Iwata: Wii U/3DS will cater to core gamers first, mass market second

[Foxi4]

BTW the Mario Galaxy games are better than Sunshine in my opinion. And to be objective, the Galaxy games were more "mature" titles (hate that term) than Sunshine. Things like he music and overall design had a more serious approach.

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Are we talking about the same game here? I'm not sure...

*facepalm*

I see three games that were not made by Nintendo used as an argument to support Nintendo, how is that facepalm material? Each of those could've just as well been released on other systems, there's nothing inheritently "Wii" about them at all.

When Wii users were busy with'em, the rest of the world had Skyrim, how's that for an argument againts the Wii? (By the way, I'm a Wii user myself, so keep that in mind before you start hatin').

There are numerous games that are more "definite" Wii experiences than those three, even if they're good.

 

[mysticwaterfall]

Just wanted to remind people that the highest rated game of all time (Zelda 64) is rated E. I certainly have nothing against M games (mortal kombat is one of my favorite series) but I do hate how somehow this non-m equals not worth peoples time mentality is there. That's just idiotic.

Should there be a wide variety of different games? Yes. Should there way too many of any one type of game? No. That's the point Iwata was trying to make. None of this hardcore gamer bs. Hardcore isn't determined by what you play but how you play it. Those people in documentries like a fistful of quarters or the tetris one? That's hardcore.

 

[NeoGohan]

*facepalm*

I see three games that were not made by Nintendo used as an argument to support Nintendo, how is that facepalm material? Each of those could've just as well been released on other systems, there's nothing inheritently "Wii" about them at all.

When Wii users were busy with'em, the rest of the world had Skyrim, how's that for an argument againts the Wii? (By the way, I'm a Wii user myself, so keep that in mind before you start hatin').

He wasn't talking about games made by Nintendo.
he was talking about games available on Wii....

Anyway Xenoblade was developed by Monolith Soft (Nintendo 2nd party).

When Wii users were busy with'em, the rest of the world had Skyrim, how's that for an argument againts the Wii? (By the way, I'm a Wii user myself, so keep that in mind before you start hatin').

.............
What is this supposed to mean?
when Wii users were enjoying those awesome games the rest of the world had another awesome game?

There are numerous games that are more "definite" Wii experiences than those three, even if they're good.

i don't even know what you are replying to.

he said a game he played for an hour was crap, i replied with a facepalm.
who is talking about "definite" Wii experiences?

 

[Eerpow]

BTW the Mario Galaxy games are better than Sunshine in my opinion. And to be objective, the Galaxy games were more "mature" titles (hate that term) than Sunshine. Things like he music and overall design had a more serious approach.

Are we talking about the same game here? I'm not sure...

Seriously Foxi4, you took a 2007 non orchestrated trailer WTF...

I'm not personally saying either is "mature".
But when comparing an island like vacation with bad voice acting and worse story (even with the little there is) I can easily see Galaxy prevailing when it comes to having a more serious approach.

It's a fact that the galaxy games had a more serious tone to them than Sunshine. The high production value for stuff like the music should more than prove my point regardless if you enjoyed the exploration styled Mario games more or not.

 

[Foxi4]

@Neo

He simply didn't like the game, that's no reason to facepalm. I enjoyed Xenoblade so-far but I can't say that I'm deeply in love with it. There's a certain gradation of "awesome" involved when you compare games and Elder Scrolls just happens to be higher-tier for a great majority of gamers.

Nintendo fans didn't get the chance to try Skyrim, nor could they try many other good games simply because Nintendo released a low-cost console, which is a no-no.

With the WiiU, they're catching up with current generation gaming and that's a good thing but we can't simply say that the Wii was "good" when it really wasn't - there's only a handful of good games for it and most of them would "work" on different consoles anyways - the Wii was the s*it-end of the last generation with the WiiMote as its redeeming quality.

 

[Guild McCommunist]

He wasn't talking about games made by Nintendo.
he was talking about games available on Wii....

Anyway Xenoblade was developed by Monolith Soft (Nintendo 2nd party).

I wasn't using them as an argument as to "inferior ports" or "crap", I was stating I haven't played them and thus don't factor into my decision. Except Xenoblade, it was really bland.

 

[Deleted_171835]

Parents policy? You clearly don't know what you're talking about. Nintendo hasn't refused "mature" games since the SNES days. If that was true, Snake Eater 3D, No More Heroes, Mad World, Geist, Resident Evil: Revelations and Resident Evil 4 wouldn't be on their platforms.

