The evolution of tolerance

If this thread needs to be locked that's chill. I don't mean to start anything by saying any of this, but if people click on it, arguments will start.
Anyway, in light of a recent thread, I have been thinking of the idea of tolerance and how it has changed over the years.

You see, at some point tolerance was about learning how to exist with people you don't like. If some white guy didn't like Arabs because he thought they were staining the country's reputation, that was valid as long as he didn't act out in ways that actually damaged the Arabs (i.e. Terrorism). It was perfectly fine for him to say his opinion and even if he lost a friend, the world still moved on and let him have his hatred.

Nowadays, tolerance means that you must accept everyone's lifestyle as equally valid even if it goes against your own. You have to learn to like people you don't like and heaven forbid you say anything about it. If the guy from above mentions his hatred for Arabs (A completely arbitrary example btw), he is now "cancelled" by the rest of society. His free speech is stripped from him because "sure he can say it, but it was really offensive".

This isn't tolerance. This is forcing agendas. There is serious oppression going on the world. People are tortured or dying and all we can focus on is somebody's tweet. In conclusion, tolerance is bull.
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leon315
THE LAST ONE GOT DELETED, dude, u sure was worth it ur time for this non-sense??
if tc really want things to change, you should study and become a politician
 
Apathetic_Discord
Your suggestion is to study and become a politician? Of all the suggestions you could make, you think a politician isn't driven by agenda based/biased actions and behaviour?
 
Purple_Shyguy
>"you are free to think what you like"

Until you offend the thin-skin hate mob then they come for you to be censored, call for you to be fired from your job, your life ruined, and maybe even have the police investigate you. All while they claim THEY are the tolerant loving caring side ;)
 
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Apathetic_Discord
I think that is the problem. "Hate speech" has kinda devolved from it's original definition to something more akin to "This is my opinion, and any opinion that differs to mine is hate speech."
And yeah, I would say that there are good examples of hate speech out there, but now-a-days, like TC states, most of it is agenda-driven with the intention of drowning out any opinion that goes against there own, which is a shame.
 
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ThoD
People are idiots, let's get that out of the way first. As for tolerance, it's not that it has evolved, it's just retards mistaking tolerance for acceptance, those are two COMPLETELY different things! Tolerance means you tolerate something, as in putting up with it, it still annoys/irritates/pisses you off/etc., but you bear with it and don't try to fight against it, instead letting it be. For example you tolerate an asshole smoking in public even if you hate the smell of smoke. On the other hand, acceptance means understanding and welcoming the thing in question, as in liking it in a way and it no longer annoys you. For example, society now accepts gays/lesbians without hunting them down like we did in the early 2000s, not only they don't annoy us for being who they want to be but we don't treat them any differently and don't harbor any malice either.
 
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Minox
Hate breeds more hate. You'll never convince anyone to stop hating by hating their entire being in return.
 
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Apathetic_Discord
As Minox states, at it's core, the best you'll get is Mutual Destruction, and this in itself has already been seen, and it's effects felt.
 
Apathetic_Discord
@matthi321

Yes, and yet that seems to be the driving force for most of the "outrage". Doesn't really matter what the intentions are behind a statement you make, if, on its surface, the other party interpret it as going against their belief or opinion, it is instinctively labelled as offensive. Once again, granted there can be examples of where the intention behind a statement is obvious, but there are just as many examples to the former as the latter.
 
FGFlann
In terms of human behaviour this isn't a new phenomenon. You hear about it more now because the online and offline social worlds have bled together. Everyone's social sphere has expanded to encompass hundreds of thousands of strangers that can interact with you at any moment. The busybody that may have been your neighbour, sticking their nose in your business, is now on twitter and has brought all their furious, self-righteous friends with them.

However, if the thread in question is the one that was recently locked. I would ask you to consider whether the statement that was made constitutes "acting out". Such a broad encompassing, public accusation is a little more than simply holding an opinion, in my humble opinion.

