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How to use a larger than 2TB Hard Drive on a Wii as a Single FAT32 Partition

*The Issue: [SOLVED] How can I use a larger than 2TB GTP Hard Drive on a Wii as one single MBR FAT32 partition? [SOLVED]


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Make sure to see the potential issues with EmuNAND and FIRMWARE noted below ***


This is a twice boiled down version of a couple previous posts from several years ago. This question comes up from time to time and rather than constantly referring people to my 5 year old post that I have to hunt down and that is a bit convoluted talking about various drive sizes and processes, I thought maybe it would be better as an original tutorial that is more to the point and easier to find. One of those previous posts from 2016 can be found here: http://gbatemp.net/threads/usb-loader-gx.149922/page-1129#post-6662953

Here in this revision I focus mainly on using 5TB Western Digital drives because all NTSC Wii, NTSC GameCube & non-NTSC PAL/JAP titles will fit. You would be best to read through everything a couple times to understand the process before proceeding with the steps. While there are other tools and processes others may have come up with, the following is the process I have used myself many, many, many times over. Feel free to seek out other alternatives as you see fit.


Potential Issues:
  • EmuNAND - It has been reported on 10/28/21 by a user that EmuNAND does NOT work with this method using 64k or 256k cluster size. This would be a problem if you are trying to have EVERYTHING work off just the HDD and do NOT want to use an SD card. At the moment the only choices seem to be:
A) Use EmuNAND off an SD card large enough for your needs​
B) Use a 4TB or smaller HDD formatted with the 32k cluster size​

  • Drive Firmware - It has been reported on 06/01/22 by a user that a 5TB WD My Passport purchased around May 2022 was not recognized by the WD Quick Formatter software due to the firmware not supporting the changing of the block size. I haven't bought a My Passport dive in a couple years and will have to purchase a few to see if I can replicate the issue so the pending questions are:
A) Will others run into this issue or is it more of a rare occurrence?​
B) Will this become an issue with any newly produced WD drive size because of current firmware versions??​
C) My version of WD Quick Drive Formatter is v1.2.0.10, what version is currently available for download on the WD site and would that make a difference?​
C) If new firmware becomes and issue can the drives firmware be downgraded to allow WD Quick Formatter to work?​


My Wii:

Original Nintendo Wii (not a Wii U), however I did have a report that it works for the Wii U as well. While I do have a couple Wii U's, I'm lazy and have yet to finish modding them to try it myself.


What I Recommend:

**06/09/22
Firmware on newer drives might be an issue. My recommendation listed below are previous to being made aware of potential issues**

I recommend Western Digital drives because there is WD software that indirectly converts the GPT drive partition to MBR. It has been found that most other drive manufactures do not work because they do not offer this ability, so my recommendation is to stick with using a Western Digital drive. This method has always worked for me on drive sizes of 3TB, 4TB, 6TB, 8TB & 10TB. I found there was no need to continue on with trying my 12TB & 18TB drives.

5TB is the sweet spot, but any size 3TB+ Western Digital drive should work. I have personally used MyBooks, Passports, and the P10 Game Drive. Others have told me their Essentials & Elements drive also worked. I will include additional information as needed for the different drive sizes I've used, but for me the sweet spot is the 5TB because it will hold all NTSC Wii, NTSC GameCube titles, PAL and Japanese titles that did not have a NTSC counterpart, and those that have various versions released.

I do NOT use EmuNAND off the HDD because it has always been installed to my 256GB SDXC card. There is a report that EmuNAND will NOT work on a 5TB+ HDD using this method. For more information in this issue see the "Potential Issues" area below.

