SCOTUS about to kill Voting Rights Act

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It may have been a judge to do that, but it was a jury that convicted Trump of all felonies while certifying that he SA'd a woman. Unanimously. So the joke is a bit out there.
You’re mixing up the Carroll civil suit with the New York financial records case. Trump was never convicted of any sex crimes in any court. Civil proceedings don’t end in a guilty verdict.
 
You’re mixing up the Carroll civil suit with the New York financial records case. Trump was never convicted of any sex crimes in any court. Civil proceedings don’t end in a guilty verdict.
Yes, you keep saying this as if somehow it means that Trump did not rape her. It's a falsehood.

And even if civil proceedings don't end up with a strictly "guilty" verdict, there are winners and losers and Trump was (is) a loser.

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.nysd.590045/gov.uscourts.nysd.590045.212.0.pdf

For the ones too lazy to read

"As is shown in the following notes, the definition of rape in the New York Penal Law is far narrower than the meaning of “rape” in common modern parlance, its definition in some dictionaries, in some federal and state criminal statutes, and elsewhere. The finding that Ms Carroll failed to prove that she was “raped” within the meaning of the New York Penal Law does not mean that she failed to prove that Mr. Trump “raped” her as many people commonly understand the word “rape.” Indeed, as the evidence at trial recounted below makes clear, the jury found that Mr. Trump in fact did exactly that."
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Didn't happen, is your source 4chan? And "nullifying his innocence" would translate to finding him guilty anyway.
Remember, that's the revisionist saying that hitler was left wing because the party was called "national socialist" when hitler himself says he used the name to trick people in his Mein Kampf
 
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Yes, you keep saying this as if somehow it means that Trump did not rape her. It's a falsehood.

And even if civil proceedings don't end up with a strictly "guilty" verdict, there are winners and losers and Trump was (is) a loser.

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.nysd.590045/gov.uscourts.nysd.590045.212.0.pdf

For the ones too lazy to read

"As is shown in the following notes, the definition of rape in the New York Penal Law is far narrower than the meaning of “rape” in common modern parlance, its definition in some dictionaries, in some federal and state criminal statutes, and elsewhere. The finding that Ms Carroll failed to prove that she was “raped” within the meaning of the New York Penal Law does not mean that she failed to prove that Mr. Trump “raped” her as many people commonly understand the word “rape.” Indeed, as the evidence at trial recounted below makes clear, the jury found that Mr. Trump in fact did exactly that."
Such a huge wall of text instead of just correcting yourself.
 
Jury nullified his innocence.
Yes, that's how it works. Innocent until proven guilty. He was proven guilty, and the jury "nullified" his innocence.

Not sure if that was the term you wanted to use, but it sounds so strange to say it that way.
 
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Section 2 of the Voting Rights Act is what's under review, given the court's extreme conservative bias they seem likely to gut many of the protections it grants. More specifically, that would allow for the gerrymandering of majority-minority districts in Southern states, and flip a whole lot of congressional seats from safe blue to safe red. Put simply: the intent is to stop allowing black people to choose their own representatives.

https://prospect.org/politics/2025-10-16-2026-election-supreme-court-gerrymandering-maps/
At this point if people cant vote for politicians that properly represent them, why have a fucking government in the first place? The United States is done. Just shut this shit down and start fresh. 250 years of garbage. it's time for something new.
 
At this point if people cant vote for politicians that properly represent them, why have a fucking government in the first place? The United States is done. Just shut this shit down and start fresh. 250 years of garbage. it's time for something new.
Yep, 100%.

Shut it down. Remake the constitution to better serve the people. Put limitations on the 2A. Prevent money in politics. Free education and healthcare for all. Limits on individual profits and proper taxation of the rich.

Of course, that'll never happen, but it's nice to dream.
 
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Feel free to thank me for the TL;DR. It's there for people like you after all.
The funny thing is that the snippet you provided proves two things - that Trump was never convicted of rape (because that’s not what civil court does, it establishes liability, and it has a far lower evidentiary standard compared to “beyond a shadow of doubt” used in criminal proceedings), it also proves that what was alleged didn’t classify as rape either per NY penal code. I’ll treat that as you posting an errata.
 
