Iwata: Wii U/3DS will cater to core gamers first, mass market second

[Foxi4]

Nintendo fans didn't get the chance to try Skyrim, nor could they try many other good games simply because Nintendo released a low-cost console, which is a no-no.

Why do you presume that Nintendo fans only ever own Nintendo consoles? It's an interesting thought, I'd like to hear more upon your intake and where you get these ideas.

I assume that Nintendo fans own Nintendo consoles and unfortunatelly if they want to play good multiplatform titles, they're somewhat forced to buy the competition's consoles aswell or invest in a gaming rig. This is not a problem for Sony or Microsoft fans and I would very much like it to disappear with the emergence of the WiiU.

 

[Coto]

it looks like you don't know what you are talking about.

Sorry, you weren't present at the time of this debate. Ouch, please press F5 and start looking from page 6 or 7. =)

 

[Foxi4]

I don't see where making a low cost gaming device is a bad thing. It's called catering to a DIFFERENT market. Hell, the PS2 was still around for most of the current gen. Not everybody has the money to feed into Iwata's piggy bank. I love how so many people act as if it's easy for people to buy a 3DS, a Vita, Wii U or some other high end gaming device. We're still in a recession the last time I checked. I think these older systems need to stick around so that there's something for everyone. Honestly, if Nintendo wanted to keep the current Wii alive, all they would have to do is offer up some help to indie and low end devs in regards to getting their games published. I'm just going to be frank. No network enabled console should ever be 100% dead. Not when the price of development for the platform continues to cheapen and there are always news ways to keep the device active via a network.

If a developer really wanted to make a low-end game, they could just as well make it for the PS2 which was more popular. There's a higher chance a gamer would own a PS2 than a Wii, so why bother? The strong point of the Wii were the controllers, the weak point was just about everything else.

 

[Guild McCommunist]

1. Nintendo "parents" policy, by not having sex-explicit, hardcore, adult games for mature audience. Yes there are few games like COD, Madworld, etc. Hence the system aimed for children and/or families. Heck Mario Sunshine was great, retro and all that, but... mario galaxy?! Can't you be more gay/friendly mario? (I don't even hate gays or something) Where are those pseudo arcade franchises you developed for us Nintendo? Starfox64 15 years ago?

Oh god I just realized you though Super Mario Sunshine was a better game than Super Mario Galaxy. How is Sunshine "retro" and "arcadey" and Galaxy is not?

EDIT: For the record Sunshine was a mediocre game with some really dumb mechanics.

 

[NeoGohan]

they are not catching up. they are going further.
when you know the system will have AT LEAST 1.5GB of ram(it's 2GB now i think) and the OS will need 512MB, you know they are going further than just "catching up with current gen".

Too little too late considering that their competitors will soon release superior hardware. Nintendo IS catching up - you're comparing the WiiU to 6-year old hardware.

Can you tell me what makes you think that the "poor" sony who lost billions this gen, will release a "superior" (and expensive) hardware next gen?
People are always generalizing things.

Nintendo makes a low-powered console one gen = NINTENDO MAKES WEAK HARDWARE
Sony makes the most powerful console ONE gen = Sony will always release powerful hardware

what would be superior hardware for you (next gen)?
a system with 4GB of ram? 8GB of ram?

if that's it then i'm sorry. you are not getting that anytime soon.

it looks like you don't know what you are talking about.

Sorry, you weren't present at the time of this debate. Ouch, please press F5 and start looking from page 6 or 7. =)

i read the whole thing.
and i think...
that..

you don't know what you are talking about

 

[emigre]

@Foxi4 post that picture of your Nintendo consoles to back up your point.

 

[Coto]

1. Nintendo "parents" policy, by not having sex-explicit, hardcore, adult games for mature audience. Yes there are few games like COD, Madworld, etc. Hence the system aimed for children and/or families. Heck Mario Sunshine was great, retro and all that, but... mario galaxy?! Can't you be more gay/friendly mario? (I don't even hate gays or something) Where are those pseudo arcade franchises you developed for us Nintendo? Starfox64 15 years ago?

Oh god I just realized you though Super Mario Sunshine was a better game than Super Mario Galaxy. How is Sunshine "retro" and "arcadey" and Galaxy is not?

EDIT: For the record Sunshine was a mediocre game with some really dumb mechanics.

Sunshine has better challenges, music, retro stages, even the 8 coin races you'd do in those stages (much like Mario world or Yoshi island 8 coins), also a lot of stuff referring to ol' school mario franchise(ie: when fake mario steals your waterpump and you gotta do the stage the old way) that's a good gift to meh .

