Just about a year ago, Nintendo sought legal action against a streamer who was garnering popularity by playing Nintendo games prior to their official release date. The streamer, Jesse Keighin, who goes by the handle of Every Game Guru, bragged about playing pirated copies of games on Nintendo Switch emulators. According to last year's lawsuit, Nintendo's legal team had reached out to Keighin, who responded by writing a letter claiming that they had a thousand burner channels, and would keep up streaming the pirated games no matter what.

Nintendo was unable to physically get in contact with Keighin, and was eventually forced to reach out via email and attempted visits to Keighin's family. As there was no response by the defendant, a Colorado judge ruled in favor of Nintendo. The defendant now owes Nintendo $17,500 in damages, though Nintendo's request for a permanent injunction and for the defendant to destroy all circumvention devices was denied, as it was too broad of a subject to apply to just emulators on a computer.

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[Reecey]

Since we have some pretty one-sided reporting going on here, let's check in with TorrentFreak, who has been coving the thievery scene much longer. Note that this clown mocked Nintendo online and offered no defense in court. Of course he lost. He deserved to lose. In fact, he got off easy.

"
Filing lawsuits against casual gamers who may have made an isolated mistake is not a good look and could potentially backfire. Nintendo understands that and carefully picks its battles.

The case against Jesse Keighin, better known under his gaming handle “EveryGameGuru” exemplifies this approach. Filed in a Colorado federal court last November, Nintendo’s complaint lists many alleged wrongdoings, including pre-release game streaming using pirated ROMs and distribution of circumvention tools.

“I Run The Streets”​

Defending a lawsuit filed by a multi-billion dollar company can be a frightening prospect but based on messages posted online, the defendant seemed undeterred.

Instead of trying to avoid a legal disaster, Keighin apparently went on the offensive, showing no signs of giving in. Quite the contrary.

“You might run a corporation. I run the streets,” Keighin wrote in a Facebook post addressing Nintendo’s legal team. They should have done more research before taking him on, the gamer wrote.



The streets

The defendant reportedly destroyed evidence and evaded Nintendo’s attempts to serve him personally. Due to these complications, the court eventually allowed service via email and the home addresses of his mother, grandmother, and partner.

Nintendo Requests Default Judgment​

Despite his defiant stance, Keighin did not respond to Nintendo’s allegations so the company requested a default judgment to continue the case without him.

The gaming giant requested $17,500 in damages for copyright infringement, including streaming pre-release games and sharing links to emulators. This was a relatively modest request, as potential maximum damages could have easily exceeded $1 million.

In addition to the modest monetary damages, Nintendo also requested a broad permanent injunction to restrain the defendant from any infringing activities going forward, including the use of emulators such as Yuzu or Ryujinx.

Nintendo said the injunction should apply to third parties working in concert with the defendant and require all infringing hardware and software to be destroyed.

Court Hands Nintendo the Final Win​

In early October, Magistrate Judge Scott T. Varholak recommended granting Nintendo its requested $17,500 in damages and an order enjoining Keighin from future infringement.

At the same time, the Magistrate wrote that two of Nintendo’s broader requests should be denied. The demand to “destroy all circumvention devices” was rejected as “unclear” and “unreasonable,” as the tools in question are mainly software applications available online.



From the recommendation

The request to apply the injunction to “third parties” working in concert with Keighin should also be denied as Nintendo did not specify any third parties who worked with the defendant.

Yesterday, U.S. District Judge Gordon P. Gallagher formally adopted this recommendation, effectively handing Nintendo the win.



Final order

The Judge’s order notes that, since no party filed objections, a full de novo review was not required. After finding ‘no clear error’ in the recommendation, Judge Gallagher adopted it in full. This means that the damages award and the partially granted injunction are now final."

I didn’t read up on the full details of the case but I was told he actually sent a letter directly to Nintendo and said those comments about burner channels and running the streets

Edit: not to you but Nintendo has been taking hacking YouTube videos down for many years now much longer than 2013

 

[Bladexdsl]

I didn’t read up on the full details of the case but I was told he actually sent a letter directly to Nintendo and said those comments about burner channels and running the streets

what a fucking idiot he has no idea how to act like a pirate! you stay in the shadows and never confront!

