Saying NO to fascists/nazis - if you are one of those, you are not welcome here

[Paralel]

Any form of extremism is not allowed here.

This would probably be a better way to phrase things.

 

[Foxi4]

This would probably be a better way to phrase things.

That’s the overall stance, yes. Nazism and Fascism get a special mention since we’ve seen an uptick in those two baskets and this is the reaction. The administration did the same thing when we saw an uptick in propaganda posts. Just keeping a finger on the pulse.

 

[Xzi]

The people *you* support did that for the reasons *you* listed, and they keep propping up online oligopolies that make it untenable to build any sort of alternative infrastructure (via debanking, among other things). I’m afraid that progressives made their own bed and now they’re going to have to learn how to use a Block button or how to close a tab when they get upset. The Internet is for everyone, including people you don’t like interacting with - you don’t have to interact with them if you don’t want to. You’re more than welcome to be a part of a more closed community (like ours here) that is more selective about membership.

The internet can and has been open to civil and nuanced discourse from all viewpoints, but MAGA has completed obliterated whatever little ability the right had remaining to engage in that manner. There's nothing to discuss with someone who has the same concept of freedom of speech as Elon Musk, because all they do is spam slurs with capslock on.

The right used to believe in personal responsibility and individual freedoms, that was something worth engaging with and elaborating upon, even if it's an abstract I didn't necessarily agree with the specifics on.

 

[Foxi4]

The internet can and has been open to civil and nuanced discourse from all viewpoints, but MAGA has completed obliterated whatever little ability the right had remaining to engage in that manner. There's nothing to discuss with someone who has the same concept of freedom of speech as Elon Musk, because all they do is spam slurs with capslock on.

The right used to believe in personal responsibility and individual freedoms, that was something worth engaging with and elaborating upon, even if it's an abstract I didn't necessarily agree with in its entirety.

We’ll have to agree to disagree then because my definition of freedom of speech includes, or is in fact oriented around the kind of speech that makes people uncomfortable. That’s the only speech worth defending - speech that doesn’t rock the boat doesn’t need to be defended, it’s not being assailed. Painting the entirety of your opposition with one broad stroke and reducing it to a comical stereotype because you’re not willing to engage with their arguments is intellectually slovenly. Your opposition already knows that putting any effort into arguing with progressives is pointless because the end result is getting called a slur all the same. They’re just going to act out as I described earlier because it gets people’s panties in a twist, which is a much better, much funnier end result than having a conversation with a wall. This kind of stereotyping is exactly what loses elections, exhaustion has firmly set in. Calling someone a Nazi or a Fascist is not a convenient replacement for a cogent argument when they’re not actually a Nazi or a Fascist.

 

[Xzi]

We’ll have to agree to disagree then because my definition of freedom of speech includes, or is in fact oriented around the kind of speech that makes people uncomfortable. That’s the only speech worth defending - speech that doesn’t rock the boat doesn’t need to be defended, it’s not being assailed.

That's exactly it: righties responding to long, thought-out posts with just a slur are doing so because they don't have the presence of mind for anything else. The intent is to silence any form of basic or higher intellectualism because it makes them uncomfortable when they can't fully process it, and therefore don't have a means of properly refuting it. I suppose in the end you just have to know your audience, though, and not bother engaging with people who have no interest in good faith discussion to begin with.

 

[Foxi4]

That's exactly it: righties responding to long, thought-out posts with just a slur are doing so because they don't have the presence of mind for anything else. The intent is to silence any form of basic or higher intellectualism because it makes them uncomfortable when they can't fully process it, and therefore don't have a means of properly refuting it. I suppose in the end you just have to know your audience, though, and not bother engaging with people who have no interest in good faith discussion to begin with.

