Misc So, is the left wing good or not?

[baobao43]

Depends if we are we talking universal healthcare left or Red Terror and gulag left. Are we talking just having some social security nets or one party rule and all your property belongs to us now?

 

[Smoker1]

I do have an issue with the "just because" bit. To what extent does this cover? Irresponsible couples, whether adult or teenagers? Should the woman be forced to carry and delivery as punishment? Should the couple be forced to raise the child? The result I see of this in the end is that the child gets punished for existing, whether they live with irresponsible parents who didn't want them or get sent to an orphanage. What would be considered irresponsible anyways? Just having sex that results in a pregnancy? A responsible couple could take many avenues towards preventing a pregnancy, and still end up with one.

As far as gun rights are concerned, I believe people should be allowed to bear arms. But it seems there is the situation where every Tom, Dick, Harry and Tiny Tim can easily get access to them, including firearms that probably shouldn't be available to the general public.

Just because they want to mess around, but dont want to deal with Pregnancy.

As for the Guns, easily get access to? You mean Black Market, or Stealing? If you do not have a Criminal Record, why should it be harder for you to get something just in case you need to Defend yourself, your Family, Home, or someone who is unable to Defend themselves? No one has the "Right" or "Authority" to say, "No!!! Dont Fight back. Just be a good little Helpless, Defenseless, Potential Victim!".

As for Weapons they should not have, there is a NFA Listing. Automatics are Baned, so no one can get them, unless you Pay a Tax or Fee like no other, and go through an even bigger Background Check. Under a Background Check, it includes Federal and State. So unless there is Proof that someone with a Record can just magically Pass one, it is highly unlikely Criminals are getting Weapons from Legitimate Dealers (would result in losing their Business, pay a Fine, oh, and Federal Charges resulting in Prison).
=== However, there are a few Incidents that I am Questioning and have a VERY Valid Question due to those Incidents.

 

[Moe87]

They have pros and cons.

The pros about Universal healthcare is everyone, including poor and homeless get covered but cons are high tax and/or subpar healthcare quality, so in the US, it would be either Medicaid for all or Medicare for all, and as for Medicaid, there is expect to see subpar healthcare quality in poor states like Alabama. Generous universal healthcare require very high tax.

If voters want universal healthcare but don't want to pay high tax, so they expect to have cheap and restrictive healthcare, akin to HMO, so they can't find any doctors that they like and they have to find one that is in network.

That is tricky job for politicians to deal with it.

 

[titan_tim]

The way I've always seen it as is one side is hoping for the best (The left), and the other side is expecting the worst (The right).

You can't really say one side is worse than the other. One is for social support and the other is for fiscal responsibility. It's meant to be a balance of both. People WILL fail in a society, so you need a social net to help them get back on their feet. People WILL want to make money and not taxed too much, while having those taxes benefit themselves.

There are a lot of countries where the left wants to help EVERYONE and bring in lots of immigrants, which can cause some obvious short term issues (Crime and integration problems). If done well, that immigration can help with population increase and case future generations to be grateful for a system which helped their parents and grandparents. If done poorly, those people will be marginalized and kept to the bottom rungs of society, which can cause more problems.

 

[DiscostewSM]

They have pros and cons.

The pros about Universal healthcare is everyone, including poor and homeless get covered but cons are high tax and/or subpar healthcare quality, so in the US, it would be either Medicaid for all or Medicare for all, and as for Medicaid, there is expect to see subpar healthcare quality in poor states like Alabama. Generous universal healthcare require very high tax.

If voters want universal healthcare but don't want to pay high tax, so they expect to have cheap and restrictive healthcare, akin to HMO, so they can't find any doctors that they like and they have to find one that is in network.

That is tricky job for politicians to deal with it.

Heh, if the rich paid their fair share of taxes.....

 

[titan_tim]

Heh, if the rich paid their fair share of taxes.....

Sheesh, if that happened, then the US could pay for every social service they could hope for for decades!

Unfortunately, the rich in the US have propaganda to help them spread the narrative that they pay too much already (All while hiding their wealth in stocks and off-shore accounts).

 

[gnmmarechal]

I do have an issue with the "just because" bit. To what extent does this cover? Irresponsible couples, whether adult or teenagers? Should the woman be forced to carry and delivery as punishment? Should the couple be forced to raise the child? The result I see of this in the end is that the child gets punished for existing, whether they live with irresponsible parents who didn't want them or get sent to an orphanage. What would be considered irresponsible anyways? Just having sex that results in a pregnancy? A responsible couple could take many avenues towards preventing a pregnancy, and still end up with one.

As far as gun rights are concerned, I believe people should be allowed to bear arms. But it seems there is the situation where every Tom, Dick, Harry and Tiny Tim can easily get access to them, including firearms that probably shouldn't be available to the general public.