 

[Viri]

You don't get to decide whether a discussion involving force of law is political or not. You lack perspective and are entirely unable to see the bigger picture.

The biggest defenders of Nintendo ruining peoples' lives also happen to be right-wingers. Curious.

You got your post and my post deleted last time you let your TDS flare up, in a thread that wasn't related to Trump and outside the political section.

I also despise Nintendo as a company, but I'm not going to be sad if someone does dumb shit like this guy did, and had plenty of chances and warnings to just stop. I don't give a shit if someone pirates Nintendo games(I do all the time, lmao), if I did care, I wouldn't be on this forum.

 

[Noctosphere]

You don't get to decide whether a discussion involving force of law is political or not. You lack perspective and are entirely unable to see the bigger picture.

The biggest defenders of Nintendo ruining peoples' lives also happen to be right-wingers. Curious.

It HAS nothing to do with Trump. It could be Obama, Biden, Bush or any other president, it wouldn't be any different. It has nothing to do with "being a precedent" since downloading cracked files is illegal pretty much everywhere.
Of course, downloading roms may differ from country to country, as some allows download of pirated content as long as you have bought an original copy, but since the game wasn't even out yet, I highly doubt he had an original copy in hands.
Streaming it online is basicly yelling out loud at Nintendo "HEY SUE ME!!! I'M PLAYING YOUR GAME ILLEGALY!!! COME ON! SUR ME! CHICKEN!! CHICKEN!! CHICKEN!!" did you really think he wouldn't be sued?
No precedent. No politics. It's just plain illegal stuff.
I would guess that firing gunshot at strangers in a restaurant is illegal in the US, no matter who's in charge of the country, am I right?

 

[zonk47]

This is pretty bad news. Now that they've beat somebody for playing pirated games ahead of release, they can mark that precedent off their list. Next is people playing Switch emulators on stream, NDS etc...

My opinion... this guy was pissed that some people get to play the games early and some don't. He and others wanted to stick it to the AAA firms and they did. Frankly I sympathize... nobody should be able to play the games earlier than anyone else (unless they are devs or beta testers).

 

[SaberLilly]

this guy should count his blessings that all nintendo got was 17k. Like its one thing to play games before their release date, its another to taunt the company while you do it and no show your own court date.

 

[Noctosphere]

This is pretty bad news. Now that they've beat somebody for playing pirated games ahead of release, they can mark that precedent off their list. Next is people playing Switch emulators on stream, NDS etc...

My opinion... this guy was pissed that some people get to play the games early and some don't. He and others wanted to stick it to the AAA firms and they did. Frankly I sympathize... nobody should be able to play the games earlier than anyone else (unless they are devs or beta testers).

They didn't win a lawsuit against somebody who played pirated game. They won a lawsuit against someone who STREAMED pirated game. That's a big difference. And again, no precedent here. Why should there be one anyway? You do something illegal, you pay for it. The only difference here is that he yelled out loud that he was doing something illegal.
If you were to rob a bank, I really hope you wouldn't start telling everyone "Hey, you know that bank that got robbed last week? That was me. Look, that is all the money I got from it!" and expect no retaliation of any sort.

 

[BlazeHeatnix]

It HAS nothing to do with Trump. It could be Obama, Biden, Bush or any other president, it wouldn't be any different. It has nothing to do with "being a precedent" since downloading cracked files is illegal pretty much everywhere.

Nobody cares about whether shit's illegal or not. What matters is whether prosecution and punishment is actually justified. If you jaywalk, do you deserve to pay $1000 each and every time? No. Context, intent, and tangible harm are what matter.

Streaming it online is basicly yelling out loud at Nintendo "HEY SUE ME!!! I'M PLAYING YOUR GAME ILLEGALY!!! COME ON! SUR ME! CHICKEN!! CHICKEN!! CHICKEN!!" did you really think he wouldn't be sued?

If you continually poke a tiger, you are fucking stupid and deserve to get mauled. Is that what you're thinking? Because yes, it's true. But guess what? Nintendo is not a tiger. Nintendo is not an animal. They are not acting on instinct. They don't do what they do just because that's their nature. They are responsible for everything they do and they can and should get blamed for their actions. Their actions require just cause and proper context, not simply because they can and it's "what they do". Do you understand that? Do you understand that Nintendo is made up of real, thinking, logical, rational human beings, and not a bunch of unthinking, immoral machines?

