Hacking What happened to the 3Dbrew ?

[Ziggy Zigzagoon]

well here it seems they gathered the 2000 needed for decapping the 3ds
http://n-dev.net/donate.php

Aiyah!

Wow!!A big news !This means that the 3DS will be completely hacked in the near future !Is this the advertisers' contribution?

I think that they gathered all at once the donations that had been on queue. (Do you remember when the donation count was 'stuck'?)

 

[Pleng]

This means that the 3DS will be completely hacked in the near future !

No it doesn't

 

[Ziver.W]

No it doesn't

Why not?

 

[porkiewpyne]

Why not?

Just because it has the potential to =/= guarantee unlike what many people think. Jumping the gun and hoping for unicorns is just setting you up for disappointment. Watch as some noobs break down and cry while blaming and accusing the team of letting them down/scamming or whatever should this decapping not turn out how they want it.

 

[Thorhian]

Just because it has the potential to =/= guarantee unlike what many people think. Jumping the gun and hoping for unicorns is just setting you up for disappointment. Watch as some noobs break down and cry while blaming and accusing the team of letting them down/scamming or whatever should this decapping not turn out how they want it.

Exactly. It would be worse than the AMD Bulldozer fiasco, even if there are less people complaining....... Wow, that will be really bad when people come on and say that crap.

However, at the same time, even if it doesnt give us an exploit, it can give us an extraordinary insight on how that SoC even works, which will be important no matter what lol.

 

[goldensox]

Exactly. It would be worse than the AMD Bulldozer fiasco...

Care to explain please?

 

[Rydian]

Care to explain please?

IIRC (it's been a while)...

AMD came out with "bulldozer", a codename for one of it's architecture refreshes... this is not an uncommon thing to do at all, in fact coming out with new architecture revisions every 2-3 years is completely normal for AMD and Intel, and they usually just decrease power drain and/or increase efficiency a bit (or add some minor feature).

However AMD saw fit to advertise Bulldozer as being this amazing new unicorn-fartsparkle stuff, and when it came out it turns out it actually had a bug in the design that made it perform worse. People were not happy.

 

[Thorhian]

IIRC (it's been a while)...

AMD came out with "bulldozer", a codename for one of it's architecture refreshes... this is not an uncommon thing to do at all, in fact coming out with new architecture revisions every 2-3 years is completely normal for AMD and Intel, and they usually just decrease power drain and/or increase efficiency a bit (or add some minor feature).

However AMD saw fit to advertise Bulldozer as being this amazing new unicorn-fartsparkle stuff, and when it came out it turns out it actually had a bug in the design that made it perform worse. People were not happy.

And now im waiting for steamroller before considering a new CPU for my Crosshair V Formula (was bought after Bulldozer came out; I needed a good MoBo for my Thuban).

But yeah, Overclock.net was pretty bad for a while, I wonder what would happen if we don't crush make people realize that their hopes may not be fulfilled solely on the Decap.

 

[nukeboy95]

they are not ip-banning him and he wont leave

 

[blinkzane]

all they're doing is decapping the 3ds, that doesn't mean anything. they will probably release the codes and someone else will try to work with it.

 

[Ziver.W]

they are not ip-banning him and he wont leave

What ??

 

[goldensox]

Question from an interested lurker:

What kind of data can the chip decap give to the 3DBrew folks? I don't believe it is possible to rip codes or anything from the chip utilizing external sources, so it's more about how the chips interact with eachother right? I'm just asking because I want to learn more.

 

[Ziver.W]

Question from an interested lurker:

What kind of data can the chip decap give to the 3DBrew folks? I don't believe it is possible to rip codes or anything from the chip utilizing external sources, so it's more about how the chips interact with eachother right? I'm just asking because I want to learn more.

I don't clear,but it sounds great,isn't it?

 

[Pogostick]

Bumpty! What happened to the decapping fundraiser button. When I click the "here" button, the donation page won't come up.

 

[the_randomizer]

Uh....that thing, well...

 

[Snailface]

Bumpty! What happened to the decapping fundraiser button. When I click the "here" button, the donation page won't come up.

Its right on the front page, I guess your cache isn't refreshed or you're not looking.
http://3dbrew.org/wiki/Fundraiser

 

[osirisjem]

well here it seems they gathered the 2000 needed for decapping the 3ds
http://n-dev.net/donate.php

 

[corim123]

http://3dbrew.org/wiki/Fundraiser
You couldn't read the post above you?

 

[bkifft]

Question from an interested lurker:

What kind of data can the chip decap give to the 3DBrew folks? I don't believe it is possible to rip codes or anything from the chip utilizing external sources, so it's more about how the chips interact with eachother right? I'm just asking because I want to learn more.

Well, sometimes it is possible to extract logic or even code by decapping. A few years ago someone broke a smartcard crypto engine by decapping and delayering it's chip, taking highdef pictures and anaylizing the logic gate structures.

http://media.ccc.de/browse/conferences/camp2011/cccamp11-4500-reviving_smart_card_analysis-en.html is a nice talk regarding the techniques used.

There are also companies who specialize on getting software out of microcontrollers (officially for the ("oh noes. we've lost our codebase and need to extract our program from our own product", but there are most likely also cases of "lets see what our competitor did there").