If that’s what you like to think, that’s fine. The political right has been browbeaten into quiet compliance for three decades now, they’ve lost any interest in “having conversations”. If progressives want to have “intellectual conversations” again (they don’t, they just want to explain how everyone is “thinking wrong”) it’s incumbent on them to attempt establishing dialogue at this point because it was the progressives who marginalised perfectly moderate conservatives with perfectly moderate opinions. This isn’t the right venue to discuss political polarisation, but as far as I’m concerned, this is a perfectly normal reaction to the trend.

 

[SeltzerMist]

The political right has been browbeaten into quiet compliance for three decades now

LMAO what a crock of shit dude they're neither quiet or compliant and that's been an issue for over a decade now.

 

[zekro94]

The internet when we grew up was far more decentralized, it was easy for everybody to find their own niche and avoid dipshit edgelords trying to label everything outside of their comfort zone as "woke." Now that there are a total of about ten prominent websites, it's instead easy for governments and corporate interests to control/manipulate the flow of information, and the brainless masses parrot the same narratives pushed by bot farms. Like I said, these kids haven't established a permanent political identity of their own yet, but if they are being raised by social media 90% of the time, they never stood a chance to begin with. I'm not personally a victim, but we all suffer the consequences of brain drain on such a large scale.

Regarding this, while growing up and surfing the web I never saw anything political in any forum, politics were just not an interesting conversation point and everyone was just enjoying the web. Still, things did get a bit woke in time, whether you like it or not. If I remember right it kinda started with the social justice warriors. However nowadays the internet is worse than before because of politics, whether it be right wing or left wing

 

[Deleted member 705600]

Regarding this, while growing up and surfing the web I never saw anything political in any forum, politics were just not an interesting conversation point and everyone was just enjoying the web. Still, things did get a bit woke in time, whether you like it or not. If I remember right it kinda started with the social justice warriors. However nowadays the internet is worse than before because of politics, whether it be right wing or left wing

I think it's on the nature of life for certain ideologies to just become a dominant idea for a period of time, regardless if it's healthy or not. Doesn't help the internet it's a pretty centralized space now.

I also think people took Twitter and the people in it too seriously, and that created a generation of people who rage at the idea of anything slightly progressive. Loud minority, if you will

I don't know, people like to be anything but self-aware, and that creates annoyance

 

[ChibiMofo]

Regarding this, while growing up and surfing the web I never saw anything political in any forum, politics were just not an interesting conversation point and everyone was just enjoying the web. Still, things did get a bit woke in time, whether you like it or not. If I remember right it kinda started with the social justice warriors. However nowadays the internet is worse than before because of politics, whether it be right wing or left wing

LOL! I've been on the 'Net since '90 (usenet), and politics was all over the place from the beginning. Politics have always been an interesting conversation point, and you may well have been tuned out but do you really think people weren't being keyboard warriors during, for example, the ludicrous impeachment of Clinton over his affair with Monica Lewinsky??? You are looking back on a past that never existed. And keep in mind that using that term "woke" makes it clear how extreme your views actually are. As is your ludicrous assertion that people who fight for equality and rights for those who are not millionaire white guys started all of this. You really lack a grip on reality. Not atypical for right-wingers.

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We’ll have to agree to disagree then because my definition of freedom of speech includes, or is in fact oriented around the kind of speech that makes people uncomfortable. That’s the only speech worth defending - speech that doesn’t rock the boat doesn’t need to be defended, it’s not being assailed. Painting the entirety of your opposition with one broad stroke and reducing it to a comical stereotype because you’re not willing to engage with their arguments is intellectually slovenly. Your opposition already knows that putting any effort into arguing with progressives is pointless because the end result is getting called a slur all the same. They’re just going to act out as I described earlier because it gets people’s panties in a twist, which is a much better, much funnier end result than having a conversation with a wall. This kind of stereotyping is exactly what loses elections, exhaustion has firmly set in. Calling someone a Nazi or a Fascist is not a convenient replacement for a cogent argument when they’re not actually a Nazi or a Fascist.