Recommended External Drive (one of the following drives and a Y-cable):
or​
These drives will most likely work with the regular cable, but you never know if your ports are weak on power, so for a few bucks it’s always nice to have a Y-cable on hand in case it is needed:


The Basic Steps (using a Western Digital Hard Drive):
  1. Merge all items on WD HDD into 1 partition
  2. Converting the GPT partition to a MBR partition
  3. Select the proper cluster size and format the entire drive as FAT32
  4. Optional - Set drive to as ACTIVE & PRIMARY
  5. Some of my programs and setting in use
  6. Links to Wii items I feel helpful
  7. Thanks to those over the years who have helped me with this quest
  8. Miscellaneous pictures


The More Detailed Steps:

1 - Merge all items on WD HDD into 1 partition

-Using EaseUS Partition Master (or the partition manager of your choice) check the drives partitions:
-It is very important you merge any other partitions showing such as unallocated, hidden, marked with an ASTERIX, or ??
-Picture below shows what I am talking about on Drive C, all of these need to be merged
-Merge any and all into the main partition, you want just one partition showing and nothing else at all
-Link to free version of EaseUS Partition Master: http://www.easeus.com/partition-manager/epm-free.html

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2 - Converting the GPT partition to a MBR partition

-Using EaseUS Partition Master (or the partition manager of your choice) check the drive to see if its partition is MBR or GPT:
-If your drive is MBR skip this step and continue onto step 3
-If your drive is GPT, less than 2TB and you want a free partition manager tool go to step 2a
-If your drive is GPT, less than 2TB and you want a paid partition manager tool go to step 2b
-If your drive is GPT, a Western Digital drive & larger than 2TB go to step 2c


2a - Change the GPT drive partition to a MBR partition if your drive is 2TB or less:​
-Free tools to aid in this conversion:​
  • To be added as I find them

2b - Change the GPT drive partition to a MBR partition if your drive is 2TB or less:​
-PAID for tools to aid in this conversion:​
  • EaseUS Partition Master
-My free version did not have this option but my paid version does since v12 and up​
-Changing the WD drives partition above 2TB will not work using this method, it has the 2TB conversion limit, so go to step 2c if your drive is larger than 2TB​
-If you find more recent versions offer more functionality please let me know and I will update this post​
Convert GPT to MBR.jpg


2c - Change the GPT drive partition to a MBR partition if your drive is larger than 2TB using WD Quick Formatter:​
-Note: This most likely will not work on a hard drive that's not made by Western Digital, it scans for compatible drives automatically.​
-If using another manufacturer you will have to search to see if they make tools for something similar​
-Used to convert a larger than 2TB HDD to be Windows XP compatible​
-Once running WD Quick Formatter click on CONTINUE then ACCEPT and it will scan for drives​
-Available drives will be listed and if there is more than one select the correct drive to format​
-For configuration select XP COMPATIBLE and then click FORMAT DRIVE
-Important: In doing this conversion it formats the drive to one single NTFS partition and changes the partition table from GPT to MBR​
-I'm on Windows 10, maybe it makes a difference what OS you are on when you run it, but you might get an error​
-Using this on my 4TB Passport & 5TB P-10 Black Game Drives I received an error about "no recognizable file system on the drive", just click OK and let the format finish and once complete click FINISH
-This process can take several minutes but it did finish so give it time​
5TB Wii FAT32 64k Setup (4).png 5TB Wii FAT32 64k Setup (6).png 5TB Wii FAT32 64k Setup (7).png


3 - Select the proper cluster size and format the entire drive as FAT32
-Use FAT32 GUI Formatter to format the drive to FAT32:
-Original links seem to be working again (http://ridgecrop.co.uk)
-32-bit Link: http://ridgecrop.co.uk/index.htm?guiformat.htm
-64-bit Link: http://ridgecrop.co.uk/guiformat-x64.Exe

Cluster size will depend on the size of drive you are using. If you use a different cluster size the entire drive may not be accessible and I would recommend reformatting using my recommendations below:
  • 4TB and smaller drive: Select 32k clusters (Allocation Unit Size: 32768)
  • 5TB to 8TB drive: Select 64k clusters (Allocation Unit Size: 65536)
  • 10TB drive: 256k clusters (Allocation Unit Size: ????)
  • 12TB & Above: Unknown, I never tested past 10TB
5TB Wii FAT32 64k Setup (14).png 5TB Wii FAT32 64k Setup (16).png 5TB Wii FAT32 64k Setup (17).png