In a just world, where Nintendo understood that the streamer daring them to sue was not actually harming their bottom line and that they make $30 million a day (I have to emphasize that yet again) then no, they would not sue. No company on Nintendo's level would.

I would guess that firing gunshot at strangers in a restaurant is illegal in the US, no matter who's in charge of the country, am I right?

Do you equate all illegal acts to shooting people in the street? Does nothing in your brain indicate to you, on some small psychological level, how absurd that is? Has it never occurred to you that "illegal" is not the same thing as "dangerous", "malicious", "harmful", or "wrong"? Has it never crossed your mind why Nintendo's neverending financial slaughter is unique to them and no one else?

 

[chrisrlink]

oddly bragging and basicly "winning" the lawsuit (low fine+no injunction) is just hilarious and a kick in the balls for nintendo

 

[Noctosphere]

Nobody cares about whether shit's illegal or not. What matters is whether prosecution and punishment is actually justified. If you jaywalk, do you deserve to pay $1000 each and every time? No. Context, intent, and tangible harm are what matter.

If you continually poke a tiger, you are fucking stupid and deserve to get mauled. Is that what you're thinking? Because yes, it's true. But guess what? Nintendo is not a tiger. Nintendo is not an animal. They are not acting on instinct. They don't do what they do just because that's their nature. They are responsible for everything they do and they can and should get blamed for their actions. Their actions require just cause and proper context, not simply because they can and it's "what they do". Do you understand that? Do you understand that Nintendo is made up of real, thinking, logical, rational human beings, and not a bunch of unthinking, immoral machines?

In a just world, where Nintendo understood that the streamer daring them to sue was not actually harming their bottom line and that they make $30 million a day (I have to emphasize that yet again) then no, they would not sue. No company on Nintendo's level would.

Do you equate all illegal acts to shooting people in the street? Does nothing in your brain indicate to you, on some small psychological level, how absurd that is? Has it never occurred to you that "illegal" is not the same thing as "dangerous", "malicious", "harmful", or "wrong"? Has it never crossed your mind why Nintendo's neverending financial slaughter is unique to them and no one else?

The way you are talking about Nintendo being bad bad bad bad bad... dude, we get it. Nintendo is a very shit company. I totally agree with you on that. But does that mean they were wrong when they sued that streamer?
The answer is no. If some streamer were to play on twitch a leaked version of GTA VI, Rockstar would do exactly the same as Nintendo. If a streamer were to play a leaked version of The Witcher 4, CD Projekt RED would do exactly the same.
It's not about Nintendo in this case. It's all about the streamer.

I totally understand people bashing on Nintendo, but you still get to realise that other people can also be in the wrong.
Nintendo being bad wouldn't justify going to their offices and start shooting because "thEy MkaE ToOOOo mUCh MoNee"
WAKE UP FOR FUCK SAKE!

 

[Kingofknights]

That's for if someone actually uses your IP in a paid product, you fucking buffoon. That has nothing to do with consuming pirated media. Even if it did, piracy of media has existed for over 50 years and not one single example across all of human history exists of a company losing their IP from it. But even then, this philosophy that your copyright must be protected and enforced lest you lose it is meant for small inventors getting ripped off by big businesses. It is not designed for gigantic megacorporations to bully the working class. Try to consider that the entire dogma of "if we don't defend our IP we'll lose it" has only ever been parroted by propaganda put out by said megacorporations trying to paint themselves as valiant crusaders fighting for what America stands for or some bullshit like that.

You call me illogical while simultaneously comparing piracy to throwing rocks at someone's house. I suggest you book into the funny farm.

Humor me. Let's assume, for the sake of argument, that they did not sue him for piracy. What do you genuinely, honestly believe would happen? Can you look me dead in the eye and tell me, to my face, that Nintendo's profits would suffer? Reminder: they make $30m a day. How much damage to that do you believe this one singular streamer is doing?

Or, is it that you think Nintendo is being robbed of the several millions more they COULD be making if pirates didn't exist? Which is not only a logical fallacy, but entirely fucked up justification on your end.

What do you care?

The fact that you gloss over Nintendo physically "sending messages to" (read: stalking) someone's family as if that's totally normal is dystopic as fuck.

