter these arguments. The only things Nintendo fanboys are capable of uttering in situations when they are faced by cold facts.

"But Innovation", "But Mario", "But Pokemon. The world doesn't revolve around either of those.

o foxi4 either you dint live at that time
it was all Mario vs sonic at the time and look who appears in nintendo consoles now XD


also il take a n64 game over a Ps1 game any day

 

[Foxi4]

o foxi4 either you dint live at that time
it was all Mario vs sonic at the time and look who appears in nintendo consoles now XD


also il take a n64 game over a Ps1 game any day

I don't know where YOU lived at the time, but likely under a rock if you're so 100% certain about the SNES's domination. Good for you if you choose N64 games, I never said the system didn't have any good ones - I said it was badly designed. That said, I'm sure those 102 million people who purchased the PlayStation instead of the N64 beg to differ.

As I said, characters have nothing to do with this whatsoever, you're pulling the "I don't know what to say, really" card, which is... sort of sad, actually.

If you haven't noticed, Sega releases Sonic games not only on Nintendo platforms - they're releasing them on all available platforms. They completely shifted from a hardware to a software-only company, how is it hard to comperhend?

 

[Valwin]

o foxi4 either you dint live at that time
it was all Mario vs sonic at the time and look who appears in nintendo consoles now XD


also il take a n64 game over a Ps1 game any day

I don't know where YOU lived at the time, but likely under a rock if you're so 100% certain about the SNES's domination. Good for you if you choose N64 games, I never said the system didn't have any good ones - I said it was badly designed. That said, I'm sure those 102 million people who purchased the PlayStation instead of the N64 beg to differ.

As I said, characters have nothing to do with this whatsoever, you're pulling the "I don't know what to say, really" card, which is... sort of sad, actually.

If you haven't noticed, Sega releases Sonic games not only on Nintendo platforms - they're releasing them on all available platforms. They completely shifted from a hardware to a software-only company, how is it hard to comperhend?

you dint live at time so you would never understand

also is the ps3 a flop? seem how the wii sold more that him and shit

 

[Foxi4]

you dint live at time so you would never understand

also is the ps3 a flop? seem how the wii sold more that him and shit

You don't seem to understand the severity of your claim. The Wii indeed sold twice the units of the PS3, however, the PlayStation sold *three* times the units of the N64 and the PS2 sold *six* times the units of the Gamecube. That said, the PS3 is *still* selling roughly 30.000 units weekly and isn't going to stop anytime soon. That's why those are considered "flops" while the PS3 takes its rightful and respectable 2nd place.

Also, were you that lazy as to not even check my birth date? I was about 3 when the SNES came out in Europe, I GREW UP watching the struggle, I know exactly what I'm talking about while you're talking out of your ass. "You wouldn't understand" is not an argument, it's being Emo.

 

[Valwin]

you dint live at time so you would never understand

also is the ps3 a flop? seem how the wii sold more that him and shit

You don't seem to understand the severity of your claim. The Wii indeed sold twice the units of the PS3, however, the PlayStation sold *three* times the units of the N64 and the PS2 sold *six* times the units of the Gamecube. That said, the PS3 is *still* selling roughly 30.000 units weekly and isn't going to stop anytime soon.

Also, were you that lazy as to not even check my birth date? I was about 3 when the SNES came out in Europe, I GREW UP watching the struggle, I know exactly what I'm talking about while you're talking out of your ass. "You wouldn't understand" is not an argument, it's being Emo.

but you say the N64 and gamecube are flops cuz of sales @.@ how what you just say answer my question ?

 

[Foxi4]

but you say the N64 and gamecube are flops cuz of sales @.@ how what you just say answer my question ?

It's like you're not even reading. The N64 sold three times less units and dropped out, the GameCube sold 6 times less units and died before it even started while the PS3 sold less then the Wii, however more then the XBox360. You do understand what that means, basically?

 

[Valwin]

but you say the N64 and gamecube are flops cuz of sales @.@ how what you just say answer my question ?

It's like you're not even reading. The N64 sold three times less units and dropped out, the GameCube sold 6 times less units and died before it even started while the PS3 sold less then the Wii, however more then the XBox360. You do understand what that means, basically?

@.@ the n64 drop out ? wen did that happen link me NOw must know

 

[Vigilante]

Foxi4=Sony/Microsoft fanboy.
Valwin=Nintendo fanboy.

So please stop the fanboy wars.
You don't need to start a war just show your fanboyism.

 

[Foxi4]

@.@ the n64 drop out ? wen did that happen link me NOw must know

The console was first released in Japan on June 23, 1996. (...) The North American version of the Nintendo 64 officially launched on September 29, 1996 with 500,000 units sold in the first four months, while the PAL version was released in Europe on March 1, 1997. As of December 31, 2009, the N64 had sold 5.54 million units in Japan, 20.63 million in the Americas, and 6.75 million in other regions, for a total of 32.93 million units.Benimaru Itō, a developer for EarthBound 64 and friend of Shigeru Miyamoto, speculated in 1997 that the N64′s lower popularity in Japan was due to the lack of Role-Playing Games. Because of the cost of Nintendo 64 cartridges, and limited third-party support, the Nintendo 64 caused Nintendo to lose its leading position in its market share. (...) The last game released for the system was Tony Hawk Pro Skater 3 in early 2002. The system lasted aprox. 5 years. The PlayStation's last game was Yetisports WorldTour!, released in April 2005.

This effectively means that the PlayStation was still recieving support 4 years after the GameCube was released, 5 years after the PS2 entered the market.

 

[Foxi4]

Foxi4=Sony/Microsoft fanboy.
Valwin=Nintendo fanboy.

So please stop the fanboy wars.
You don't need to start a war just show your fanboyism.

Spoiler

If you are incapable of criticizing a company you support for all the batshit stupid things they do and support whatever dumb ideas they try to pull off without thinking objectively, you're not a real fan. You're just an enabler of stupid. Criticizms gives birth to improvements. Nodding gives neck aches.

Valid arguments that are entirely true and based on facts are not fanboyism. Don't be a self-proclaimed moderator - we have professional ones here. Valwin's wrong about many things - plain and simple. I know I won't convince him - he's a fanboy, completely unpersuadable. I can toy around though to my heart's delight.

You dare accuse me of Fanboyism? You just failed, so hard that I heard the thump even here.

Total Nintendo Hater.

 

[gameandmatch]

Foxi4=Sony/Microsoft fanboy.
Valwin=Nintendo fanboy.

So please stop the fanboy wars.
You don't need to start a war just show your fanboyism.

This is what you consider a fanboy war? Dear god, I feel sorry for you when you see a real one.

 

[chris888222]

Foxi4=Neutral Gamer
Valwin=Nintendo fanboy.

So please stop the fanboy wars.
You don't need to start a war just show your fanboyism.

Fixed.

Heck, @Foxi4 programs for the DS as a hobby! D:

 

[heartgold]

Foxi4, when are you adding a 3DS to that collection?

 

[NeoGohan]

*sigh* This is false. The author of this article simply selected some things from the Nintendo Q&A and ignored the others. What Iwata talks about is that Nintendo games won't be like the ones in other consoles, as in they all won't take years and years to develop. Modern game journalism at it's finest.

^This

 

[Coto]

LoL I see Foxi4 just as mysef:

Neutral, and fanboy hater. Good collection over there too. I had the very same collection except an original Game Boy, a GBA SP, and a Nintendo 64 I modded to output S-Video directly

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Also, the Wii arquitecture was nice even if underpowered. I bet Wii U will have all the power required to enjoy games at its best.