The best way to evaluate this kind of idea is to engage in a simple thought exercise and put yourself in that position. If you still find your position unchanged you should lay out your case as to why making that statement doesn't cross the bounds into an overt act.
 
The Catboy
Tolerance of intolerance only kills freedom. There's no reason to tolerate someone who hates an entire group of people for arbitrary reasons just because they are free to do so. Equally, no one is killing freedom of speech but shutting down a shitty person, that person is still free to be shitty but that doesn't mean freedom to a platform. Contradictory to popular opinion, freedom of speech does not mean freedom to a platform.
 
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SecureBoot
Mods, I am aware that the following post my result in a ban but I seriously have no ill intention

Consider this, homosexuality is against my religion. I will never try to force someone to stop being gay or tell them to go to hell. Heck, I'm even friends with a couple openly gay people because we can respect each other and our beliefs. However, if someone were to ask me if I support the lgbtq (apparently there's a p now), I would have to say no. Is this intolerance? Am I oppressing homosexuals by not aiding them? I would say no but I think many would disagree. In some parts of the world, there are gay people dying because they are gay. That is clearly oppression and intolerance. Something tells me I'm not quite that extreme
 
FGFlann
If you were asked for your opinion and gave it, that would be acceptable to me. However, the situation in question was an unsolicited accusation of child abuse against a particular demographic. For a more relevant analogy, let's say a business in your town is marketing a brand new lawnmower. The shiny black chassis of this lawnmower has stamped on it in big, bold white letters: "Allowing Nerdtendo to adopt pets is animal abuse." I would consider this completely unacceptable.
 
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B
Tolerance is not "bull", it's very much needed. As in, you MUST tolerate what is good and MUST NOT tolerate what is bad. When the context is how to feel about people, love is the correct keyword. You can love gay people just fine, but not tolerate their sexuality, if you did you would not love them (considering you think it's bad). Tolerance (or intolerance) becomes a problem when it is subverted into you accepting bad (or not accepting good) things. I'd say your post above mine is perfectly reasonable and banning you would be a mishandled case of intolerance.
 
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SecureBoot
Both of the posts above me make excellent points but let's put the scenerios under different circumstances. What if I had written my post starting from "it is against my religion" all the way to "I would have to say no" on Twitter. It's the same opinion, but this time unsolicited and without context. In this scenario is it intolerance? I'm not even trying to argue with you guys I just want to know your take
 
Apathetic_Discord
@Nerdtendo

And see, this is where the distinction between "intolerance" and "Freedom of belief/opinion" starts getting muddy.
I personally am atheist, and I don't believe in any "Almighty Diety", however if you believe in a god, that's your freedom of belief. I wouldn't judge you any differently because of that, and likewise I wouldn't purposely tell someone, who was openly religious, and potentially wanted to be my friend, to fuck off. However that in itself doesn't mean I support religion as a whole, because I think the entire structure of it, and how it works, is illogical and also, in some cases, exploitative. So, am I intolerant towards you and oppressing you and your beliefs, or am I expressing my own opinion and beliefs?
 
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FGFlann
It is an argument but it's nothing to apologize for, this is how discourse works. In your scenario, the addition of that qualifier does not detract from the accusation itself. Your religious beliefs are largely irrelevant next to the accusation since they do nothing to modify it. You are still telling X demographic that they are guilty of Y crime.
 
SecureBoot
@FGFlann There's something I don't understand about your post. In the Twitter scenario, am I being intolerant? (For the record, I wouldn't make a tweet like that. It doesn't benefit anyone)
 
FGFlann
It's a difficult question since the word tends to mean slightly different things to different people. As a strict definition, being intolerant of something would require you to act against it. Being asked for your opinion is not the same thing as acting against something without provocation. In my personal opinion, tolerance as it is used in this frame of discourse is not really a useful term. The real question is of bigotry and whether or not your ideas and beliefs stand up to scrutiny. If you wish to qualify a blanket statement you must be able to prove it, or it is simple bigotry and can be discarded.
 

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