If Disney had chosen to sue the family that wanted to put Spider-Man on their dead child's tombstone, how would you react? It's a blatant violation of their copyright and they would definitely win. They even cited how it was "harmful to their brand". So, go ahead. Justify that for me, in front of God and everyone else.

He's not being sued for piracy. I'm assuming you just jump on here not knowing the extend of what he did. Your entire argument is mood at this point. Once you actually grasp what he actually did then come back. Jesus the amount of ignorant.

 

[ccfman2004]

I think it's time this thread is closed as it's gone off the rails.

 

[ChronosNotashi]

Sure they "WON" but given how much money and time/effort they spent its more of a loss on their part given the measly amount owed rofl.
But yeah, the guy didn't help his case by streaming games that aren't out yet lol

This will never not be overused:

 

[BlazeHeatnix]

He's not being sued for piracy. I'm assuming you just jump on here not knowing the extend of what he did. Your entire argument is mood at this point. Once you actually grasp what he actually did then come back. Jesus the amount of ignorant.

I know exactly what he did. He streamed a leaked pirated copy. My point still stands.

But does that mean they were wrong when they sued that streamer?

Yes. Yes they were. What part of that do you not understand?

The answer is no. If some streamer were to play on twitch a leaked version of GTA VI, Rockstar would do exactly the same as NNintendo.

No they wouldn't. Even IF other companies sued a streamer of a leaked pirated copy, it would still be fucking wrong. In fact, there have been multiple occasions where a game got leaked and the most that happened was the stream got shut down. Never a lawsuit. Not even when games like Kingdom Hearts 3 got leaked weeks early. And if the streamer kept popping up with burner accounts and saying he didn't care? Well, the company would just have to live with it. Most people wouldn't go to such lengths anyway, and any lost sales resulting from that streamer are nanoscopic compared to how much money would be spent on prosecution along with how much money they make in a single damn day.

You are completely missing my point about how nothing this person did caused any legitimate, tangible harm to Nintendo. You keep ignoring that, almost as if you know it's correct and you don't want to admit it. There is no argument to made justifying a lawsuit, a threat of a lawsuit, or even a polite request to stop before they're "forced" to destroy someone's life here. None. Zero.

Nintendo being bad wouldn't justify going to their offices and start shooting because "thEy MkaE ToOOOo mUCh MoNee"

It's pretty amazing how you compare streaming a leaked pirated copy to a mass shooting. Like, wow. Genuinely, wow.

WAKE UP FOR FUCK SAKE!

You're the one who needs to wake up, you prick. Wake up to how modern copyright law and the idea of what's "fair" and "owed" towards gigantic corporations were engineered by the corporations themselves. You don't have one fucking clue what's right or wrong in this world. You people cry all day about "eat the rich" and "free Luigi" when your moral standards are still bound, ball-and-chain, to what was set by the rich and powerful to begin with.

 

[ChronosNotashi]

I think it's time this thread is closed as it's gone off the rails.

Agreed. It's practically devolved into pointless political drama and finger-pointing at this point. This is exactly what happens when you add a politics section to a discussion board, and don't take heavy-handed measures to make sure the political drama stays in the politics section.

 

[Kingofknights]

I didn’t read up on the full details of the case but I was told he actually sent a letter directly to Nintendo and said those comments about burner channels and running the streets

Edit: not to you but Nintendo has been taking hacking YouTube videos down for many years no

I know exactly what he did. He streamed a leaked pirated copy. My point still stands.

Yes. Yes they were. What part of that do you not understand?

No they wouldn't. Even IF other companies sued a streamer of a leaked pirated copy, it would still be fucking wrong. In fact, there have been multiple occasions where a game got leaked and the most that happened was the stream got shut down. Never a lawsuit. Not even when games like Kingdom Hearts 3 got leaked weeks early. And if the streamer kept popping up with burner accounts and saying he didn't care? Well, the company would just have to live with it. Most people wouldn't go to such lengths anyway, and any lost sales resulting from that streamer are nanoscopic compared to how much money would be spent on prosecution along with how much money they make in a single damn day.

You are completely missing my point about how nothing this person did caused any legitimate, tangible harm to Nintendo. You keep ignoring that, almost as if you know it's correct and you don't want to admit it. There is no argument to made justifying a lawsuit, a threat of a lawsuit, or even a polite request to stop before they're "forced" to destroy someone's life here. None. Zero.