Galaxy is just ... ewww with mario jumping screaming and using his tornet in his super bee suit with their bee friends and... those gestures omg, I swear I don't hate gay people, but it's too much for me, mainly because SMG goes straight to kids

edit: if you say sunshine was a mediocre game, i'd rather finish SMG I & II %100 than any of The Ratchet and Clank series, they suck.

i read the whole thing.
and i think...
that..

you don't know what you are talking about

Oh, please ignore me. I wouldn't want to hurt your feelings

 

[Guild McCommunist]

Can you tell me what makes you think that the "poor" sony who lost billions this gen, will release a "superior" (and expensive) hardware next gen?
People are always generalizing things.

Because they have had a rather profitable video game sector and their losses mainly came from TVs and not from video games? So reasonably Sony would put more money into the thing that makes them money.

Sunshine has better challenges, music, retro stages, even the 8 coin races you'd do in those stages (much like Mario world or Yoshi island 8 coins), also a lot of stuff referring to ol' school mario franchise(ie: when fake mario steals your waterpump and you gotta do the stage ol' school) that's a good gift to meh .

Galaxy is just ... ewww with mario jumping screaming and using his tornet in his super bee suit with their bee friends and... those gestures omg, I swear I don't hate gay people, but it's too much for me, mainly because SMG goes straight to kids

So basically your argument is that Sunshine is "retro" and Galaxy is gay?

Also I think it's hilarious that Sunshine had "better music" when Galaxy had a fucking orchestra and admittedly some epic music. Plus the stages were well designed, the graphics were better, and the FLUDD is an awful mechanic.

And y'know, saying "I don't hate gay people" and then giving them broad and offensive stereotypes doesn't mean you're not being bigoted. If I were you I'd drop the whole "Galaxy is gay" point because you're digging your whole really deep at the moment.

 

[NeoGohan]

1. Nintendo "parents" policy, by not having sex-explicit, hardcore, adult games for mature audience. Yes there are few games like COD, Madworld, etc. Hence the system aimed for children and/or families. Heck Mario Sunshine was great, retro and all that, but... mario galaxy?! Can't you be more gay/friendly mario? (I don't even hate gays or something) Where are those pseudo arcade franchises you developed for us Nintendo? Starfox64 15 years ago?

i hope nintendo releases that "Mario Bros. porn bloody adventures" game soon so they can fullfil your dreams

i read the whole thing.
and i think...
that..

you don't know what you are talking about

Oh, please ignore me. I wouldn't want to hurt your feelings

the more you post, the more ignorant you look.

Can you tell me what makes you think that the "poor" sony who lost billions this gen, will release a "superior" (and expensive) hardware next gen?
People are always generalizing things.

Because they have had a rather profitable video game sector and their losses mainly came from TVs and not from video games? So reasonably Sony would put more money into the thing that makes them money.

Are you talking about that videogame division that started being profitable like 4 years after the PS3 released?

So reasonably Sony would put more effort on being profitable on day one.

 

[Foxi4]

Can you tell me what makes you think that the "poor" sony who lost billions this gen, will release a "superior" (and expensive) hardware next gen?
People are always generalizing things.

Nintendo makes a low-powered console one gen = NINTENDO MAKES WEAK HARDWARE
Sony makes the most powerful console of ONE gen = Sony will always release powerful hardware

what would be superior hardware for you (next gen)?
a system with 4GB of ram? 8GB of ram?

if that's it then i'm sorry. you are not getting that anytime soon.

...you seriously don't know me or my approach towards consoles, do you?

Sony was always the comany which released the best design, not necessarily the strongest hardware. The original Playstation mopped the floor with its competitors due to affordability combined with relatively good specs and great third-party support, the PS2 was even better in all those areas despite being the weakest of its generation, the PS3, despite its initial problems (akin to those of the PS2, actually - high price tag being the most major one) was the culmination of their efforts. It is only natural to expect progress from them as they were always on-top of their game.

Microsoft went all-out with the XBox and with the 360, their finances are just fine, it's hard NOT to expect the NextBox to be powerful.

Nintendo on the otherhand... I think that they stopped caring for a while after the Gamecube, tried something different, sold a lot of units and now that they have the financial background, they're getting back in the game. The Gamecube was a fiasco, the N64 was... meh. The Gameboy line is what really kept them afloat through this time.

Read up on some console history before you write something silly again.

 

[heartgold]

Nintendo fans didn't get the chance to try Skyrim, nor could they try many other good games simply because Nintendo released a low-cost console, which is a no-no.

Why do you presume that Nintendo fans only ever own Nintendo consoles? It's an interesting thought, I'd like to hear more upon your intake and where you get these ideas.

I assume that Nintendo fans own Nintendo consoles and unfortunatelly if they want to play good multiplatform titles, they're somewhat forced to buy the competition's consoles aswell or invest in a gaming rig. This is not a problem for Sony or Microsoft fans and I would very much like it to disappear with the emergence of the WiiU.

Being loyal to one company is just foolishness, yes you may have a favourite but sticking to one is just a loss at the end.