Yeah that's A LOT OF MATURE /3RD PARTY GAMES. Unlike on their PS3/XBOX counter parts. Even Dreamcast, a console dead in late's 2001 had more 3rd party support than these great titles you've mentioned

btw you didn't quote the whole example so i'll leave it here:

1. Nintendo "parents" policy, by not having sex-explicit, hardcore, adult games for mature audience. Yes there are few games like COD, Madworld, etc. Hence the system aimed for children and/or families. Heck Mario Sunshine was great, retro and all that, but... mario galaxy?! Can't you be more gay/friendly mario? (I don't even hate gays or something) Where are those pseudo arcade franchises you developed for us Nintendo? Starfox64 15 years ago?

Ever thought that was because there wasn't major third-party support instead of a ridiculous "parents" policy?

 

[NeoGohan]

@[member='Neo']

He simply didn't like the game, that's no reason to facepalm. I enjoyed Xenoblade so-far but I can't say that I'm deeply in love with it. There's a certain gradation of "awesome" involved when you compare games and Elder Scrolls just happens to be higher-tier for a great majority of gamers.

yep there is, you don't call crap something only because you don't like it.
i didn't like Skyrim at all, but i know what a complete experience it is and how many people enjoy it.

With the WiiU, they're catching up with current generation gaming and that's a good thing but we can't simply say that the Wii was "good" when it really wasn't - there's only a handful of good games for it and most of them would "work" on different consoles anyways - the Wii was the s*it-end of the last generation with the WiiMote as its redeeming quality.

they are not catching up. they are going further.
when you know the system will have AT LEAST 1.5GB of ram(it's 2GB now i think) and the OS will need 512MB, you know they are going further than just "catching up with current gen".

 

[DiscostewSM]

Funny how we got from "core" games to "mature" games.

 

[heartgold]

Nintendo fans didn't get the chance to try Skyrim, nor could they try many other good games simply because Nintendo released a low-cost console, which is a no-no.

Why do you presume that Nintendo fans only ever own Nintendo consoles? It's an interesting thought, I'd like to hear more upon your intake and where you get these ideas.

 

[Guild McCommunist]

@[member='Neo']

He simply didn't like the game, that's no reason to facepalm. I enjoyed Xenoblade so-far but I can't say that I'm deeply in love with it. There's a certain gradation of "awesome" involved when you compare games and Elder Scrolls just happens to be higher-tier for a great majority of gamers.

yep there is, you don't call crap something only because you don't like it.
i didn't like Skyrim at all, but i know what a complete experience it is and how many people enjoy it.

And I didn't call them crap, it seems pretty obvious that I wouldn't factor games I haven't played into a "crap" or "not crap" decision. I was more so talking about everything else on the list.

Why do you presume that Nintendo fans only ever own Nintendo consoles? It's an interesting thought, I'd like to hear more upon your intake and where you get these ideas.

There are so many people here who own only a Wii/DS/3DS and not a Xbox 360, PS3, or good PC.

Do you own a PS3 or Xbox 360 or gaming PC by any chance?

 

[Coto]

Parents policy? You clearly don't know what you're talking about. Nintendo hasn't refused "mature" games since the SNES days. If that was true, Snake Eater 3D, No More Heroes, Mad World, Geist, Resident Evil: Revelations and Resident Evil 4 wouldn't be on their platforms.

Yeah that's A LOT OF MATURE /3RD PARTY GAMES. Unlike on their PS3/XBOX counter parts. Even Dreamcast, a console dead in late's 2001 had more 3rd party support than these great titles you've mentioned

btw you didn't quote the whole example so i'll leave it here:

1. Nintendo "parents" policy, by not having sex-explicit, hardcore, adult games for mature audience. Yes there are few games like COD, Madworld, etc. Hence the system aimed for children and/or families. Heck Mario Sunshine was great, retro and all that, but... mario galaxy?! Can't you be more gay/friendly mario? (I don't even hate gays or something) Where are those pseudo arcade franchises you developed for us Nintendo? Starfox64 15 years ago?

Ever thought that was because there wasn't major third-party support instead of a ridiculous "parents" policy?

And did you know the lack of 3rd party support was because of their idiotic "parents" policy, and also, low cheap, hard to port coding, hardware? Why do you think devs prefer porting games to XBOX/PS3 now? Because it's easier to do? Nintendo had even troubles bringing We Dare to USA

 

[Guild McCommunist]

And did you know the lack of 3rd party support was because of their idiotic "parents" policy, and also, low cheap, hard to port coding, hardware? Why do you think devs prefer porting games to XBOX/PS3 now? Because it's easier to do? Nintendo had even troubles bringing We Dare to USA

In all honesty there's like 4 major console markets and 3 of them can be crossported rather easily, there's just one sore thumb out there that doesn't play well with others.

EDIT: Also it doesn't help that third party devs see the only things selling on Nintendo platforms are either A) Nintendo games or B) casual games.

