Iwata: Wii U/3DS will cater to core gamers first, mass market second

[Foxi4]

Core means system selling titles. Herp derp
Not hardcore

Core ---> For the core gamer ---> For the gamer who doesn't give two flips about what system the game is for as long as the game's interesting for whatever reason.

 

[Guild McCommunist]

Well it's hard to appeal to a core audience when you're still using fucking circle pads.

Protip: Use analog sticks like you're supposed to.

 

[LightyKD]

While that console succeeded in attracting new customers with more casual titles such as Wii Sports, he admitted Nintendo had then struggled to convince core gamers to take the platform seriously, which negatively impacted the system's long term success.

Well maybe the Wii would have continued doing well if you hadn't dropped all fucking support for the system in 2011.

> Core titles
> Super Mario 3D Land, Kid Icarus: Uprising, Ocarina of Time 3D and Mario Kart 7

*leaves thread*

Because those aren't core titles?

Ex - Fraking - actly. I LOVE Nintendo like crazy but they constantly piss me off with this notion that they have to kill the current console a year before the new one comes out. As much as I hate Sony, Nintendo could take a pair from their book and allow the current console to stick around for another few years while the new one gains it's user base. They could use the "leaving" console to grab new inde devs and smaller companies and also use the older system as a training ground for the next system, Also Nintendo could still rack up the dough from software sales and licensing fees from the smaller devs still using the older console.

"Nintendo! What... the... frak... is... wrong... with YOU!?"

There's money to be made from all angles yet they refuse to accept it. Not every person will be dropping money for a Wii U. There are a LOT of people who A) got the Wii because it was cheap and B) who absolutely love Nintendo yet, do not have the money to keep pouring into new hardware.

 

[MelodieOctavia]

You want to know what core titles are?

Skyrim
CoD games
Diablo
Uncharted
Battlefield
Torchlight
Borderlands

the list goes on, but Mario, Kirby, LoZ, Kid Icarus, etc... are NOT on that list.

 

[NeoGohan]

You want to know what core titles are?

Skyrim
CoD games
Diablo
Uncharted
Battlefield
Torchlight
Borderlands

the list goes on, but Mario, Kirby, LoZ, Kid Icarus, etc... are NOT on that list.

 

[Heran Bago]

Anyone can talk, Iwata. Talk is cheap.

*leaves thread*

If you want to leave a thread then just do it. Don't post about doing it and then not do it.

 

[MelodieOctavia]

You want to know what core titles are?

Skyrim
CoD games
Diablo
Uncharted
Battlefield
Torchlight
Borderlands

the list goes on, but Mario, Kirby, LoZ, Kid Icarus, etc... are NOT on that list.

Like it or not, they fit the definition of core games. I personally hate the series.

 

[KingVamp]

You want to know what core titles are?

Skyrim
CoD games
Diablo
Uncharted
Battlefield
Torchlight
Borderlands

the list goes on, but Mario, Kirby, LoZ, Kid Icarus, etc... are NOT on that list.

How do people do it? Oh yes, like this.
>Make up a random list without explanation.
>Expects people to take your post seriously.

 

[Guild McCommunist]

How do people do it? Oh yes, like this.
>Make up a random list without explanation.
>Expects people to take this post seriously.

Well all of those are relatively kick ass games the Wii U isn't getting.

So yeah. At least I can get like... all of those except Uncharted and Diablo. Well I have Uncharted: Golden Abyss but nothing main series.

 

[Jan1tor]

The Wii U controller has all the inputs of a regular controller. If they don't want to use the tablet screen, just put a goddamn Crytek logo there.

No it doesn't. Where are the analog triggers? They're a standard on controllers since PS2 times - where are they? That's a big issue I have with the controller.

Nintendo has the time to add cameras and a touchscreen to the controller but couldn't add something as simple as analog triggers?

And what's with the slider mania? Why not analog sticks with a button underneath them like in the case of PS3 and the 360 - a feature that should become a staple of the next generation systems? Sliders *aren't comfortable*, you use them on portable systems, not home console controllers.

The WiiU controller is *not* a typical controller, this much has to be said. It adds new features but lacks in those that should be standard by now.