Anyway I don't see Microsoft or Sony customers switching to Nintendo platforms anytime soon. You see over in the UK, X-box seems to be the popular choice around here so if you wanna play COD or Fifa with your friends you have to get that system to play with your friends. Now that X-box has stabilised itself as the standard must have console, it's hard to see people jumping out for the Wii-U, practically to an average gamer it will just seem like a HD console with a stupid unnecessary screen on a controller.

 

[NeoGohan]

Can you tell me what makes you think that the "poor" sony who lost billions this gen, will release a "superior" (and expensive) hardware next gen?
People are always generalizing things.

Nintendo makes a low-powered console one gen = NINTENDO MAKES WEAK HARDWARE
Sony makes the most powerful console of ONE gen = Sony will always release powerful hardware

what would be superior hardware for you (next gen)?
a system with 4GB of ram? 8GB of ram?

if that's it then i'm sorry. you are not getting that anytime soon.

...you seriously don't know me or my approach towards consoles, do you?

Sony was always the comany which released the best design, not necessarily the strongest hardware. The original Playstation mopped the floor with its competitors due to affordability combined with relatively good specs and great third-party support, the PS2 was even better in all those areas despite being the weakest of its generation, the PS3, despite its initial problems (akin to those of the PS2, actually - high price tag being the most major one) was the culmination of their efforts. It is only natural to expect progress from them as they were always on-top of their game.

Microsoft went all-out with the XBox and with the 360, their finances are just fine, it's hard NOT to expect the NextBox to be powerful.

Nintendo on the otherhand... I think that they stopped caring for a while after the Gamecube, tried something different, sold a lot of units and now that they have the financial background, they're getting back in the game. The Gamecube was a fiasco, the N64 was... meh. The Gameboy line is what really kept them afloat through this time.

Read up on some console history before you write something silly again.

didn't you just said that Nintendo was catching up because there would be SUPERIOR CONSOLES after they released their console?

we were talking about power/financial situation and you answer with that.

thanks for showing that i was right.

also, we were talking about next gen and you talk about old generation consoles. MAKES PERFECT SENSE

 

[Coto]

Also I think it's hilarious that Sunshine had "better music" when Galaxy had a fucking orchestra and admittedly some epic music. Plus the stages were well designed, the graphics were better, and the FLUDD is an awful mechanic.

Oh please, that's your opinion.

Here's mine:

If you say sunshine was a mediocre game, i'd rather finish SMG I & II %100 than any of The Ratchet and Clank series, they suck.

So basically your argument is that Sunshine is "retro" and Galaxy is gay?

No, my basis is: Sunshine has more of the old mario series than Galaxy, and plus, Mario's too sissy, or at least how Nintendo introduced it to series from the beginning.

And y'know, saying "I don't hate gay people" and then giving them broad and offensive stereotypes doesn't mean you're not being bigoted. If I were you I'd drop the whole "Galaxy is gay" point because you're digging your whole really deep at the moment.

I don't how how you could feel about that, but it was just a thought. If you felt bad about that, sorry (?)

Oh, please ignore me. I wouldn't want to hurt your feelings

the more you post, the more ignorant you look.

Sorry, I hope you can overcome this someday c:

 

[Foxi4]

didn't you just said that Nintendo was catching up because there would be SUPERIOR CONSOLES after they released their console?

we were talking about power/financial situation and you answer with that.

thanks for showing that i was right.

also, we were talking about next gen and you talk about old generation consoles. MAKES PERFECT SENSE

You didn't prove me wrong, you dillwit. That's an entirely unrelated point. The first console in the generation you are refering to was the Dreamcast, and guess what? It turned out to be the weakest.

Besides, better design is also means of superiority I'm afraid.

The "first" console will always be either flawed due to being rushed or underspeced since the competition will know exactly what to do to top it.

I refuse to carry on talking with you before you read some articles on video game history, you seem to be one of those OMGNINTENDOWHOASOGOOD people that I refuse to associate with.

 

[NeoGohan]

didn't you just said that Nintendo was catching up because there would be SUPERIOR CONSOLES after they released their console?

we were talking about power/financial situation and you answer with that.

thanks for showing that i was right.

also, we were talking about next gen and you talk about old generation consoles. MAKES PERFECT SENSE

You didn't prove me wrong, you dillwit. That's an entirely unrelated point. The first console in the generation you are refering to was the Dreamcast, and guess what? It turned out to be the weakest.

The "first" console will always be either flawed due to being rushed or underspeced since the competition will know exactly what to do to top it.

I refuse to carry on talking with you before you read some articles of video game history, you seem to be one of those OMGNINTENDOWHOASOGOOD people that I refuse to associate with.

The first console in the generation you are refering to was the Xbox 360, and guess what? It turned out to be the weakest.

are you really using that argument?

