Hacking UniiLoader

[sorgelig]

ReactOS® is a free, modern operating system based on the design of Windows® XP/2003.
that is a joke (sarcasm).
You think microsoft have to react on every funny person? They can play this game unless they will "hurt" MS business.
Some people are using software illegaly. Since they are still not fined or arrested, should we call this software as freeware?

QUOTEAlso, you still don't realize that you are hurting us all, limiting our freedom to modify your software.

No need to modify software which is not finished yet. At least from my point of view. After that i would release source code. Don't you agree? Couldn't you use it without customisation right now?
Why people are so unpatient?

 

[megazig]

he doesn't distribute sneek with an official IOS. you have to download that yourself.

you not being ready to release source means you're not ready to release binary either.
thank you for trying to not break the 3 sofware licenses that you initially did

 

[Omega191]

ReactOS® is a free, modern operating system based on the design of Windows® XP/2003.

that is a joke (sarcasm).
You think microsoft have to react on every funny person? They can play this game unless they will "hurt" MS business.
Some people are using software illegaly. Since they are still not fined or arrested, should we call this software as freeware?

This is not a joke, most of the developers also work on the Wine project. And the code is out, you can check it out.

 

[sorgelig]

Sorry, yeah I know that I was just thinking about SNEEK's DI module when I posted, which IS completely replaced.

DI module also doesn't replace whole Nintendo's DI code. Try to use SNEEK's DI plugin without injecting it into original module. It won't work.
So, it still requires N code. Code can be different. not exactly executable bytes, but also headers and other info-data. It's still N's code

I want to tell you very scarry secret.. shhhh.... DOL format is also under Nintendo's license... tsss... don't tell anybody, otherwise gbatemp will prohibit to distribute all DOL files

 

[Wiisel]

using wode GC Ikaruga has some black lined bars running across the screen not present when loaded from disc channel.


Am I the only one playing with this??

 

[XFlak]

I want to tell you very scarry secret.. shhhh.... DOL format is also under Nintendo's license... tsss... don't tell anybody, otherwise gbatemt will prohibit to distribute all DOL files

dude, some things are better left unsaid!

 

[megazig]

especially when dead wrong. they didn't license a file format

 

[sorgelig]

especially when dead wrong. they didn't license a file format

If it said by megazig then it's absolutely true!
They don't need to license every file format they made. It's simply part of license of development kit.

 

[OncleJulien]

Am I the only one playing with this??

i thought he was talking about this.

 

[oggzee]

Heh if I may jump in this mess... both parties are right.
- People requesting GPL conformance (not releasing source does break GPL)
- and sorgelig stating that the app already violates so many nintendo's IP that it doesn't matter if one more license is broken or not.
But sorge, i don't understand why you're running away scared. No one can't enforce GPL on you. There is no GPL police. There's only a GPL mob with pitchforks. But why do you let yourself be scared from that? I too am breaking gpl with each release of cfg loader, since i wait a couple of weeks before uploading the source of the latest cfg release and i never upload sources of alphas and betas, if you want to nitpick that is not gpl compliant. But eventually a week or two after a release i do upload the source. Which was your plan from start if i get it right. Oh and if you want to dig in GPL even deeper, there are some provisions that allow you some delayed time before releasing the source, if you look at section 8 (termination) the time mentioned is 30 or 60 days. So my suggestion is, keep on releasing the binaries, i know you need testers, but do release the source within one month time frame. I think everyone will be happy this way.

 

[megazig]

there is no GPL police, but there is the FSF. they handle ensuring licensing all the time including in matters of court cases

 

[w!!]

Agree with Oggzee... besides... a bunch of hackers aren't going to bring up a lawsuit against you for using their "gpl'd" stuff when they are probably in gray areas themselves (not just licenses). And as another post said... it's your software. I think it would be nice to conform to GPL as oggzee says, but don't let ppl who are impatient idiots stop you from doing great work.

Edit: not calling the FSF a bunch of hackers... but they will only take up cases when there is some sort of monetary involvement or other claim (ip violation, etc) that would seriously damage the protection of software being released under GPL provides. I doubt they would get involved in any Nintendo Wii homebrew app stuff.