But it does have the triggers on the underside as well as left & right buttons on the top. There is a picture of the back of the controller here http://sickr.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/wii-u-back.jpg

 

[KingVamp]

How do people do it? Oh yes, like this.
>Make up a random list without explanation.
>Expects people to take this post seriously.

Well all of those are relatively kick ass games the Wii U isn't getting.

So yeah. At least I can get like... all of those except Uncharted and Diablo. Well I have Uncharted: Golden Abyss but nothing main series.

You don't know what the future holds and there are possible sequels that can possibly go on the wii u,but that besides the point.

The point is, the words "core titles" are only seem to be used to fit one personal agendas now a days vs what they actually are
base on this thread.

 

[Foxi4]

But it does have the triggers on the underside as well as left & right buttons on the top. There is a picture of the back of the controller here http://sickr.files.w.../wii-u-back.jpg

Analog, pressure-sensitive triggers a'la Gamecube is what I want. Those don't look pressure-sensitive to me, but I may be wrong.

*leaves thread*

If you want to leave a thread then just do it. Don't post about doing it and then not do it.

I'm merely answering to people who quote me, my stance has been thoroughly explained by now and I have nothing to add to it - it's right there in the first post.

Ignoring inquiries would be rude to say the least, but I suppose you have a point.

 

[Coto]

I love these threads, and some trolling words from somebody causing a lot of debates on internet.

3DS has great Nintendo-sided titles, whose I love, but it lacks 3rd party support. You see, a more variety of games(which I prefer because of gameplay). I already have enough platformers, Mario everywhere, Kirby and zeldas. Ideas like street fighter running on Nintendo systems is what I'm talking about.

 

[Catastrophic]

I'd say Mario games are about as "core" as you can get. Excluding the "oh wow, Wii Sports!!!" and "I'm hardcore because all I play is what people tell me is cool" people, the real reason most people buy a system over another is because of the game selection. You buy a Nintendo system expecting a Mario, Zelda, Smash Brothers, et al knowing you can't get those games elsewhere. That has alwasys been Nintendo's core audience.

This is what I tried to tackle earlier though - it's a core title for Nintendo's audience and little to nobody else unless it's expertly done.

The problem with iconic characters is that they carry a stigma of implied repetitiveness. A person who does not follow the development of for example Pokemon games will say "Black and White 2? Dude, I already played one Pokemon game - I played them all." which is not always the case, obviously.

A core title should appeal to a wider audience than just the fans of a given franchise or company, but I suppose it's a matter of personal opinion.

it is a matter of personal opinion. The way I understand you is that a core game is a well crafted game that a wide variety of people can enjoy. However, doesn't a wide variety of people enjoy games such as Mario, Zelda etc? If people buy a Nintendo console then one can only assume they buy Nintendo games, so why shouldn't the Nintendo audience be counted as core gamers than anyone else? Just because they like a specific series doesn't mean they hate others.

 

[LightyKD]

I'd say Mario games are about as "core" as you can get. Excluding the "oh wow, Wii Sports!!!" and "I'm hardcore because all I play is what people tell me is cool" people, the real reason most people buy a system over another is because of the game selection. You buy a Nintendo system expecting a Mario, Zelda, Smash Brothers, et al knowing you can't get those games elsewhere. That has alwasys been Nintendo's core audience.

This is what I tried to tackle earlier though - it's a core title for Nintendo's audience and little to nobody else unless it's expertly done.

The problem with iconic characters is that they carry a stigma of implied repetitiveness. A person who does not follow the development of for example Pokemon games will say "Black and White 2? Dude, I already played one Pokemon game - I played them all." which is not always the case, obviously.

A core title should appeal to a wider audience than just the fans of a given franchise or company, but I suppose it's a matter of personal opinion.

it is a matter of personal opinion. The way I understand you is that a core game is a well crafted game that a wide variety of people can enjoy. However, doesn't a wide variety of people enjoy games such as Mario, Zelda etc? If people buy a Nintendo console then one can only assume they buy Nintendo games, so why shouldn't the Nintendo audience be counted as core gamers than anyone else? Just because they like a specific series doesn't mean they hate others.

