Let me save you the suspense; the Switch 2 won't get hacked

[HarveyHouston]

"with all the appropriate keys spoofed" is the key point here. No amount of reverse engineering will give you Nintendo's private keys which are used to sign software updates.

Yeah, some data mining is probably in order. That might be possible with a third-party tool that can intercept license checks across the network, which could lead to the actual keys themselves being leaked. This could be risky if done on the internet, so you wouldn't want to do it with an account you intend to keep.

Unfortunately, I have no such tool. Sorry to disappoint anyone - I'm just the homebrew idea guy.

 

[Knight of Time]

Yeah, I can imagine doing data mining here would actually be VERY risky. Even if someone managed to pull it off and get those keys, chances are they would be at a huge risk for a ban on their Nintendo Switch 2.

Basically, it might be a major sacrifice someone might need to make if they manage to find a way for others to use CFW on their Nintendo Switch 2 consoles.

 

[MopSec]

Yeah, some data mining is probably in order. That might be possible with a third-party tool that can intercept license checks across the network, which could lead to the actual keys themselves being leaked. This could be risky if done on the internet, so you wouldn't want to do it with an account you intend to keep.

Unfortunately, I have no such tool. Sorry to disappoint anyone - I'm just the homebrew idea guy.

You have no idea how asymmetric cryptography works.

 

[DigBar]

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wont the yt app be patched on release tho since they already patched it on ps5??

 

[HarveyHouston]

You have no idea how asymmetric cryptography works.

I do, actually, and that can be compromised also - usually because someone slips up in securing the signal well, or they just make it too easy to get the keys, but still, it's not 100% impossible to be the man in the middle and intercept those encryption keys. I didn't say it wasn't difficult, however.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public-key_cryptography#Weaknesses

 

[hippy dave]

Private key would never be transmitted across any network.

 

[RikuKawai]

I'm old enough to remember when the 3DS would never be hacked and there would never be CFW for the DSi

 

[emmauss]

I do, actually, and that can be compromised also - usually because someone slips up in securing the signal well, or they just make it too easy to get the keys, but still, it's not 100% impossible to be the man in the middle and intercept those encryption keys. I didn't say it wasn't difficult, however.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public-key_cryptography#Weaknesses

Private keys are never transmitted over the network. Not even in TLS. For a typical web request, the client requests a public key and that key is only used to read data sent from the server, and not write it.
For the switch, the public keys are already part of the firmware. There's no transfer of keys. Each firmware update has it's own master key that is used to generate all other keys without need to access any server. That's why you can update a system to a new version and play games that only support that version using a game card.
So no. You don't know how asymmetric encryption work s.

 

[HarveyHouston]

For the switch, the public keys are already part of the firmware. There's no transfer of keys. Each firmware update has it's own master key that is used to generate all other keys without need to access any server. That's why you can update a system to a new version and play games that only support that version using a game card.

Well then, one doesn't need network access at all for stealing keys, if indeed that's how it works. It's not asymmetric encryption after all; it's localized encryption.

In which case, I don't know how the Switch works, then! I think I'll just walk away from this conversation...

 

[FernandoRocker]

So, now we know (thanks to retr0.id) that the DRAM bus/system memory is encrypted. And SciresM is now retired, so no software exploits or CFW from him.

Guess who is still right?

 

[Tortitamal]

Its sure it will be hacked, Jailbroken or something, all consoles, all devices are always eventually hacked, the only question is when.

 

[DefaltPearce]

So, now we know (thanks to retr0.id) that the DRAM bus/system memory is encrypted. And SciresM is now retired, so no software exploits or CFW from him.

Guess who is still right?

As if these reasons are absolute stopper for anything to happen. SciresM is one person. Plenty of people are out there in the homebrew community, plenty willing to fuck around with the software or hardware.

Your obsession with being "right" just show how these threads clearly aren't made for discussions but "engagement" or "rage baiting". That's the last I'm posting in this thread.

 

[MRJPGames]

So, now we know (thanks to retr0.id) that the DRAM bus/system memory is encrypted. And SciresM is now retired, so no software exploits or CFW from him.

