Force normal mode instead of extended-memory mode?

[Ondrashek06]

3DSs take quite a long time to boot, and it's a pain to wait like 2 minutes for a single game to shut down. But I can tolerate it, as the mode means that it's not New3DS exclusive.

And then there are games like CTGP-7, which have functioned completely normally until some idiot in development decided "hey, why not turn extended-memory on to make old3DS users suffer?"

So basically, is there a way to force a game into NOT using the extended-memory mode?

 

[The Catboy]

Chances are high that they turned this function on because the mod uses more resources than the old3DS has available through normal boot. I would honestly recommend trusting the developer’s decision on this one over assuming they were being dumb

 

[Ondrashek06]

Chances are high that they turned this function on because the mod uses more resources than the old3DS has available through normal boot. I would honestly recommend trusting the developer’s decision on this one over assuming they were being dumb

I just want to know how to bypass it. Then I'll see if the decision was valid.

Post automatically merged: May 13, 2023

Especially considering that my previous thread asking WHY was it put in was just ignored and buried.

 

[AleronIves]

Developers don't owe you explanations or anything else. If you don't like their projects, then don't use them.

And then there are games like CTGP-7, which have functioned completely normally until some idiot in development decided "hey, why not turn extended-memory on to make old3DS users suffer?"

Of course! How could nobody have seen this before? CTGP7 doesn't need more memory to make custom features work on O3DS; the developers are just trying to annoy you, because everything is about you! It's all so clear now!

 

[The Catboy]

I just want to know how to bypass it. Then I'll see if the decision was valid.

Post automatically merged: May 13, 2023

Especially considering that my previous thread asking WHY was it put in was just ignored and buried.

It got buried because you are demanding a dev comply with your extremely stupid request. They expanded it for a reason, sorry you have an old3DS that requires additional resources to function for the mods. Maybe you should try asking in the thread why they felt the need to run the mod pack in extended memory mode on the 3DS instead of being rude and thinking you know better
https://gbatemp.net/threads/mario-kart-7-custom-track-grand-prix-7-ctgp-7.396936/
But to answer your question before you go annoying them in the thread. The reason for the expanded memory mode is that this mod pack needs additional resources to function. When loading mods, cheats, and anything else external into a game, those will be loaded in RAM as well. In small cases like cheats or one or two mods, they will most likely only need a few additional resources but not more than the stock resources used by the game. For example, removing outlines from Pokemon games isn't going to be that labor-intensive on the resources. But when loading large amounts of additional mods, like the CTGP-7 mod pack, more resources are going to be needed. The 3DS stock amount of resources used by Mario Kart is very low, thus they need to tap into expanded memory mode to load in the entire mod pack. Without expanded memory either the pack crashes completely or lags/glitches. Simply put, if you want the mod pack to run then you need to be willing to allocate the resources for it to run. Either that or make a gimped version of the mod pack that doesn't require expanded memory mode.

 

[Ondrashek06]

It got buried because you are demanding a dev comply with your extremely stupid request. They expanded it for a reason, sorry you have an old3DS that requires additional resources to function for the mods. Maybe you should try asking in the thread why they felt the need to run the mod pack in extended memory mode on the 3DS instead of being rude and thinking you know better
https://gbatemp.net/threads/mario-kart-7-custom-track-grand-prix-7-ctgp-7.396936/
But to answer your question before you go annoying them in the thread. The reason for the expanded memory mode is that this mod pack needs additional resources to function. When loading mods, cheats, and anything else external into a game, those will be loaded in RAM as well. In small cases like cheats or one or two mods, they will most likely only need a few additional resources but not more than the stock resources used by the game. For example, removing outlines from Pokemon games isn't going to be that labor-intensive on the resources. But when loading large amounts of additional mods, like the CTGP-7 mod pack, more resources are going to be needed. The 3DS stock amount of resources used by Mario Kart is very low, thus they need to tap into expanded memory mode to load in the entire mod pack. Without expanded memory either the pack crashes completely or lags/glitches. Simply put, if you want the mod pack to run then you need to be willing to allocate the resources for it to run. Either that or make a gimped version of the mod pack that doesn't require expanded memory mode.

You seem to completely ignore the fact that the game ran completely normally in the normal mode before V1.4.whatever. And the patch notes have explicitly stated that the flag to boot it in extended memory was added "just in case".

