Hardware I Just Can't "Get Down" with the Switch

[Veho]

I haven't even got into the fact that the dock is useless without the damn tab. To me the console is a FAMILY experience. The fact that one person can just hijack the damn tablet just doesn't make the Switch feel like a console.
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What makes Switch different than Wii U???? If anything, aside from graphics, the damn thing feels like a downgrade from Wii U. Sorry but it feels like Nintendo is saying: "we fucked up but here's a new Wii U with a swapping gimmick".

You're viewing this as a home console, and judging it as a home console, when it's not. It's a portable console with a TV out. It's not a successor to the WiiU, it's a portable console, think of it as Nintendo's version of the PSP (which also had a TV out) or Vita (actually it's the Nvidia Shield Tablet V2, really). The dock is a piece of plastic with power in and TV out, there's nothing in there (except a rumored fan). It's a glorified charging stand. Yes, one person can hijack the tablet, just like one person can hijack a PSP or a GBA. This makes it not feel like a family-oriented home console because it isn't one.

You know what the Switch is? It's this thing. 1: handheld console, 2: supports two players on the go with its tiny controllers, 3: plugs into a TV for big screen gaming. It's all there. But this does not make it a home console, and neither is the Switch. Sure, the graphics might be better than the Wii U (we don't know for sure yet, there is no basis for comparison), but the Wii U was released 4 years ago and it was underpowered from the start, so yeah.

So when you look at it from that perspective, it's not a Wii U with some features removed, it's a PSP with some features tacked on. Think of it that way.

 

[migles]

Wasn't skyrim confirmed just a tech demo or something like that and Bethesda denied skyrim release for switch?

 

[hobbledehoy899]

I just can't "get down" with Switch.

But what if it infects you? Could you get down with the Switchness then???

 

[LightyKD]

You're viewing this as a home console, and judging it as a home console, when it's not. It's a portable console with a TV out. It's not a successor to the WiiU, it's a portable console, think of it as Nintendo's version of the PSP (which also had a TV out) or Vita (actually it's the Nvidia Shield Tablet V2, really). The dock is a piece of plastic with power in and TV out, there's nothing in there (except a rumored fan). It's a glorified charging stand. Yes, one person can hijack the tablet, just like one person can hijack a PSP or a GBA. This makes it not feel like a family-oriented home console because it isn't one.

You know what the Switch is? It's this thing. 1: handheld console, 2: supports two players on the go with its tiny controllers, 3: plugs into a TV for big screen gaming. It's all there. But this does not make it a home console, and neither is the Switch. Sure, the graphics might be better than the Wii U (we don't know for sure yet, there is no basis for comparison), but the Wii U was released 4 years ago and it was underpowered from the start, so yeah.

So when you look at it from that perspective, it's not a Wii U with some features removed, it's a PSP with some features tacked on. Think of it that way.

Kinda hard to think of the Switch in the way you mentioned, mostly because of Nintendo's history. Remember the whole Nintendo DS being a third pillar thing? It wasn't supposed to replace the GameBoy but guess what! In the DS's case I'm glad it replaced the GameBoy, that name was so damn sexist. -Moving on, if Switch catches on, you can bet that Nintendo will glorify this as the great merger of their home and portable divisions and will kick both 3DS and Wii U to the curb for this. I can actually see Switch being the "home console" and their mobile games taking the 3DS spot. If they were smart with their mobile side, Nintendo would create a mobile game controller with a touch screen that would act as the bottom half of a DS style platform.

 

[Veho]

The Wii U is already on the curb and waiting for the stomp, but I think the Switch is more likely to be a successor for the 3DS. 3DS is already 6 years old (the age the DS was when 3DS was released) but it's still printing money and has enough life left in it, so now is the time for a parallel portable experiment, with enough time left over to release a "real" successor if the Switch fails.

 

[Xzi]

Wasn't skyrim confirmed just a tech demo or something like that and Bethesda denied skyrim release for switch?

It's not confirmed for Switch but they haven't outright denied it will come to the console, either. My money's on gamestream, which would explain why they showed Skyrim on Switch even if it doesn't natively support it.

 

[RustInPeace]

The thread title made me think of the Will Smith "Switch." Since that trailer I've been listening to that damn song here and there. Anyways, can't say much, a good deal has been said already, plus the fact that you have to wait until January for Nintendo to give more details about the console. Since it brings cartridges back to the home console setup, I wonder if down the road, not immediately of course, there will be flashcarts for the system. An NES one, SNES, N64, maybe even Gamecube. That'd be amazing.

 

[Xzi]

The thread title made me think of the Will Smith "Switch." Since that trailer I've been listening to that damn song here and there. Anyways, can't say much, a good deal has been said already, plus the fact that you have to wait until January for Nintendo to give more details about the console. Since it brings cartridges back to the home console setup, I wonder if down the road, not immediately of course, there will be flashcarts for the system. An NES one, SNES, N64, maybe even Gamecube. That'd be amazing.