The funny thing is that the snippet you provided proves two things - that Trump was never convicted of rape (because that’s not what civil court does, it establishes liability, and it has a far lower evidentiary standard compared to “beyond a shadow of doubt” used in criminal proceedings), it also proves that what was alleged didn’t classify as rape either per NY penal code. I’ll treat that as you posting an errata.
Treat it as whatever you want, your (involuntary?) attempt to be obtuse isn't fooling anybody since the judge says, in no uncertain terms, that Trump is a rapist. Putting to bed all your excuses. Unless you think to know more than the judge?

Because the judge does say "not rape according to the NY penal code, but rape according to common sense and in any possible meaning".

Had this happened in Sweden, it would have been legally classified rape, because that's the trick with laws, they vary from state to state, from country to country.
 
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The funny thing is that the snippet you provided proves two things - that Trump was never convicted of rape (because that’s not what civil court does, it establishes liability, and it has a far lower evidentiary standard compared to “beyond a shadow of doubt” used in criminal proceedings), it also proves that what was alleged didn’t classify as rape either per NY penal code. I’ll treat that as you posting an errata.
This distinction between sexual assault and rape is getting tired. You'd be equally enraged if someone took a family member into a changeroom and molested them vs stuck their dick in them. You can split hairs on how angry you'd be between the two, but it's completely missing the forest for the trees at that point.
 
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It's usually a distinction without a difference
It's a weak attempt to split hairs over a label when in reality it doesn't make any difference in real terms.

If it affected them in their own life, they'd be up-in-arms. Since it's someone they have hitched their wagon to, they are hell-bent on trying to limit the damage to his image. Not for Trump, but to delude themselves that they didn't make horrible choices in life.
 
This distinction between sexual assault and rape is getting tired. You'd be equally enraged if someone took a family member into a changeroom and molested them vs stuck their dick in them. You can split hairs on how angry you'd be between the two, but it's completely missing the forest for the trees at that point.
And that's the problem. These people don't care about what happens to other people because it's not happening to them (or their loved ones and associates). But as we see time and time again in news, articles, etc, an increasing number of people who voted for Trump, thinking he was going to fix things because "he said so", are coming out now to cry about how he's made their lives worse. Like duh. We've known this even before his first term.
 
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Treat it as whatever you want, your (involuntary?) attempt to be obtuse isn't fooling anybody since the judge says, in no uncertain terms, that Trump is a rapist. Putting to bed all your excuses. Unless you think to know more than the judge?

Because the judge does say "not rape according to the NY penal code, but rape according to common sense and in any possible meaning".

Had this happened in Sweden, it would have been legally classified rape, because that's the trick with laws, they vary from state to state, from country to country.
Except we don’t know if it happened at all since there is no guilty verdict. The matter was never prosecuted in a criminal court of law to establish, beyond any reasonable doubt, that the alleged crime happened as described. As for what “the judge is saying”, that’s an opinion. It has no bearing on whether Trump has been found guilty or not (he hasn’t). You confused two completely separate court cases, which is fine, human error.
This distinction between sexual assault and rape is getting tired. You'd be equally enraged if someone took a family member into a changeroom and molested them vs stuck their dick in them. You can split hairs on how angry you'd be between the two, but it's completely missing the forest for the trees at that point.
I am not convinced that the two even met as described, or that the event ever happened. I see no concrete, indisputable material evidence that it did, and plenty of evidence to the contrary. What was presented in court may have been enough to convince a jury as far as civil liability is concerned (after all, it’s only money we’re talking about) but it would be completely insufficient in any kind of criminal proceeding, and it’s insufficient to me. As it stands, Trump hasn’t been found guilty of rape *or* sexual assault, so the distinction is indeed meaningless, especially to me since I don’t think it happened as described, if at all. I’m entitled to have a different opinion than the jury, especially when guilt is not established beyond reasonable doubt.
And that's the problem. These people don't care about what happens to other people because it's not happening to them (or their loved ones and associates). But as we see time and time again in news, articles, etc, an increasing number of people who voted for Trump, thinking he was going to fix things because "he said so", are coming out now to cry about how he's made their lives worse. Like duh. We've known this even before his first term.
I only care about things that actually happened, not unproven allegations.
 
Except we don’t know if it happened at all since there is no guilty verdict. The matter was never prosecuted in a criminal court of law to establish, beyond any reasonable doubt, that the alleged crime happened as described. As for what “the judge is saying”, that’s an opinion. It has no bearing on whether Trump has been found guilty or not (he hasn’t). You confused two completely separate court cases, which is fine, human error.
the only "human" error is yours, even if you sound like a NPC

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/07/19/trump-carroll-judge-rape/
 

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