 

[megazig]

ok, I may be taking this a bit far, I think the main point wasn't threats or anything like that. it was to get sorelig to release source as he should have. that's all I see the people wanting really

 

[sorgelig]

oggzee,
i'm not scared. I simple don't need additional headache. I've hesitated to release it to public originally because there is really no any benefit from this. I have it in the form i like it, so what else i can desire? At last, i've released but already regret...
It's not a commercial software. I'm making it for fun. If fun ends - willing to do it also ends.

megazig,
They also handles cases when somebody made commercial code as GPL?

(no need to answer)

 

[Slimmmmmm]

I think I need to say oggzees post seems the most thought out post, some people are too quick to jump in here, I hope they first tried pms etc.

Sorg said he would release the source but needs time (read oggzees post above), sorg also needs a LOT of people testing this so that more HDDs/SDs, wode versions/fw, situations, scenarios are tested BEFORE he can start giving out the source which is very unfinished and untested.

A little patience is needed, so lets move on from this fight and concentrate on the release instead, if we don't talk about bugs etc then it may take longer to see sources.

Back on topic

@ Wiisel, Ikaruga has some black bars for me too running it from any of the wode loaders, or disc chan. I'm pal 2.3 with force region on for some usa games btw.

I'm playing a lot too btw

I LOVE seeing my GC and Wii and everything else in groups of faves

, I'll be playing with that more than the games

I'll need to recheck Ikaruga, but I thought it was normal ?

 

[moosehunter]

Sorry, yeah I know that I was just thinking about SNEEK's DI module when I posted, which IS completely replaced.

DI module also doesn't replace whole Nintendo's DI code. Try to use SNEEK's DI plugin without injecting it into original module. It won't work.
So, it still requires N code. Code can be different. not exactly executable bytes, but also headers and other info-data. It's still N's code

I want to tell you very scarry secret.. shhhh.... DOL format is also under Nintendo's license... tsss... don't tell anybody, otherwise gbatemp will prohibit to distribute all DOL files

Well, I guess if you want to use that definition then yeah, it does contain code from Nintendo. Either way, it's copyrighted by Nintendo. Although it's not any more legal than those wad forwarders that were really popular a year or two ago. (Do many people still use them?)

 

[Omega191]

Dear sorgelig,
Reverse Engineering isn't decompiling a program and writing it again. It's about understanding how the program works. If you write a program yourself, you may use any license you want, but you chose to use the work of others, so you have to play by their rules. And one of the rules is releasing source of request (and tueidj did ask (nicely)).

I thank you for your attention.

Yours truly,

Omega

 

[sorgelig]

Well, I guess if you want to use that definition then yeah, it does contain code from Nintendo. Either way, it's copyrighted by Nintendo. Although it's not any more legal than those wad forwarders that were really popular a year or two ago. (Do many people still use them?)

yeah.. that's what i've tried to tell many times. What pirate level you will call as pirating

How much you have to violate to call you as violator

It's not a question of "yes or not", but "how much yes than no"...

 

[sorgelig]

Reverse Engineering isn't decompiling a program and writing it again.

Dear Omega191. I know what is Reverse engineering because i did it a lot in the past and still doing. Cases i'm talking is exactly decompiling and writting again.
If you know how to use IDAPro, then load original ES module (inside 0000000E.app for example) and compare with SNEEK's ES module. You will find amasingly identical code except some integrated patches to circumvent Nintendo's protection. What is that? The same to FFS module except that NAND part has been replaced by FAT code (non-GPL by the way) and some Nintendo's protection has been removed.

May be you just guess, but i know what i'm talking about.

So, using SNEEK's code, who's code are you using? Nintendo's or crediar's? And why commercial code so f**king identical to GPLed code?
Another funny question: Could be GPLed code be observed to understand how it works and new code written under another license? If GPL allows you to produce GPL from commercial code by this way, then why you can't produce code under other license by the same way from GPL?

Also you even don't need to look into N's license. Every commercial license has clause where is written: You are NOT allowed to decompile, stady or reverse engineer its code.

 

[sorgelig]

One intereting fact i didn't mention yet.

There was NO any PM about requesting source code. I believe if you really need it then you would at least to try PM. Nope.. No any singe PM.
I just received PM today from admin telling me that he deleted some links by request.

What it means - tolls playing for public

Somebody affraids i will take too much attention?
Well, i'm not professional in advertisements.. I'm not familiar with youtube. I don't like to warm-up public by posting amazing video half (or may be whole) year before real release and see how people are impatiently bite each other just with one reason - don't let people forget about you

I release what i've done without sweat promising what i will (probably, may be, if somebody will pay - please mark suitable) do.