Yeah I'd be surprised if it doesn't use some custom Android-based Nintendo OS. If it can be rooted, it can certainly be used to emulate just about anything shy of the Wii generation.

 

[VincentBeasley]

- Skyrim (a game most people already have
- Splatoon (a updated Wii U version)
- Mario Kart ( also a updated Wii U game)
- Zelda (most likely better on Wii U)
- new mario (probably a saving grace but it's gonna be hard to top galaxy)

Ummm...
1: Skyrim isn't confirmed (And who the hell doesn't want portable Skyrim anyway?!)
2:Splatoon is fantastic and few people actually played it due to... well you know... the WiiU not selling very well
3: Mario Kart 8 on the go? Sign me the hell up
4:Zelda better on WiiU? Huh? What you smokin?
5:New mario game. Nuff said

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What makes Switch different than Wii U???? If anything, aside from graphics, the damn thing feels like a downgrade from Wii U. Sorry but it feels like Nintendo is saying: "we fucked up but here's a new Wii U with a swapping gimmick".

It's bridging the gap between handhelds and consoles. That's not a gimmick, that's one of the best fucking ideas ever

 

[grossaffe]

The days of the SNES styled "normal Nintendo" is gone. All I wanted was more of what the Wii was offering but in HD with some damn decent media playing capability. The Wii U could have been that and was powerful enough to do so but Nintendo had no vision. No sense of direction and fucked up badly.

Nintendo did have vision. It just wasn't your vision. Get over it.

 

[LightyKD]

Yeah I'd be surprised if it doesn't use some custom Android-based Nintendo OS. If it can be rooted, it can certainly be used to emulate just about anything shy of the Wii generation.

I'm sure it would be able to emulate Wii if this thing ends up being more powerful than the Shield TV. Shield can already emulate some Wii games.

 

[Xzi]

I'm sure it would be able to emulate Wii if this thing ends up being more powerful than the Shield TV. Shield can already emulate some Wii games.

Neat, I hadn't really tried. Mostly because DolphinVR is so awesome that I have no need for any other Wii emulator, lol.

 

[grossaffe]

My lower palm had no skin for a while. Youngins don't know what we suffered through to bring them modern gaming, dag-gubnit!

I can still hear the scrunching sound in my head when the skin of my palm scrunched up in one direction, and the follow-up when I scrunched it back into place (well, mostly; it blistered up pretty good).

Yeah I'd be surprised if it doesn't use some custom Android-based Nintendo OS. If it can be rooted, it can certainly be used to emulate just about anything shy of the Wii generation.

Prepare to be surprised. Nintendo is not going to use an open-source OS.

 

[Xzi]

Prepare to be surprised. Nintendo is not going to use an open-source OS.

Which is why I think it'll only be Android-based, but still a custom Nintendo OS that's far more limited/closed off. If it's based on a newer version of Android, it would probably be more secure and more difficult to exploit than any of Nintendo's other recent consoles have been.

 

[grossaffe]

Which is why I think it'll only be Android-based, but still a custom Nintendo OS that's far more limited/closed off. If it's based on a newer version of Android, it would probably be more secure and more difficult to exploit than any of Nintendo's other recent consoles have been.

Android is based off of Linux, which has the GNU license. The GNU license is a recursive license that requires anything built off of it to be open-sourced.

 

[Xzi]

Android is based off of Linux, which has the GNU license. The GNU license is a recursive license that requires anything built off of it to be open-sourced.

Ah gotcha. I had no idea that was literally a requirement.

 

[Kioku]

Kinda hard to think of the Switch in the way you mentioned, mostly because of Nintendo's history. Remember the whole Nintendo DS being a third pillar thing? It wasn't supposed to replace the GameBoy but guess what! In the DS's case I'm glad it replaced the GameBoy, that name was so damn sexist. -Moving on, if Switch catches on, you can bet that Nintendo will glorify this as the great merger of their home and portable divisions and will kick both 3DS and Wii U to the curb for this. I can actually see Switch being the "home console" and their mobile games taking the 3DS spot. If they were smart with their mobile side, Nintendo would create a mobile game controller with a touch screen that would act as the bottom half of a DS style platform.

The DS was NOT a replacement for the Gameboy line. It just happened to be more popular and sales of the Gameboy Advance dwindled to dangerously low levels that Ninty was losing money manufacturing the systems. Not to mention, with the DS being what it was? Why would anyone want to keep the GBA/GB systems outside of nostalgia?

Also? The switch isn't entirely meant to replace the WiiU and the 3ds. It will with the WiiU, that's inevitable. However, the 3DS may be here for a while longer. As the switch literally is the next gen home console with a portable OPTION.

Saying Nintendo has no vision that matches your opinion and personal desires is shallow and rather pretentious. This is Nintendos most exciting console for A LOT of people. Just not you. Oh well, life goes on.

 

[LightyKD]

The DS was NOT a replacement for the Gameboy line. It just happened to be more popular and sales of the Gameboy Advance dwindled to dangerously low levels that Ninty was losing money manufacturing the systems. Not to mention, with the DS being what it was? Why would anyone want to keep the GBA/GB systems outside of nostalgia?