4 – (Optional) Set drive to as ACTIVE & PRIMARY
-Using EaseUS Partition Master set the drive as ACTIVE & PRIMARY:
-Some say this is not needed, but I always set my drives as ACTIVE & PRIMARY
-Worse case this has no effect so I still do it anyways

5TB Wii FAT32 64k Setup (8).png 5TB Wii FAT32 64k Setup (9).png


5 - Some of my programs and setting in use
-My Wii: NTSC Wii (original Wii, not Wii U)

-Version #'s currently in use updated: 2019-05-21
-**My versions in use shown probably need to be updated
-CFG USB Loader v71beta51t3
-USB Loader GX v3.0rev1271
-WiiFlow Lite v5.3.0beta6
-Nintendont v5.486MMMOD
-All loaders set to use IOS249[57] D2X v8-final
-IOS249[base57]
-IOS250[base56]
-IOS251[base58]


6 - Links to Wii items I feel helpful
-My Wii’s Modded with ModMii, Link: http://gbatemp.net/threads/modmii-for-windows-official-support-topic.207126/
-CFG USB Loader Link: https://gbatemp.net/threads/configurable-usb-loader.147638/
-USB Loader GX Link: http://gbatemp.net/threads/usb-loader-gx.149922/
-WiiFlow Lite Link: https://gbatemp.net/threads/wiiflow-lite.422685/
-Nintendont Link: http://gbatemp.net/threads/nintendont.349258/


7 - Thanks to those over the years who have helped me with this quest
-Thanks @element6, @GreyWolf, @Elliander, @XFlak & many others I probably have missed for help getting to this point


8 - Miscellaneous pictures
-Yes I have about 32 Wii's just for myself (4 of each type plus my test Wiis) and over 210TB in external hard drive space I'm constantly fiddling with. It would seem that my OCD has ADD making me obsessively collect randomly.

IMG_20210222_224416095.jpg 4.jpg IMG_20180223_220406588.jpg 5.jpg IMG_20210222_224213708 2.jpg IMG_20210222_224233063 3.jpg
 
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I've just attempted this on my WD Passport 5TB WDBA2F0050BBL, but unfortunately, it didn't work. When attempting to the WD Formatter, it said the firmware didn't support changing the block size or something. Is there anything else I can try?
 

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I completed this process today on a 4TB WD digital drive. it is ridiculously easy as long as you use a WD drive to use their software. If you use something else it feels almost impossible. I tried on a 4TB seagate and just could not find a way to create a single partition 4TB fat 32 MBR drive

If someone can somehow get rid of the arbitary WD drive check on the WD_Quick_Fornatter software this would open things up for many more drives
I quite literally posted EXACTLY what needed to be done to do this with ANY 3TB+ drive.

It's not complicated, you just need a USB 3.0 enclosure that supports 4K emulation. ASM1153/ASM1153E works for that purpose, and they're cheap. $15.
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I've just attempted this on my WD Passport 5TB WDBA2F0050BBL, but unfortunately, it didn't work. When attempting to the WD Formatter, it said the firmware didn't support changing the block size or something. Is there anything else I can try?
Shuck the drive, buy an ASM1153E USB 3.0 enclosure, download ASM MPTool with latest firmware for ASM1153E at Station Drivers, then flash it with the "2TB" flag checked in advanced options.

It will work then. Without a doubt.
 

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I've just attempted this on my WD Passport 5TB WDBA2F0050BBL, but unfortunately, it didn't work. When attempting to the WD Formatter, it said the firmware didn't support changing the block size or something. Is there anything else I can try?
Beside what @nexxusty suggests, which is a great alternative, we are about to test spoofing the software to see if it will allow the formatting of more recent WD firmware versions & other drive manufacturers.

We're hoping to have more insight over the upcoming weekend.
 

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Excellent! Thank you both @ca032769 and @nexxusty! Very promising
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I quite literally posted EXACTLY what needed to be done to do this with ANY 3TB+ drive.

It's not complicated, you just need a USB 3.0 enclosure that supports 4K emulation. ASM1153/ASM1153E works for that purpose, and they're cheap. $15.
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Shuck the drive, buy an ASM1153E USB 3.0 enclosure, download ASM MPTool with latest firmware for ASM1153E at Station Drivers, then flash it with the "2TB" flag checked in advanced options.

