Just about a year ago, Nintendo sought legal action against a streamer who was garnering popularity by playing Nintendo games prior to their official release date. The streamer, Jesse Keighin, who goes by the handle of Every Game Guru, bragged about playing pirated copies of games on Nintendo Switch emulators. According to last year's lawsuit, Nintendo's legal team had reached out to Keighin, who responded by writing a letter claiming that they had a thousand burner channels, and would keep up streaming the pirated games no matter what.

Nintendo was unable to physically get in contact with Keighin, and was eventually forced to reach out via email and attempted visits to Keighin's family. As there was no response by the defendant, a Colorado judge ruled in favor of Nintendo. The defendant now owes Nintendo $17,500 in damages, though Nintendo's request for a permanent injunction and for the defendant to destroy all circumvention devices was denied, as it was too broad of a subject to apply to just emulators on a computer.

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[kingaz]

Before they only sued major companies! They sued blockbuster video twice in 1989, for renting their games, and again for reprinting manuals when people stole the manuals for the rentals.

But you're correct, after Mr. Iwata passed, they started shutting down YouTube channels, and suing their fanbase as a whole.

They are just a greedy company, remember the message they made clear.

There is no such thing as a Nintendo, anything with their name attached to it, belongs to them, even games you've already purchased, don't belong to you.

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Nintendo Ninja's Snitched him out pure usual, I've seen them clearly tagging videos, twitter posts etc., And tagging Nintendo and all their legal unit's in the posts.

What are you even talking about? Shutting down Melee events and the much maligned Nintendo creators program where they went after anyone with Nintendo content in their videos started under Iwata's reign.

He was awesome, don't get me wrong, but Nintendo was never your whimsical uncle making toys to bring joy to children the world over. It has always been a business.

 

[Ambers_Crimson_8K]

What are you even talking about? Shutting down Melee events and the much maligned Nintendo creators program where they went after anyone with Nintendo content in their videos started under Iwata's reign.

He was awesome, don't get me wrong, but Nintendo was never your whimsical uncle making toys to bring joy to children the world over. It has always been a business.

Nintendo started their crackdown on YouTube channels in 2013, but didn't act on it right away. Nintendo Program started January 2015, Iwata passed away July 2015.

Nintendo later sued their first YouTube channels with Let's Play videos in 2021, and it's been targeting channels and fans, since then.

His videos were targeted in 2013, no actual lawsuit until 2021. That was after they ended the Creators Program and decided to just start tearing down channels all together.

Only Nintendo channels still out, are those fake ones, where they praise everything Nintendo does, with clickbait thumbnails, but Nintendo is their Lord and Savior and the best thing, since sliced bread channels.

 

[kingaz]

Nintendo started their crackdown on YouTube channels in 2013, but didn't act on it right away. Nintendo Program started January 2015, Iwata passed away July 2015.

Nintendo later sued their first YouTube channels with Let's Play videos in 2021, and it's been targeting channels and fans, since then.

His videos were targeted in 2013, no actual lawsuit until 2021. That was after they ended the Creators Program and decided to just start tearing down channels all together.

Only Nintendo channels still out, are those fake ones, where they praise everything Nintendo does, with clickbait thumbnails, but Nintendo is their Lord and Savior and the best thing, since sliced bread channels.

"Nintendo started their crackdown on Youtube during the Iwata years, but it goes against my narrative, so I'm going to pretend that they actually didn't."

Good heavens.

 

[BlazeHeatnix]

You're comparing getting fined for knowingly, repeatedly, and publicly flouting copyright law with being murdered. Really.

Really.

Whether you get murdered or you're forced to pay hundreds of thousands of dollars and go into insurmountable debt, your life is over either way. Most on this forum would lose their minds if it happened to them. In my case, I'd kill myself. Regardless, the point is that it's obviously morally objectionable to completely fucking destroy someone for pirating your games, especially if you're so obnoxiously rich and profitable that you own three goddamn theme parks. If you don't agree with this, you don't have one iota of a fucking soul.