The whole pro-life argument is amusing when you consider that for the most part they stop giving a shit about "life being sacred" the moment a child is born. Who gives a fuck if the would-be parents have the means to raise a child properly, or if the child would be mistreated innit

 

[plasturion]

The best is negative/critical thinking and positive acting is the only way to move on in most effiecient way.
Also the best way is not to hide after any political option or fake ideology, because politicans pretend that they does.
Rich people could do much to a country without any election or waiting of which far rightenous or far leftists
will be greater. It's a democratic trick of divide and conquer that should be penalized the most, that in fact
helps to keep total power. It's more about colective mentality thing, that should never keeps guard down
and that's almost impossible if you are not political incorrect. Truth doesn't belong to any closed capsule or relativity,
and also never fit to the rules of mass control. Is just out there. Also still keeping an Agenda 2030 the same priors,
where in the outcome nothing works looks stupid for those who belive in evolution.

 

[Moe87]

Heh, if the rich paid their fair share of taxes.....

Welcome to American political system, so there isn't much for me to say.

 

[Immortallix]

Australia is very left wing and life is good here. Live is easy compared to the U.S. or India or whatever else.

Curious if someone is up to the task of breaking down why life in India is not good.

 

[BigOnYa]

Curious if someone is up to the task of breaking down why life in India is not good.

Thats easy, India population - 1,450,935,791 people.

 

[TomSwitch]

Thats easy, India population - 1,450,935,791 people.

Malthusian economics, proposed by Thomas Malthus in the late 18th century. He argued that population growth tends to outpace food production, leading to cycles where humans reproduce until resources like food become scarce, resulting in famine, disease, or other population checks.

Malthusian pressures remain a reality in many parts of the world, particularly in regions facing poverty, conflict, or environmental challenges.

 

[SeltzerMist]

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...flags-desantis-sign-disney-world/70310731007/

Whatever party DeSantis is part of is the bad one

 

[TomSwitch]

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...flags-desantis-sign-disney-world/70310731007/

Whatever party DeSantis is part of is the bad one

Enemy of not white snow white is your enemy? I hope Moana 2 is going to be free from Woke Virus.

When relative unknown Prince Florian is named a stalker you know men are not safe in that place.

 

[Deleted member 705600]

Since I the left wing is in favor of people's rights it should be good, but most if not all countries that have left wing governments (such as most of latin america) are in a poor state while countries with right wing governments are in a better state in comparison despite the fact that people hate the right wing and im now confused.

The reality is that independently of labels, in the end is a Sisyphean task to try to understand the whole picture of why politics are the way they are. Most, or even all of politics (specially looking at the internal conflicts of representative democracies) are moved and defined by a mix of sudden events, personal interest, money, corruption, etc

It can be also a pretty big mistake to actually try to put politics as a concept as a two way street. Of course is easy to remember and catalogue things, but most of the time I actually don't find it useful. Like others already said, right and left wing mean different things around the world, and are not the full picture of it all

We have examples of this in both and all directions of the political spectrum. Why are left wing politics are failing in Latin America? Well, I cannot answer to that, each country has its own answer, and each one its own circumstances and historical context.

I will say in my experience, people are really smug, and petty, and it's ugly to see such a disregard to try to see more than just the cover of why we believe things and why we think they are right. I would normally not put my opinion in a political thread like this because it tends to be just a whole can of trash, but I know you are young, and probably dealing with the consequences of the actions of people before your time.

Be kind to others please, don't let your heart get consumed by rage and infighting. Cheers

 

[Viri]

Curious if someone is up to the task of breaking down why life in India is not good.

Because they live in a country with over a billion people.

 

[TomSwitch]

The reality is that independently of labels, in the end is a Sisyphean task to try to understand the whole picture of why politics are the way they are. Most, or even all of politics (specially looking at the internal conflicts of representative democracies) are moved and defined by a mix of sudden events, personal interest, money, corruption, etc

It can be also a pretty big mistake to actually try to put politics as a concept as a two way street. Of course is easy to remember and catalogue things, but most of the time I actually don't find it useful. Like others already said, right and left wing mean different things around the world, and are not the full picture of it all

We have examples of this in both and all directions of the political spectrum. Why are left wing politics are failing in Latin America? Well, I cannot answer to that, each country has its own answer, and each one its own circumstances and historical context.

I will say in my experience, people are really smug, and petty, and it's ugly to see such a disregard to try to see more than just the cover of why we believe things and why we think they are right. I would normally not put my opinion in a political thread like this because it tends to be just a whole can of trash, but I know you are young, and probably dealing with the consequences of the actions of people before your time.

Be kind to others please, don't let your heart get consumed by rage and infighting. Cheers

Current US politics is designed to distract people. When they don't occupy people with something they may start to question something that is threatening. Killing these people may invite even more questions.

 

[SeltzerMist]

Enemy of not white snow white is your enemy? I hope Moana 2 is going to be free from Woke Virus.

When relative unknown Prince Florian is named a stalker you know men are not safe in that place.

Can someone translate this?

 

[TomSwitch]

Left used to be good. Now Biden want to leave Trump with escalation towards WW3.

 

[SeltzerMist]

Nah it's fine Trump said he'd end it in a day so hold him accountable to that