Guess who is still right?

If you are so desperate to be right, I'd advice you to stick with: "It's not hacked yet, it will likely be a while before it's hacked. But it will be hacked at some point in the future. Worst case long after the prime of the console."

The nice thing about it is that it's not just right, now, it will be right in the future too. You'll never stop being right! Something your current position cannot support.

 

[Szoguner93]

So, now we know (thanks to retr0.id) that the DRAM bus/system memory is encrypted. And SciresM is now retired, so no software exploits or CFW from him.

Guess who is still right?

Doesnt having the MIG switch working on it count as "hacked"?
I mean, the PS5 is also hacked, based on system version and for example having a BD or not. So its quite like having a mig switch or not.
So while MIG switch isnt working perfect, you can play switch 1 games backups. And for most people, that is enough. Xbox series S/X is not hacked for example, even game backups are a no go. But switch2? I would say that while its not on the level of switch 1, its still covers most of the needs of non hobby hackers

 

[FernandoRocker]

Doesnt having the MIG switch working on it count as "hacked"?
I mean, the PS5 is also hacked, based on system version and for example having a BD or not. So its quite like having a mig switch or not.
So while MIG switch isnt working perfect, you can play switch 1 games backups. And for most people, that is enough. Xbox series S/X is not hacked for example, even game backups are a no go. But switch2? I would say that while its not on the level of switch 1, its still covers most of the needs of non hobby hackers

Not really.

On a technical level, the MIG is a " Switch 1 cartridge hack" instead of a system hack. It's like saying that a PS or Xbox is hacked because it can read burned DVD movies.

And the worst part is that the Switch 2, unlike the Switch 1, can actually detect when a MIG is used. It keeps the MIG usage in its log to ban the console in the next wave.

 

[Szoguner93]

Not really.

On a technical level, the MIG is a " Switch 1 cartridge hack" instead of a system hack. It's like saying that a PS or Xbox is hacked because it can read burned DVD movies.

And the worst part is that the Switch 2, unlike the Switch 1, can actually detect when a MIG is used. It keeps the MIG usage in its log to ban the console in the next wave.

My ps2 with the use of burned dvds could play backup games (due to ps2 dvd swap magic). I think the mig switch is on almost the same level, sadly without direct switch 2 games. Either way, i gave my S2 back, and stick to my S1 for now, hope something shows up when S2 Oled is on the market

 

[depaul]

Man I just buy my games.
I am only interested in hacking a console after it's completely abandoned. Like WiiU/PS3 for the moment.

 

[Szoguner93]

Man I just buy my games.
I am only interested in hacking a console after it's completely abandoned. Like WiiU/PS3 for the moment.

More or less same, aside the wallet going empty part xD.
I have: X360 with a chip and kinect, 3DS XL, Wii, WiiU, Switch v1, PS Vita, Anaberic Retro Gameboy, Meta quest 3.
Consoles are mostly chilling waiting for my kids to get older.
I sold my ps4 for ps5 but went with a PC GPU, also sold my Xbox series S after my gamepass ultimate was over (3 years for 90 usd via Xbox Live trick - now you get max a year for that price)

 

[MrQQ]

I do, actually, and that can be compromised also - usually because someone slips up in securing the signal well, or they just make it too easy to get the keys, but still, it's not 100% impossible to be the man in the middle and intercept those encryption keys. I didn't say it wasn't difficult, however.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public-key_cryptography#Weaknesses

No he means you literally have no clue...like at all as the keys wouldn't be in clear text that isn't how it works... so why comment when you are clearly clueless?

 

[Newhouse-Estates]

Man I just buy my games.
I am only interested in hacking a console after it's completely abandoned. Like WiiU/PS3 for the moment.

Same here, My 4.03 PS5 just sits while i use my updated one.
Seems that scene is all about "backups" over anything.
I'd like homebrew, Emulators with ray tracing support, Recomp ports etc etc.
However for the switch 1 it was nice playing games early while keeping the physical sealed.