The precedent, previously, was that only distributing pirated games would get you sued. Now that precedent's been broken and it paints a target on everyone's backs, and nobody seems to fucking care.

I think the better question, is how should Nintendo react to pirates?

If we don't have a generally agreed standard of when a company defending their copyright, crosses the line into 'ruining a person's life'... then there's not much point in continuing this thread.

Are you asking how specifically Nintendo should react? Because Nintendo's annual revenue is just shy of $12b. That's about $30m per day. Nintendo is not the scrawny David who fought the Goliath that was Universal Pictures in 1983. Now they make more revenue than the entirety of Universal Filmed Entertainment, which includes the fucking theme parks. The amount of people pirating Nintendo games compared to purchasing Nintendo products is laughable. The morally correct course of action for them is to not do a single damn thing unless piracy represents an actual (read: actual) threat to their business, which it hasn't since the Wii era. This is the case for every civilized developer and studio outside Nintendo.

Yes, there is a limit to how much money a company, or even an individual, should be allowed to make before piracy no longer represents a moral wrong, in the same way that watching a YT video with Sponsorblock does nothing to hurt a channel with millions of subscribers. And if it's no longer morally wrong, then punishing it cannot be considered morally right. To pretend that Nintendo somehow is above morals and cannot be blamed for their very human decisions simply because "this is what businesses do" is willfully ignorant of how the world works and indicative of a complete lack of a moral compass.

Lumstar, you've said it yourself: we know what the law is. The basis for the law's existence is what needs to be examined here.

 

[RNG_Manipulation]

Nintendo started their crackdown on YouTube channels in 2013, but didn't act on it right away. Nintendo Program started January 2015, Iwata passed away July 2015.

Iwata was the one who personally commissioned and greenlit the Creator Program. Corporate projects, especially ambitious ones, are slow and require a lot of approval. Iwata was the man behind it, no doubt. He died before he could be associated with it.

In my case, I'd kill myself.

Don't. And unless you are intentionally trashing five physical messages from Nintendo and willfully stating intention to commit a crime in a public space associated with your real name, this isn't going to happen to anyone. Nitendo only takes cases they know they can win, and they only cases they know they can win is when the accused is being cartoonishly obvious and obnoxious about it.

 

[Kingofknights]

Whether you get murdered or you're forced to pay hundreds of thousands of dollars and go into insurmountable debt, your life is over either way. Most on this forum would lose their minds if it happened to them. In my case, I'd kill myself. Regardless, the point is that it's obviously morally objectionable to completely fucking destroy someone for pirating your games, especially if you're so obnoxiously rich and profitable that you own three goddamn theme parks. If you don't agree with this, you don't have one iota of a fucking soul.

The precedent, previously, was that only distributing pirated games would get you sued. Now that precedent's been broken and it paints a target on everyone's backs, and nobody seems to fucking care.

Are you asking how specifically Nintendo should react? Because Nintendo's annual revenue is just shy of $12b. That's about $30m per day. Nintendo is not the scrawny David who fought the Goliath that was Universal Pictures in 1983. Now they make more revenue than the entirety of Universal Filmed Entertainment, which includes the fucking theme parks. The amount of people pirating Nintendo games compared to purchasing Nintendo products is laughable. The morally correct course of action for them is to not do a single damn thing unless piracy represents an actual (read: actual) threat to their business, which it hasn't since the Wii era. This is the case for every civilized developer and studio outside Nintendo.

Yes, there is a limit to how much money a company, or even an individual, should be allowed to make before piracy no longer represents a moral wrong, in the same way that watching a YT video with Sponsorblock does nothing to hurt a channel with millions of subscribers. And if it's no longer morally wrong, then punishing it cannot be considered morally right.