You must have forgotten that according to most of the gaming world, Nintendo gamers aren't real gamers and I say this with aggravation in my voice. Look at gaming websites and magazines and how they treat Nintendo and those of us who play their consoles. It's why I hate terms like "Core Games" and "Hardcore Gamers". Honestly, "Hardcore Gamers" are just duchebags who treat gaming as a blood sport. -Nuff said

 

[YayMii]

Just jumping in here. They mentioned "core games". Aren't those the games that are important to the company?

 

[Guild McCommunist]

In all honesty, a lot of Nintendo gamers only consider "core games" to be their Marios and Zeldas and Metroids. I mean we've already seen some boos and hisses here when someone had the audacity to bring up Call of Duty as a "core" game.

I mean it's just two sides of the coin. Nintendo hardcore fans will see their Nintendo exclusives as "core games" while other people will see other things as "core games". I think we're a bit too busy arguing definitions that are unique to each individual and not the whole "Iwata is saying he's not producing as much casual shit" issue at hand.

EDIT: For the record I was pretty tired when I wrote this so I have no fucking clue if it makes sense.

 

[Midna]

In all honesty, a lot of Nintendo gamers only consider "core games" to be their Marios and Zeldas and Metroids. I mean we've already seen some boos and hisses here when someone had the audacity to bring up Call of Duty as a "core" game.

I mean it's just two sides of the coin. Nintendo hardcore fans will see their Nintendo exclusives as "core games" while other people will see other things as "core games". I think we're a bit too busy arguing definitions that are unique to each individual and not the whole "Iwata is saying he's not producing as much casual shit" issue at hand.

EDIT: For the record I was pretty tired when I wrote this so I have no fucking clue if it makes sense.

I am for once finding myself in complete agreement with Guild
You should post when you're tired more often

 

[ferofax]

You want to know what core titles are?

Skyrim
CoD games
Diablo
Uncharted
Battlefield
Torchlight
Borderlands

the list goes on, but Mario, Kirby, LoZ, Kid Icarus, etc... are NOT on that list.

Five pages in and people are still confusing "core titles" with "hard core titles".

just proves how "out-of-touch" Nintendo and western gamers are. I think what Iwata was trying to say when he meant "core games" is that they are the nucleus of Nintendo. they are central games, easily identifiable as Nintendo's own and none other. which is why Resident Evil was not mentioned. just take the word "core" and go look at the dictionary. Nintendo is trying to win back their core gamers (fanbase), and what better to win them over than titles that has Nintendo all over it? i mean, they wouldn't be fans if they didn't at least like Nintendo games.

EDIT: anyways, core titles will always be different between consoles/gaming platforms. don't be so stiff about it, people. the whole gaming world does not revolve on those titles alone, especially not where Nintendo is concerned.

Just jumping in here. They mentioned "core games". Aren't those the games that are important to the company?

This. They are games that build a console (and a company) up. They are games that their platforms are famous for. That should put into light how relevant those "core titles" are to Nintendo.

 

[MelodieOctavia]

You want to know what core titles are?

Skyrim
CoD games
Diablo
Uncharted
Battlefield
Torchlight
Borderlands

the list goes on, but Mario, Kirby, LoZ, Kid Icarus, etc... are NOT on that list.

Five pages in and people are still confusing "core titles" with "hard core titles".

just proves how "out-of-touch" Nintendo and western gamers are. I think what Iwata was trying to say when he meant "core games" is that they are the nucleus of Nintendo. they are central games, easily identifiable as Nintendo's own and none other. which is why Resident Evil was not mentioned. just take the word "core" and go look at the dictionary. Nintendo is trying to win back their core gamers (fanbase), and what better to win them over than titles that has Nintendo all over it? i mean, they wouldn't be fans if they didn't at least like Nintendo games.

EDIT: anyways, core titles will always be different between consoles/gaming platforms. don't be so stiff about it, people. the whole gaming world does not revolve on those titles alone, especially not where Nintendo is concerned.

Just jumping in here. They mentioned "core games". Aren't those the games that are important to the company?

This. They are games that build a console (and a company) up. They are games that their platforms are famous for. That should put into light how relevant those "core titles" are to Nintendo.

So...in other words "We are going to be doing the same shit we've been doing for the past 15 years"? I'm pretty sure that's not what he meant.