It's pretty amazing how you compare streaming a leaked pirated copy to a mass shooting. Like, wow. Genuinely, wow.

You're the one who needs to wake up, you prick. Wake up to how modern copyright law and the idea of what's "fair" and "owed" towards gigantic corporations were engineered by the corporations themselves. You don't have one fucking clue what's right or wrong in this world. You people cry all day about "eat the rich" and "free Luigi" when your moral standards are still bound, ball-and-chain, to what was set by the rich and powerful to begin with.

What a bullshit argument.

Let put this scenario to test then. Supposed you were there at the time. You joined his stream. He mentioned that he got the game early, links to the files in the description, links to donation so you can support him to continue with what he's doing. He also mentioned that he got contacted by Nintendo to stop what he's doing. "Smash the like button and make sure to subscribe if you think fuck Nintendo lol am i right?".

So basically you would have the same knowledge as you would now. What would you comment on his stream? "Thanks for the links, hope you continue what you're doing, Nintendo is filthy rich so they deserve this, fuck them"?

Let me put my throwing rock example again where you dismissed it for not relevant. You think it'd stop there and I should ignore it? I should wait for him to cause major damage to the house and my family to take action?

Again, you seem to so hell bent on justifying his action. "He only did piracy, don't deserve it", "Oh he promote it as well? Big fking deal still don't deserve it", "Oh he profit from it as well, that where I draw t.... no lol it's such a small amount who care, still don't deserve it". The goal post keep moving further and futher until now I assume you're saying he did absolutely no wrong and it's entirely on Nintendo for ruin his life (17k?), like nothing wrong at all? Not the fact that the community would agree that he's a idiot and did more harm than anything? Basically what is your stance on what he did. You seem to so focus on what Nin did that you completely justify his idiotic actions.

EDIT: One more thing to add (addition to the above, don't avoid the above and only reply to this one). I'm bringing back to the "other company" point from another poster that you replied in the quote. You seem to try to rugged that one out so I'm pulling it back. True there were games leaked before, stream was taken down, but is there an instance where the culprit keep making burner accounts and continue to taunt the company? and, this is important, said streamer also provide files and ask for donation. Donation maybe i think people naturally attempt it, I don't think there is an instance of both. We don't really hear much maybe just maYbe staying low after that point is the smart thing to do? Is there a comparison to what this guy did? A combination of leaked games, links, donation, taunting? If not then mAyBe, you know mAybe this is special kind of idiot?

 

[BlazeHeatnix]

Let put this scenario to test then. Supposed you were there at the time. You joined his stream. He mentioned that he got the game early, links to the files in the description, links to donation so you can support him to continue with what he's doing. He also mentioned that he got contacted by Nintendo to stop what he's doing. "Smash the like button and make sure to subscribe if you think fuck Nintendo lol am i right?".

So basically you would have the same knowledge as you would now. What would you comment on his stream? "Thanks for the links, hope you continue what you're doing, Nintendo is filthy rich so they deserve this, fuck them"?

In this scenario, you shut down the stream and get him banned. Which is what 99% of most other developers would do, and have done in the past. If he keeps doing it, you keep shutting him down, and keep banning. Maybe you get his ISP involved. Maybe you give him a slap on the wrist. But you do not seek an obscene amount of money that he never made.

Let me put my throwing rock example again where you dismissed it for not relevant. You think it'd stop there and I should ignore it? I should wait for him to cause major damage to the house and my family to take action?

You really want to go for this metaphor, don't you? Fine. I'll humor it. Let's say someone throws rocks at your house. They don't smash your window, they don't hurt your family, it doesn't even make that much noise. Still, it's annoying. What do you do? Do you open the door and mag-dump him? No. You might call the cops to have him removed, you might file a restraining order, you might place him under house arrest, but you do not force him to pay millions of dollars in damages despite not doing any damage to your house. If your response is to go outside and wave a gun around and threaten to kill him, then congratulations, you are exactly what's wrong with America.