 

[Deleted_171835]

And did you know the lack of 3rd party support was because of their idiotic "parents" policy, and also, low cheap, hard to port coding, hardware? Why do you think devs prefer porting games to XBOX/PS3 now? Because it's easier to do? Nintendo had even troubles bringing We Dare to USA

No, that wasn't it. There is no parents policy and I don't know where you get this antiquated hardware idea from.

 

[heartgold]

There are so many people here who own only a Wii/DS/3DS and not a Xbox 360, PS3, or good PC.

Do you own a PS3 or Xbox 360 or gaming PC by any chance?

Why yes, I have a decent PC and one of those HD consoles is at home which is owned by one of my siblings.

 

[Coto]

And did you know the lack of 3rd party support was because of their idiotic "parents" policy, and also, low cheap, hard to port coding, hardware? Why do you think devs prefer porting games to XBOX/PS3 now? Because it's easier to do? Nintendo had even troubles bringing We Dare to USA

No, that wasn't it. There is no parents policy and I don't know where you get this antiquated hardware idea from.

O RLY Nintendo has not any parental limits when it comes down to their consoles/games?? You must be blind as ... hahaha

If you were to know how to code a little, you'd understand last Nintendo consoles had been terribly underpowered, and Nintendo, because of their "antiquated" way of business wouldn't even lend their SDKs to 3rd parties, thus, leaving the devs figuring how to rewrite /port games from a PC/XBOX arquitecture to an ol' apple G3/G4. This means wasting time and money, thus, ... hey 3DS games announced at launch day were cancelled do you remember? Well, that's a good example.

 

[Eerpow]

Parents policy? You clearly don't know what you're talking about. Nintendo hasn't refused "mature" games since the SNES days. If that was true, Snake Eater 3D, No More Heroes, Mad World, Geist, Resident Evil: Revelations and Resident Evil 4 wouldn't be on their platforms.

Yeah that's A LOT OF MATURE /3RD PARTY GAMES. Unlike on their PS3/XBOX counter parts. Even Dreamcast, a console dead in late's 2001 had more 3rd party support than these great titles you've mentioned

btw you didn't quote the whole example so i'll leave it here:

1. Nintendo "parents" policy, by not having sex-explicit, hardcore, adult games for mature audience. Yes there are few games like COD, Madworld, etc. Hence the system aimed for children and/or families. Heck Mario Sunshine was great, retro and all that, but... mario galaxy?! Can't you be more gay/friendly mario? (I don't even hate gays or something) Where are those pseudo arcade franchises you developed for us Nintendo? Starfox64 15 years ago?

Ever thought that was because there wasn't major third-party support instead of a ridiculous "parents" policy?

And did you know the lack of 3rd party support was because of their idiotic "parents" policy, and also, low cheap, hard to port coding, hardware? Why do you think devs prefer porting games to XBOX/PS3 now? Because it's easier to do? Nintendo had even troubles bringing We Dare to USA

It's not a Nintendo policy the We Dare thing was a rating related issue, you know it got released in Europe with Nintendo's approval.
Nintendo has no problems with mature games for their system, the hardware is the only factor in this problem.
Ever seen games like Madworld or even worse, Manhunt?
As long as these titles receive appropriate ratings Nintendo has no problem with them.

 

[NeoGohan]

And did you know the lack of 3rd party support was because of their idiotic "parents" policy, and also, low cheap, hard to port coding, hardware? Why do you think devs prefer porting games to XBOX/PS3 now? Because it's easier to do? Nintendo had even troubles bringing We Dare to USA

No, that wasn't it. There is no parents policy and I don't know where you get this antiquated hardware idea from.

O RLY Nintendo has not any parental limits when it comes down to their consoles/games?? You must be blind as ... hahaha

it looks like you don't know what you are talking about.

 

[Foxi4]

they are not catching up. they are going further.
when you know the system will have AT LEAST 1.5GB of ram(it's 2GB now i think) and the OS will need 512MB, you know they are going further than just "catching up with current gen".

Too little too late considering that their competitors will soon release superior hardware. Nintendo IS catching up - you're comparing the WiiU to 6-year old hardware.

 

[LightyKD]

I don't see where making a low cost gaming device is a bad thing. It's called catering to a DIFFERENT market. Hell, the PS2 was still around for most of the current gen. Not everybody has the money to feed into Iwata's piggy bank. I love how so many people act as if it's easy for people to buy a 3DS, a Vita, Wii U or some other high end gaming device. We're still in a recession the last time I checked. I think these older systems need to stick around so that there's something for everyone. Honestly, if Nintendo wanted to keep the current Wii alive, all they would have to do is offer up some help to indie and low end devs in regards to getting their games published. I'm just going to be frank. No network enabled console should ever be 100% dead. Not when the price of development for the platform continues to cheapen and there are always news ways to keep the device active via a network.