To pretend that Nintendo somehow is above morals and cannot be blamed for their very human decisions simply because "this is what businesses do" is willfully ignorant of how the world works and indicative of a complete lack of a moral compass.

bruh, by the time that "actual" threat has happened, it's already too late. If you do not defend your ip, you lose the right to it.

I still can't comprehend the logic that "if you're rich enough then ignore the idiot that keep throwing rock at your house repeatedly with multiple warnings and taunting you everyday because you're much more well off than him".

He did stupid thing, so he pay consequences for his actions. As simple as that. We can discuss what kind of "consequences" should he received but suggesting that there should be NO consequences is crazy man.

 

[BlazeHeatnix]

If you do not defend your ip, you lose the right to it.

That's for if someone actually uses your IP in a paid product, you fucking buffoon. That has nothing to do with consuming pirated media. Even if it did, piracy of media has existed for over 50 years and not one single example across all of human history exists of a company losing their IP from it. But even then, this philosophy that your copyright must be protected and enforced lest you lose it is meant for small inventors getting ripped off by big businesses. It is not designed for gigantic megacorporations to bully the working class. Try to consider that the entire dogma of "if we don't defend our IP we'll lose it" has only ever been parroted by propaganda put out by said megacorporations trying to paint themselves as valiant crusaders fighting for what America stands for or some bullshit like that.

I still can't comprehend the logic that "if you're rich enough then ignore the idiot that keep throwing rock at your house repeatedly with multiple warnings and taunting you everyday because you're much more well off than him".

You call me illogical while simultaneously comparing piracy to throwing rocks at someone's house. I suggest you book into the funny farm.

He did stupid thing, so he pay consequences for his actions. As simple as that. We can discuss what kind of "consequences" should he received but suggesting that there should be NO consequences is crazy man.

Humor me. Let's assume, for the sake of argument, that they did not sue him for piracy. What do you genuinely, honestly believe would happen? Can you look me dead in the eye and tell me, to my face, that Nintendo's profits would suffer? Reminder: they make $30m a day. How much damage to that do you believe this one singular streamer is doing?

Or, is it that you think Nintendo is being robbed of the several millions more they COULD be making if pirates didn't exist? Which is not only a logical fallacy, but entirely fucked up justification on your end.

Don't.

What do you care?

And unless you are intentionally trashing five physical messages from Nintendo

The fact that you gloss over Nintendo physically "sending messages to" (read: stalking) someone's family as if that's totally normal is dystopic as fuck.

Nintendo only takes cases they know they can win, and they only cases they know they can win is when the accused is being cartoonishly obvious and obnoxious about it.

If Disney had chosen to sue the family that wanted to put Spider-Man on their dead child's tombstone, how would you react? It's a blatant violation of their copyright and they would definitely win. They even cited how it was "harmful to their brand". So, go ahead. Justify that for me, in front of God and everyone else.

 

[Dark_Ansem]

Has it been one year already?

 

[Lumstar]

bruh, by the time that "actual" threat has happened, it's already too late. If you do not defend your ip, you lose the right to it.

I still can't comprehend the logic that "if you're rich enough then ignore the idiot that keep throwing rock at your house repeatedly with multiple warnings and taunting you everyday because you're much more well off than him".

He did stupid thing, so he pay consequences for his actions. As simple as that. We can discuss what kind of "consequences" should he received but suggesting that there should be NO consequences is crazy man.

In the US (where this lawsuit was filed as I understand it), copyright infringement for financial gain is a federal crime. I'd presume that means the govt could pursue charges against pirates if they felt like bothering. Whether or not Nintendo acts.

 

[ccfman2004]

We need to STOP giving this guy the attention he wants. He did what he did to gain public notoriety.

 

[Noctosphere]

I don't understand why this news even exists. I mean, of course they would win. And of course that streamer was dumb to do this and expect not to be sued.
The actual big news (and i'm still waiting for a front page news about it), is that Japan court of patents repelled Nintendo's BS patent of monster capture system.