Again, you seem to so hell bent on justifying his action. "He only did piracy, don't deserve it", "Oh he promote it as well? Big fking deal still don't deserve it", "Oh he profit from it as well, that where I draw t.... no lol it's such a small amount who care, still don't deserve it". The goal post keep moving further and futher until now I assume you're saying he did absolutely no wrong and it's entirely on Nintendo for ruin his life (17k?), like nothing wrong at all?

It was only $17k because of the lack of an injunction. Nintendo were seeking at least $150,000 and up to $2M. You accuse me of moving the goalposts, so now what will you do? "Oh it wasn't that bad, only $17k!" "Oh, Nintendo almost made him pay millions? Well...still, fuck him, he deserved it!"

Even if they only sought $17k: do you have $17k lying around? Do any of us? I'm willing to bet most of us are living paycheck-to-paycheck.

Not the fact that the community would agree that he's a idiot and did more harm than anything? Basically what is your stance on what he did. You seem to so focus on what Nin did that you completely justify his idiotic actions.

Argumentum ad populum. I don't give a shit what the community agrees on. That doesn't mean they're right. You keep mocking my statement that Nintendo is richer than God, as if that doesn't matter. It makes all the difference, because it means the streamer did not actually do Nintendo any tangible harm. This isn't about whether Nintendo "deserves it". I'm not saying they "deserve" to lose money. What I am saying is that no amount of money they lost from his streams could even slightly justify a lawsuit. How many sales do you believe this streamer made Nintendo lose? How many were watching his stream? How much money did he make from this stream? How many watching were able to even download and play the leaked copy in the first place? How many were actually swayed away from purchasing the product? I guarantee you, no figure you could possibly produce could be that serious.

 

[Kingofknights]

You really want to go for this metaphor, don't you? Fine. I'll humor it. Let's say someone throws rocks at your house. They don't smash your window, they don't hurt your family, it doesn't even make that much noise. Still, it's annoying.

I noticed you always doing this. Downplaying it. No that's not equivalent. "They don't hurt your family, it doesn't even make that much noise" - this is downplaying. You totally forget that I already asked him to stop multiple times where he throw insult back at me. This can lead to others in the neighborhood also think that I'm a push over and remember they all hate me because I'm super rich. You won't think this might escalate real fast?

You might call the cops to have him removed, you might file a restraining order, you might place him under house arrest, but you do not force him to pay millions of dollars in damages despite not doing any damage to your house. If your response is to go outside and wave a gun around and threaten to kill him, then congratulations, you are exactly what's wrong with America.

Bruh, if Nintendo involved the police then it's even more of a big deal than a year long lawsuit. What you're suggesting is actually worse. And why things suddenly escalate to gun and kill him. I'm not even on the US. What kind of mental gymnastic did you do to reach such conclusion.

In this scenario, you shut down the stream and get him banned. Which is what 99% of most other developers would do, and have done in the past. If he keeps doing it, you keep shutting him down, and keep banning. Maybe you get his ISP involved. Maybe you give him a slap on the wrist. But you do not seek an obscene amount of money that he never made.

Isn't that exactly what Nintendo did? Getting the ISP involved might involve court order, basically you just say they should sue him if he keeping making burner account. well well well. Don't know what your "slap on the wrist" mean here. Have you ever tried to take someone's video down? Probably not otherwise you wouldn't say such thing. Waiting for the platform to act is the "skeleton meme". The amount is the deterrence (see above point), the amount that they have to pay is always less. Using the asked amount is disingenuous. It's 17k and 17k only.

It was only $17k because of the lack of an injunction. Nintendo were seeking at least $150,000 and up to $2M. You accuse me of moving the goalposts, so now what will you do? "Oh it wasn't that bad, only $17k!" "Oh, Nintendo almost made him pay millions? Well...still, fuck him, he deserved it!"

Not the same since I didn't say it was 2M first before turning it into 17k or vice versa, it was always 17k.

Argumentum ad populum. I don't give a shit what the community agrees on. That doesn't mean they're right. You keep mocking my statement that Nintendo is richer than God, as if that doesn't matter. It makes all the difference, because it means the streamer did not actually do Nintendo any tangible harm. This isn't about whether Nintendo "deserves it". I'm not saying they "deserve" to lose money. What I am saying is that no amount of money they lost from his streams could even slightly justify a lawsuit. How many sales do you believe this streamer made Nintendo lose? How many were watching his stream? How much money did he make from this stream? How many watching were able to even download and play the leaked copy in the first place? How many were actually swayed away from purchasing the product? I guarantee you, no figure you could possibly produce could be that serious.