Never forget that "freedom of speech" refers to GOVERNMENTS which limit that, not private enterprises such as GBATemp. This website has absolutely no obligation whatsoever to guarantee "free speech" on behalf of those who post here.

The legal definition of it applying to governments is the only definition that matters; there is NO "free speech" argument to be made against GBATemp nor can their be.

 

[Foxi4]

LMAO what a crock of shit dude they're neither quiet or compliant and that's been an issue for over a decade now.

Why would they be quiet any longer? They don’t have to “have conversations” with you guys, they control every branch of government and aren’t interested in what you have to say, just like you weren’t interested in what they had to say under Biden or Obama. When Bush was president, you called him Little Hitler. When Trump was in his first term you called him Orange Hitler. Now that he’s on his second term, don’t expect the name to have any power over anyone anymore, you’ve overplayed your hand.

Never forget that "freedom of speech" refers to GOVERNMENTS which limit that, not private enterprises such as GBATemp. This website has absolutely no obligation whatsoever to guarantee "free speech" on behalf of those who post here.

The legal definition of it applying to governments is the only definition that matters; there is NO "free speech" argument to be made against GBATemp nor can their be.

I never claimed otherwise. Quite the opposite - I suggested that if someone wants an insulated experience, insular communities are what they should be aiming at. The argument is entirely about the Internet in its totality, which is for everyone.

 

[SeltzerMist]

When were they quiet in the first place? They haven't shut the fuck up since Obama won and they had that reactionary cringe "tea party" movement

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When Trump was in his first term you called him Orange Hitler. Now that he’s on his second term, don’t expect the name to have any power over anyone anymore, you’ve overplayed your hand.

Trump has on numerous occasions paraphrased Hitler and has made numerous racist remarks over the last decade, not to mention his recent "migrants are eating cats and dogs"

I don't think you have any idea what the fuck you're even talking about here dude, at least when it comes to right wing ideology in the US since 2009.

 

[Foxi4]

When were they quiet in the first place? They haven't shut the fuck up since Obama won and they had that reactionary cringe "tea party" movement

They were toothless because any opinion that didn’t align with the status quo was banished into the shadow realm. It’s not even some kind of secret, Congress had entire hearings about prominent accounts getting algorithmically deboosted at the behest of government. Now the reverse is happening, so the volume is increased, but the actual content is very much the same as it always has been. You shouldn’t be surprised by “a sudden change of sentiment” just because you were shielded by filter bubbles all this time.

Trump has on numerous occasions paraphrased Hitler and has made numerous racist remarks over the last decade, not to mention his recent "migrants are eating cats and dogs"

I don't think you have any idea what the fuck you're even talking about here dude, at least when it comes to right wing ideology in the US since 2009.

I hear Hitler was also a big fan of drinking water. Coincidence? I think not!

 

[The Catboy]

far left as in antifa and groups that fight people for there views aka peaceful protest.

i really like this form i would have been banned for a few things i have said on here if this was reddit. it nice to see open and respectful debates

Ok, so the same shit that everyone says when they bring up “the left”

 

[Xzi]

The political right has been browbeaten into quiet compliance for three decades now

I have no idea how events unfolded in the rest of the of the world, but from a US perspective that's absolute nonsense. The right-wing dominated the discourse from 2000 to 2010, and only had the good sense to quiet down a bit after GWB's actions proved catastrophic both for our country and the rest of the world. Clearly no lessons were learned from that for the long-term though, as we're now back to doubling and tripling down on his worst policies under Trump, and the far right loonies have a taller platform and a bigger megaphone than ever before.

 

[zekro94]

LOL! I've been on the 'Net since '90 (usenet), and politics was all over the place from the beginning. Politics have always been an interesting conversation point, and you may well have been tuned out but do you really think people weren't being keyboard warriors during, for example, the ludicrous impeachment of Clinton over his affair with Monica Lewinsky??? You are looking back on a past that never existed. And keep in mind that using that term "woke" makes it clear how extreme your views actually are. As is your ludicrous assertion that people who fight for equality and rights for those who are not millionaire white guys started all of this. You really lack a grip on reality. Not atypical for right-wingers.