 

[KasaiWolf]

Not a Nintendo fan and tbh I wish he had lost but parading around you are pirating games is utterly dumb.

 

[ccfman2004]

He DID lose.

 

[MadonnaProject]

Sometimes bragging too much lands you in hot water. As anti Nintendo as this thread will probably get can't really blame Nintendo if he goes around admitting playing pirated games before release date at that.

People like you, with mentality like yours, would probably argue a 100 years ago that slavery was justified.

 

[kingaz]

Whether you get murdered or you're forced to pay hundreds of thousands of dollars and go into insurmountable debt, your life is over either way. Most on this forum would lose their minds if it happened to them. In my case, I'd kill myself. Regardless, the point is that it's obviously morally objectionable to completely fucking destroy someone for pirating your games, especially if you're so obnoxiously rich and profitable that you own three goddamn theme parks. If you don't agree with this, you don't have one iota of a fucking soul.

The precedent, previously, was that only distributing pirated games would get you sued. Now that precedent's been broken and it paints a target on everyone's backs, and nobody seems to fucking care.

Histrionics will get you nowhere. We're not talking about hundreds of thousands of dollars, we're talking $17,500, and only after multiple DMCA takedown notices were ignored, multiple platform bans were circumvented, and court summons were also ignored.

Using the threat of self-harm to try and obviate the consequences of malicious actions is an insult to all of us who have struggled with a mental health crisis.

The "precedent" isn't just "oh he pirated a few games, now the corporation is coming for his house." He pirated games before their release date, streamed it, and taunted Nintendo when they told him to stop.

 

[SS4]

Sure they "WON" but given how much money and time/effort they spent its more of a loss on their part given the measly amount owed rofl.
But yeah, the guy didn't help his case by streaming games that aren't out yet lol
In the end Nintendo is still a garbage company and this lawsuit doesn't affect that in the slighest . . .

 

[RNG_Manipulation]

What do you care?

I dislike people killing themselves.

If Disney had chosen to sue the family that wanted to put Spider-Man on their dead child's tombstone, how would you react?

I don't care.

So, go ahead. Justify that for me, in front of God and everyone else.

I'm not a christianist, lmao.

And you weaken your argument by saying you'd kill yourself.

 

[Jayro]

Where's the front page news that Nintendo took a massive L in the pal world lawsuit?

 

[BlazeHeatnix]

Histrionics will get you nowhere. We're not talking about hundreds of thousands of dollars, we're talking $17,500, and only after multiple DMCA takedown notices were ignored, multiple platform bans were circumvented, and court summons were also ignored.

Did you actually read the lawsuit? Nintendo sought $150k in damages, and actually, they sought a settlement of $2.4 million. Millions. And that's on top of all the legal fees. Only the court actually stopped them. Imagine if they hadn't. You and I both know your tone wouldn't change a fucking bit and you'd find some other excuse.

Using the threat of self-harm to try and obviate the consequences of malicious actions is an insult to all of us who have struggled with a mental health crisis.

"Malicious actions" is crazy. DDoSing Nintendo's servers is malicious. Breaking and entering their HQ to steal hardware is malicious. Throwing a molotov through their window is malicious. Piracy? Get real. This isn't the 90s anymore. Piracy does nothing to harm these massive corporations and acting like it's on the same level as actual physical harm is hilarious. No, neither do leaks.

And no, it's not a threat. I'm simply saying that death is preferable to me rather than being saddled with millions in debt from such harmless actions. I think a lot of people would agree.

The "precedent" isn't just "oh he pirated a few games, now the corporation is coming for his house." He pirated games before their release date, streamed it, and taunted Nintendo when they told him to stop.

Oh my god, what a crime! The sheer horror and violence! How will Nintendo recover with their $30m per day!?

I don't care.

So you're just an actual monster, got it.

 

[RNG_Manipulation]

So you're just an actual monster, got it.

So you think.