The lawsuit is your "slap on the wrist". Crazy right? I know. That's basically the only way to make him stop at that point. You're suggesting them to play cat and mouse with him forever, there's more games coming up not just the last one. Make him stop then (deter others and minimize the damage that he might potentially racking up) and not chasing him forever is a justify and right call.

I edited my last message but you probably didn't see so here goes again:
EDIT: One more thing to add (addition to the above, don't avoid the above and only reply to this one). I'm bringing back to the "other company" point from another poster that you replied in the quote. You seem to try to rugged that one out so I'm pulling it back. True there were games leaked before, stream was taken down, but is there an instance where the culprit keep making burner accounts and continue to taunt the company? and, this is important, said streamer also provide files and ask for donation. Donation maybe i think people naturally attempt it, I don't think there is an instance of both. Heck even with Nintendo, their games always leaked 2 weeks before releases, why only this guy? We don't really hear much about others maybe just maYbe staying low after that point is the smart thing to do? Is there a comparison to what this guy did? A combination of leaked games, links, donation, taunting? If not then mAyBe, you know mAybe this is special kind of idiot that totally had it coming?

 

[BlazeHeatnix]

I noticed you always doing this. Downplaying it. No that's not equivalent. "They don't hurt your family, it doesn't even make that much noise" - this is downplaying. You totally forget that I already asked him to stop multiple times where he throw insult back at me. This can lead to others in the neighborhood also think that I'm a push over and remember they all hate me because I'm super rich. You won't think this might escalate real fast?

No, because it's not a realistic fear for you to have. It's ridiculous to assume that because this one guy is like that, everyone else in the neighborhood might be too. You're forgetting a very important part of this metaphor, so let me spell it out for you: your house is not only massive, but it's made of steel. The fear of being in danger because some guy is throwing rocks is unfounded and downright paranoid. Your house is colossal, it's made of steel, it's having several thousand layers built around it every day, negating any damage one person, or even a dozen people could do to it with rocks. You're not doing nothing about it, either. Notice I mentioned being removed by police, serving jail time, house arrest, or even being labeled a public menace. Most people, even if they wanted to throw rocks at your house, are not going to think any of those things are worth it. And the one or two people that do are such outliers, such forgettable little blips on the radar that they simply do not matter in the grand scheme of things.

And, just saying: if a bunch of people want to throw rocks at your house, maybe there's a reason for that. Maybe you should consider why you have enemies instead of portraying yourself as an innocent, honest member of the community. Maybe they wouldn't be throwing rocks if you weren't such an absolute cunt. The more you treat your consumer base like shit, the more they'll tell you to go fuck yourself and the more willing they'll be to take matters into their own hands and not feel sorry when something bad happens to you. There's a reason people sympathize with Luigi.

The lawsuit is your "slap on the wrist". Crazy right? I know. That's basically the only way to make him stop at that point. You're suggesting them to play cat and mouse with him forever, there's more games coming up not just the last one. Make him stop then (deter others and minimize the damage that he might potentially racking up) and not chasing him forever is a justify and right call.

Being convicted of a felony is not a slap on the wrist. It has far-reaching consequences that extend past the point of paying a stupid amount of money. You will lose your house, you will lose your civil rights, you will lose child custody, you will lose your insurance, and you will lose most job opportunities. Does that sound like a slap on the wrist to you?

I edited my last message but you probably didn't see so here goes again:
EDIT: One more thing to add (addition to the above, don't avoid the above and only reply to this one). I'm bringing back to the "other company" point from another poster that you replied in the quote. You seem to try to rugged that one out so I'm pulling it back. True there were games leaked before, stream was taken down, but is there an instance where the culprit keep making burner accounts and continue to taunt the company?

You keep bringing up "taunting the company" as if that somehow makes it even more justified. You know taunting people, even police, is protected free speech, right? Or are you operating under "talk shit, get hit" logic, which would mean this was never about the law?

I'm not responding to your last paragraph because it's all shit I've replied to before and I'm getting sick of this going in circles.

 

[RunningSnakes]

No need to try to reason with this tool. The brain is baked...move on.