 

[KleinesSinchen]

How often are you switching between games that the reboot time matters?
*Remembers waiting for games loading from 5.25" floppy disks on Commodore 64* That can be painfully boring.

Better a reboot to get additional RAM "just in case" than risking out-of-memory errors for an increasingly complex thing. Would it be better to make the game New series 2/3DS only, instead of making the most of the limited Old series?

 

[Ondrashek06]

How often are you switching between games that the reboot time matters?
*Remembers waiting for games loading from 5.25" floppy disks on Commodore 64* That can be painfully boring.

Better a reboot to get additional RAM "just in case" than risking out-of-memory errors for an increasingly complex thing. Would it be better to make the game New series 2/3DS only, instead of making the most of the limited Old series?

Quite often... the normal mode is designed for fast game exiting and entering, but CTGP-7 seems to have a problem with that.

 

[AmandaRose]

*Remembers waiting for games loading from 5.25" floppy disks on Commodore 64* That can be painfully boring.

Even worse was the ZX Spectrum and it's games on tape that I had. You had to wait about 5 mins for the game to load to the title screen then you would start the game then have to wait another few minutes for the first level to load. You finish the level then another two minutes wait for the next level to load and so on. Sometimes the title screen wouldn't even load at all and you would have to start the whole process again lol.

I swear kids these days have zero patience. And would never have survived in the old 8bit days

 

[The Catboy]

You seem to completely ignore the fact that the game ran completely normally in the normal mode before V1.4.whatever. And the patch notes have explicitly stated that the flag to boot it in extended memory was added "just in case".

So you literally got your answer in the patch notes.

 

[Ondrashek06]

So you literally got your answer in the patch notes.

No, I didn't...? I was asking how to bypass it, not why was it added.

 

[The Catboy]

No, I didn't...? I was asking how to bypass it, not why was it added.

Oh sorry, the answer is that you bypass it by downgrading to the versions before 1.4

 

[rcpd]

Oh sorry, the answer is that you bypass it by downgrading to the versions before 1.4

This is the only real answer.

Here’s the last version of 1.3. Use it and don’t update: https://github.com/PabloMK7/CTGP-7updates/releases/tag/v1.3.32

 

[Ondrashek06]

This is the only real answer.

Here’s the last version of 1.3. Use it and don’t update: https://github.com/PabloMK7/CTGP-7updates/releases/tag/v1.3.32

I've tried downgrading, problem is that it mostly doesn't allow me to do so. Also, all that this github contains is only a text-file of which files to pull from the servers. That's not the full installation.

 

[RandomMan25XX]

If this is how you react to CTGP-7 using extended memory mode I can only wonder how you'd react to other games that use it as well, it's likely that due to additions made to the mod as well as further extra features and what not that have been added to the newer versions have necessitated the need to use extended memory mode, it's not that big of a deal and it hardly takes that long to reboot out of extended memory mode

 

[The Catboy]

I've tried downgrading, problem is that it mostly doesn't allow me to do so. Also, all that this github contains is only a text-file of which files to pull from the servers. That's not the full installation.

That’s rough.
Looking over the changes, there’s definitely been more added and changed. My previous post covers the reason why expanded memory mode was most likely added. That said, the dev isn’t obligated to tell you how to disable it nor explain why it’s enabled. You are not entitled to “test it yourself”

 

[Ondrashek06]

You are not entitled to “test it yourself”

Since when I'm not allowed to do what I want with the hardware that I own?

 

[AleronIves]

You're free to use an old version that doesn't need EMM, use the current version that does, or modify the code yourself to suit your purposes. You are not entitled to demand that developers cater to your whims.

 

[The Catboy]

Since when I'm not allowed to do what I want with the hardware that I own?

I didn't say you weren't allowed to do whatever you want with your 3DS. You are just not entitled to make demands on a project that isn't yours and the dev already gave a reason for their decision. You are not entitled to demand something different from his project just for yourself to mess around with.

 

[Ondrashek06]

You're free to use an old version that doesn't need EMM, use the current version that does, or modify the code yourself to suit your purposes. You are not entitled to demand that developers cater to your whims.

Tell me HOW to use an old version and I'll gladly do that.