I'm not a right winger, nor left wing. I honestly don't have a political affiliation so what a way to label someone just because I was sharing my experience while growing up. Remember, at that time the world wasn't as connected as it is now so people in Europe wouldn't care about USA politics as much as nowadays. I learned about clinton and lewinsky just a few years ago.

I mean it when I say that people weren't as interested in politics before compared to nowadays, because that's what it felt like

 

[Foxi4]

I have no idea how events unfolded in the rest of the of the world, but from a US perspective that's absolute nonsense. The right-wing dominated the discourse from 2000 to 2010, and only had the good sense to quiet down a bit after GWB's actions proved catastrophic both for our country and the rest of the world. Clearly no lessons were learned from that for the long-term though, as we're now back to doubling and tripling down on his worst policies under Trump, and the far right loonies have a taller platform and a bigger megaphone than ever before.

…and the way progressives are going about it adds another brick to that platform every single day, which is why the DNC is now working hard to recover from their lowest favourability rating in history, measured at 29% in March. At some point you guys will have to agree that there’s some kind of disconnect between your side of the political establishment and gen pop. *Something* you guys are doing in terms of public discourse is acting as a powerful repellent to the average voter. Your opposition is more than happy to tell you what that is, all you have to do is ask nicely.

I'm not a right winger, nor left wing. I honestly don't have a political affiliation so what a way to label someone just because I was sharing my experience while growing up. Remember, at that time the world wasn't as connected as it is now so people in Europe wouldn't care about USA politics as much as nowadays. I learned about clinton and lewinsky just a few years ago.

I mean it when I say that people weren't as interested in politics before compared to nowadays, because that's what it felt like

Notice how the first instinct here was to tell you that the way you feel is wrong and to imply that your opinion is not simply a different point of view, but rather a ludicrous moral failing. This is *exactly* what I’m talking about. Nobody in their right mind would have a discussion on these terms of engagement. Not in earnest anyway.

 

[zekro94]

Notice how the first instinct here was to tell you that the way you feel is wrong and to imply that your opinion is not simply a different point of view, but rather a ludicrous moral failing. This is *exactly* what I’m talking about. Nobody in their right mind would have a discussion on these terms of engagement. Not in earnest anyway.

Indeed, it's quite sad that nowadays people don't respect others opinion. It shouldn't be "Well you're wrong because you don't think like me" and instead it should be "I don't share your opinion, you do you" and that's it. People get tangled in all this right vs left thing and they forget their empathy

 

[Foxi4]

Indeed, it's quite sad that nowadays people don't respect others opinion. It shouldn't be "Well you're wrong because you don't think like me" and instead it should be "I don't share your opinion, you do you" and that's it. People get tangled in all this right vs left thing and they forget their empathy

It’s just not a very good way to start a conversation, it’s childish. My experience was very much the same, and for good reason. The political spectrum *wasn’t* as polarised as it is now and people were more keen to meet somewhere in the middle. You’re *not* hallucinating, this was already established by prominent researchers. The graph needs to be tapped over and over again until the situation improves.

 

[Vixi]

They were toothless because any opinion that didn’t align with the status quo was banished into the shadow realm.

Their bullshit was allover my youtube feed. One of their main talking points of course being silenced by youtube, which kept showing them to me as I ate their shit up.
Even if I cleared cookies, all it took was watching a few gaming videos and they would start showing up again.

Eventually my critically thinking brain, which they remind me I have and liberals don't have, just found too many red flags, from mIsinformation about subjects I'm intimately experienced with, to the fact that they keep claiming they're being censored on a platform that's showing them to me.

Thank goodness for Freetube. Though, even though I have no personal algorithm on Freetube, I still see their noise crop up in the recommended sidebar every now and then.

Is this shadow realm you speak of somewhere down my throat?