It will work then. Without a doubt.
To clarify, do I need to replace this board? Or is there an enclosure that this simply connects to? When I looked up ASM1153E, I couldn't find one that looks like it'd work for my application.
 

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Excellent! Thank you both @ca032769 and @nexxusty! Very promising
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To clarify, do I need to replace this board? Or is there an enclosure that this simply connects to? When I looked up ASM1153E, I couldn't find one that looks like it'd work for my application.
Oof.

Some external drives do not have a SATA interface. This is one of them. I should have mentioned to look this up before you took it apart. I apologize for that.

Your only option is to wait and see if the WD spoof works.

Wish I had better news for you brother.
 

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Oof.

Some external drives do not have a SATA interface. This is one of them. I should have mentioned to look this up before you took it apart. I apologize for that.

Your only option is to wait and see if the WD spoof works.

Wish I had better news for you brother.
When I noticed there was no SATA interface, I had a bad feeling. Ah well. Thank anyway though mate!
 
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Using these Gen 1 AF 4K drives, or any HDD that doesn't have support for 4K, use an ASM1153/ASM1153E USB 3.0 enclosure. They support 4K emulation and allow these drives to work perfectly with the Wii in FAT32 MBR mode up to 16TB. If you have an external HDD that won't format 4K, shuck it, spend $26 on one of these enclosures and your drive will work with your Wii in FAT32 MBR mode.

Hope this helps someone in the future.
@nexxusty
Do you have a link to an enclosure that uses ASM1153/ASM1153E? Most enclosures I'm finding aren't just listing the chipset they're using.
 

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I have a brand new 5TB WD Passport USB drive that is getting the firmware error on the WD Quick format tool.

I have been able to succesfully clean and convert the drive from GPT to MBR using diskpart tool in cmd prompt following the Microsoft knowledge base guide.

I can't post links as I am new here but the guide in question is on the Microsoft site titled:

Convert a GPT disk into an MBR disk​


Still working through the process following the guide so not yet tested this drive on Wii but EaseUS reports the drive is now MBR so hopefully this is a solution for newer WD drives and potentially other non-WD drives?


UPDATE: Unfortunately doing things this way runs into the 2TB limit with MBR drives and I can't find any way around it. The problem is that the drive sector mode is in 512E instead of 4kN. I'm guessing the WD quick format tool force formats to 4096 but for some reason the firmware on these newer drives won't allow that tool to do so.

For now I just have to go with GPT and a 2TB FAT32 partition with the rest of the space in NTFS for Wii games ><
 
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If this is a generation 1 "AF" drive there is no way around this (only with a adapter thats reemulate 4k) to use the native 4k sectorsize, the 512 emulation will be forced for compatibilty reason. On new generation 2 "AF" drives can be used the 4kn and maybe choosed 512be for backwards compatibility.
  • Drive max capacity : Fat32 and MBR are 32bit based and on a drive with physical sector-size of 512 Byte limited to a max drive size of 2TB. On upcoming generation 2 drives with "Advanced Format" (AF) the sector size is 4096b (4kn = native) and limited to 8TB(32kb)/16TB(64kb) drive size.
For now I just have to go with GPT and a 2TB FAT32 partition with the rest of the space in NTFS for Wii games ><
You dont will have luck with this, because
  • The (v)Wii itself can`t adress more then 2^32 sectors. Therefore on drives bigger 2TB with physical 512b sectorsize, max the first 2TB can be read/used.
  • and multiple partition using GPT with USBLGX is bugged (dont know about Wii Flow lite or CFG)
 

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If this is a generation 1 "AF" drive there is no way around this (only with a adapter thats reemulate 4k) to use the native 4k sectorsize, the 512 emulation will be forced for compatibilty reason. On new generation 2 "AF" drives can be used the 4kn and maybe choosed 512be for backwards compatibility.
  • Drive max capacity : Fat32 and MBR are 32bit based and on a drive with physical sector-size of 512 Byte limited to a max drive size of 2TB. On upcoming generation 2 drives with "Advanced Format" (AF) the sector size is 4096b (4kn = native) and limited to 8TB(32kb)/16TB(64kb) drive size.