I refuse to carry on talking with you before you read some articles of video game history, you seem to be one of those OMGNINTENDOWHOASOGOOD people that I refuse to associate with.

lol, seems like an stupid excuse to not answer. (i know about video game history, no need for that)

i'm not one of those "people" at all, no need to make assumptions.
i just go where the games i like are.
i've had consoles from both Sony and Nintendo and i've had a lot of fun on all of them


so .. how much ram are you expecting?

 

[Gahars]

@[member='Coto']

Pro-tip: It's not a matter of making people "feel bad." If you have to call something (or someone) "gay" to convey that it's bad, you have failed at arguing.

 

[Deleted_171835]

O RLY Nintendo has not any parental limits when it comes down to their consoles/games?? You must be blind as ... hahaha

If you were to know how to code a little, you'd understand last Nintendo consoles had been terribly underpowered, and Nintendo, because of their "antiquated" way of business wouldn't even lend their SDKs to 3rd parties, thus, leaving the devs figuring how to rewrite /port games from a PC/XBOX arquitecture to an ol' apple G3/G4. This means wasting time and money, thus, ... hey 3DS games announced at launch day were cancelled do you remember? Well, that's a good example.

No, there aren't any parental limits. I don't know why you keep stating that without any proof.

Recent Nintendo consoles have obviously been underpowered. I'm not arguing that. How do you know that Nintendo hasn't given SDKs to third-parties because this just seems like a bunch of conjecture to me. And the cancelled 3DS games don't mean anything. For one, some of the games haven't even reached the design stage so that doesn't speak of any development problems.

 

[NeoGohan]

And did you know the lack of 3rd party support was because of their idiotic "parents" policy, and also, low cheap, hard to port coding, hardware? Why do you think devs prefer porting games to XBOX/PS3 now? Because it's easier to do? Nintendo had even troubles bringing We Dare to USA

No, that wasn't it. There is no parents policy and I don't know where you get this antiquated hardware idea from.

O RLY Nintendo has not any parental limits when it comes down to their consoles/games?? You must be blind as ... hahaha

If you were to know how to code a little, you'd understand last Nintendo consoles had been terribly underpowered, and Nintendo, because of their "antiquated" way of business wouldn't even lend their SDKs to 3rd parties, thus, leaving the devs figuring how to rewrite /port games from a PC/XBOX arquitecture to an ol' apple G3/G4. This means wasting time and money, thus, ... hey 3DS games announced at launch day were cancelled do you remember? Well, that's a good example.

Saints Row = THQ has financial problems, they don't even know if they will be able to publish games that are almost complete.
Assassin's Creed = this
DJ Hero = Activision killed the "hero" series.

any other game that was announced to be at launch WINDOW and then got cancelled?

 

[Foxi4]

The first console in the generation you are refering to was the Xbox 360, and guess what? It turned out to be the weakest.

are you really using that argument?

The Wii was not meant to compete with the 360 or the PS3, it was made to appeal to an entirely new market of gamers that wanted to try something different as well as their old fans and was relatively successful at it, however if fell flat when it came to resources, horsepower and third-party support and despite the initial massive sales it was quickly relegated to the laughing stock position it is in right now.

lol, seems like an stupid excuse to not answer. (i know about video game history, no need for that)

so .. how much ram are you expecting?

i'm not one of those "people" at all, no need to make assumptions.
i just go where the games i like are.
i've had consoles from both Sony and Nintendo and i've had a lot of fun on all of them

I'm expecting a miniscule amount of RAM more than the WiiU will have as it's not really all that important - the significant differences will come in CPU/GPU architectures and their relations.

Sony will more than likely show once more that their custom-tailored chips can reign supreme while Microsoft will play it relatively safetly instead opting for a more open-ended development environment.

 

[Guild McCommunist]

If you say sunshine was a mediocre game, i'd rather finish SMG I & II %100 than any of The Ratchet and Clank series, they suck.

Y'know, taking "jabs" at me only works if I care. I've played like only one Ratchet and Clank game. I thought it was great but I'm not a series diehard by any means.

No, my basis is: Sunshine has more of the old mario series than Galaxy, and plus, Mario's too sissy, or at least how Nintendo introduced it to series from the beginning.

Why do you want more of the "old" Mario series? Games should evolve and I don't see how it has any more "retroness" then Super Mario Galaxy. Hell, Galaxy 2 had like dedicated "retro" levels.

I don't how how you could feel about that, but it was just a thought. If you felt bad about that, sorry (?)

I just felt it was rather silly to keep saying he's "gay" then compare the term to being a "sissy" or other negative comments. I'm not gay by any means but your continual use of it in a negative manner and then saying "I don't hate gay people" is a giant contradiction. That's like me saying "I don't hate black people, I just wish they could swim."