Also? The switch isn't entirely meant to replace the WiiU and the 3ds. It will with the WiiU, that's inevitable. However, the 3DS may be here for a while longer. As the switch literally is the next gen home console with a portable OPTION.

Saying Nintendo has no vision that matches your opinion and personal desires is shallow and rather pretentious. This is Nintendos most exiting console for A LOT of people. Just not you. Oh well, life goes on.

You keep saying Nintendo had vision. What vision??? One minute it's: let's go after the hardcore gamers. Next minute it's: we still want our casual audience. The the year after it was all about the Nintendo gamer and Amiibo and then they just gave up. Wii U had a lot of potential but Nintendo fucked it up and now they're trying to sell a rehashed Wii U without the one damn gimmick that gave Wii U potential, asymmetrical gaming! And BTW if you think people didn't use that form of gaming, think again, my wife and I used it often. It was a smart idea by Nintendo, allowing people to play the same game from not only multiple angles but with almost any control style they choose and now that's all in the fucking waste bin because of Switch. Some of us play video games with other people in the same house. Some of us just cant go hogging the game console. The Switch fails at it's main function, being a home game console. People can lie to their selves and say that this isn't the Wii U replacement all they want but when the cookie finally crumbles, Switch will be your ONLY option for Nintendo home gaming and many of you will run back, crying about OMG why did Nintendo do X,Y and Z

Face facts, Wii U loyalist are getting Wii Remotes shoved up their asses with this one. The fact that Nintendo has the audacity to even consider rehashing Wii U games with a few extras on Switch is a slap in the face to Wii U gamers. I JUST purchased Splatoon LAST Black Friday and here we are, not even a year later and we're talking about the same game being released on a new consoles with extras?! Are you kidding me?! The same feeling goes with Mario Kart 8. -and what about backwards compatibility?! Unless the Switch has a touch screen and comes with a special cable to connect the device from the bottom of the tab (assuming that's where the connector is) to the dock, Wii U gamers are forced to either hold onto their consoles or find cheap ways to repurchase their games on other platforms. People are happy about the Switch and that's fine but many of them act as if they never had to go through the BS Nintendo created with the Wii U and many of them are acting as if everyone has money to toss up in the air. Some of us do have families and YES the game console IS a major purchase. Some people here really need to take off the rose tinted glasses for a moment and see that there is both good and bad in this console release and that Nintendo has a LOT of problems to address before the masses decide to buy this "new" hardware.

 

[grossaffe]

You keep saying Nintendo had vision. What vision??? One minute it's: let's go after the hardcore gamers. Next minute it's: we still want our casual audience. The the year after it was all about the Nintendo gamer and Amiibo and then they just gave up. Wii U had a lot of potential but Nintendo fucked it up and now they're trying to sell a rehashed Wii U without the one damn gimmick that gave Wii U potential, asymmetrical gaming! And BTW if you think people didn't use that form of gaming, think again, my wife and I used it often. It was a smart idea by Nintendo, allowing people to play the same game from not only multiple angles but with almost any control style they choose and now that's all in the fucking waste bin because of Switch. Some of us play video games with other people in the same house. Some of us just cant go hogging the game console. The Switch fails at it's main function, being a home game console. People can lie to their selves and say that this isn't the Wii U replacement all they want but when the cookie finally crumbles, Switch will be your ONLY option for Nintendo home gaming and many of you will run back, crying about OMG why did Nintendo do X,Y and Z

Face facts, Wii U loyalist are getting Wii Remotes shoved up their asses with this one. The fact that Nintendo has the audacity to even consider rehashing Wii U games with a few extras on Switch is a slap in the face to Wii U gamers. I JUST purchased Splatoon LAST Black Friday and here we are, not even a year later and we're talking about the same game being released on a new consoles with extras?! Are you kidding me?! The same feeling goes with Mario Kart 8. -and what about backwards compatibility?! Unless the Switch has a touch screen and comes with a special cable to connect the device from the bottom of the tab (assuming that's where the connector is) to the dock, Wii U gamers are forced to either hold onto their consoles or find cheap ways to repurchase their games on other platforms. People are happy about the Switch and that's fine but many of them act as if they never had to go through the BS Nintendo created with the Wii U and many of them are acting as if everyone has money to toss up in the air. Some of us do have families and YES the game console IS a major purchase. Some people here really need to take off the rose tinted glasses for a moment and see that there is both good and bad in this console release and that Nintendo has a LOT of problems to address before the masses decide to buy this "new" hardware.

What in the hell are you droning on about? You're complaining that when someone is using the switch that it doesn't get cloned into a second switch for someone else to play separately?

 

[LightyKD]

What in the hell are you droning on about? You're complaining that when someone is using the switch that it doesn't get cloned into a second switch for someone else to play separately?

You JUST proved my point on why the Switch sucks as a home console. Once one player takes the console away from home, the rest of the family will need a SECOND or third or fourth Switch for others to keep playing.