You dont will have luck with this, because
  • The (v)Wii itself can`t adress more then 2^32 sectors. Therefore on drives bigger 2TB with physical 512b sectorsize, max the first 2TB can be read/used.
  • and multiple partition using GPT with USBLGX is bugged (dont know about Wii Flow lite or CFG)

I wish the drives would have the type of advanced format they use listed as part of their tech specs. Or a switch / firmware download to swap between 512e and 4kN...


I am having the problems you mentioned with the GPT multi-partition drive. I thought I had read some people saying they successfully used a setup like that but can't find any good info/guides on how to do it. Time for a re-think and use a different drive for the Wii HDD ^^
 

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There a two different kind of logos :

Generation 1 with 512be :
The AF emulation logo has one rounded corner and is used on any client or enterprise hard drive that is equipped with industry-standard emulation techniques. AF 512e is the current standard by which downward compatibility with legacy sector formats is achieved.
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Generation 2 with 4kn:
The AF native logo identifies the presence of AF native technologies, where data using long data sector format standards is both recorded on the drive and passed to the host in the AF format. Unlike AF emulation, there is no modification of the sector size by which the data is processed or communicated to the host.
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There a two different kind of logos :

Generation 1 with 512be :
The AF emulation logo has one rounded corner and is used on any client or enterprise hard drive that is equipped with industry-standard emulation techniques. AF 512e is the current standard by which downward compatibility with legacy sector formats is achieved.
View attachment 344540

Generation 2 with 4kn:
The AF native logo identifies the presence of AF native technologies, where data using long data sector format standards is both recorded on the drive and passed to the host in the AF format. Unlike AF emulation, there is no modification of the sector size by which the data is processed or communicated to the host.
View attachment 344541
Just to clarify, Generation 1 with 512be is the ideal type for the Wii, right?
 

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From my understanding 4kN (Gen 2) would be what you are looking for if you are trying to MBR a >2TB drive. With 512e then Windows, formatting tools etc treat the drive as having 512 sectors instead of 4096 so you run up against the 2TB limit.

The problem I had, at least from my searching, was I couldn't find any info on which drives are in what format. None of the drives I looked at on shopping sites or google searches seemed to actually display those logos or state the drive sector type.
 
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if you want a 4kN drives, you might as well just stick with the enterprise/NAS drives. I have a couple wd red and seagate exos. both comes with 512e firmware but can easily be converted to 4096 with the application. Just make sure to have a stable power while doing this since you will be messing directly from the drive's firmware.

and afaik, game drives are basically black drive from WD and those can be used to convert 512e drive to native 4k easily.
 

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Just to clarify, Generation 1 with 512be is the ideal type for the Wii, right?
@Huaracocha 512b sectorsize is just the old standard, where we run on (v)Wii into the limitation of 2TB. Because only 32bit exist to adress all sectors, from Wii side, MBR and Fat32. And Fat32 can max allocate 2^28=268.435.456 sectors (4bits are reserved)

A drive with 4kn should theoreticaly also work with out any problems and without the 2TB limitation, but till now we dont have any reference.

The problem I had, at least from my searching, was I couldn't find any info on which drives are in what format
Ya, thats a problem. I have a drive where its printed on and another user stated it, too. Maybe its also printed on the package.
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But like remlei told, the enterprise drives should be for sure gen 2 drives.
 
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I quite literally posted EXACTLY what needed to be done to do this with ANY 3TB+ drive.

It's not complicated, you just need a USB 3.0 enclosure that supports 4K emulation. ASM1153/ASM1153E works for that purpose, and they're cheap. $15.
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Shuck the drive, buy an ASM1153E USB 3.0 enclosure, download ASM MPTool with latest firmware for ASM1153E at Station Drivers, then flash it with the "2TB" flag checked in advanced options.

It will work then. Without a doubt.
Could you post a detailed guide on how to do this? Would be great to use the cheap Seagate 2.5" 5TB drives for Wii libraries.
 

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