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Seriously, people are so over-defensive about their fictional creature lore. I mean, Twilight is shit (well, not totally, the 3rd movie was, I must admit, remotely enjoyable for some reason), but True Blood is actually decent. I'm willing to bet that if they made their own original creature instead of using vampires, no one would get butthurt over these insignificant things. Not everything has to be Bram Stoker suck blood Bela Lugosi kills you all.

On topic, as I mentioned, True Blood is actually a decent show that gets pretty enjoyable at times.
 
They could call the creatures "Angst-pires", or any other name, and it still wouldn't solve the stupid supernatural romance at the center of the show and the laughably bad and narmy metaphors for the gay community.

And, you know, werepanthers.
 
Gahars said:
They could call the creatures "Angst-pires", or any other name, and it still wouldn't solve the stupid supernatural romance at the center of the show and the laughably bad and narmy metaphors for the gay community.

And, you know, werepanthers.
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" the laughably bad and narmy metaphors for the gay community" You the spokesperson for the gay community are you?

WerePanthers are f**king epic man
 
Spokesperson? Actually yes I am. Right on the payroll, too.

Obviously no, but come on. The show has to obnoxiously hit you over the head constantly with this crap. The creators might as well walk out and yell, "It's about gay people! Vampires represent gay people! It's topical!" to the audience. We're not stupid; a five year old could pick this up.

I'd be fine with it if it was more subtle (Using fantastical creatures/settings/etc. as allegories for contemporary issues is an old idea that can be great, if done well). But it isn't, at all. It's painful to have to sit through. It isn't clever or original; it is just grating and stupid.

As for werepanthers...

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I'm sorry, even without the poorly handled metaphors, there is simply no way to take this seriously in any context. Awesome for a comedy, bad for a dramatic series.
 
Gahars said:
Spokesperson? Actually yes I am. Right on the payroll, too.

Obviously no, but come on. The show has to obnoxiously hit you over the head constantly with this crap. The creators might as well walk out and yell, "It's about gay people! Vampires represent gay people! It's topical!" to the audience. We're not stupid; a five year old could pick this up.

I'd be fine with it if it was more subtle (Using fantastical creatures/settings/etc. as allegories for contemporary issues is an old idea that can be great, if done well). But it isn't, at all. It's painful to have to sit through. It isn't clever or original; it is just grating and stupid.

As for werepanthers...

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I'm sorry, even without the poorly handled metaphors, there is simply no way to take this seriously in any context. Awesome for a comedy, bad for a dramatic series.
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And you could make a better show?
Dude if you dislike it this much because of the "gay metaphors" why f**king watch it up to the second season, since the werepanthers come out in the 2nd season, and the "gay metaphors" are heavy during season 1
 
"And you could do better" is the worst possible response. The issue isn't whether or not I could make a better show, but the quality of the show itself under the current creative team. Just as a heads up, that argument betrays a sense of desperation from the person who uses it.

I didn't watch it up to the second season; why would I waste so much time on this dreck? The werepanther thing is kind of infamous. Not just on the internet, either; if I remember correctly, Joel McHale had a good bit about it on The Soup.

Because, hey, if they can keep an audience even with the stupid romance plot and anvilicious metaphors, they might as well jump over as many sharks as they can find!
 
Well the fact still remains that its one of the most popular tv shows out there at the moment, you cant argue with the facts
 
I blame Anne Rice for the current state of vampires...

Still there's always 30 days of night (And the sequel) as well as Prowl if you want to watch vampires that aren't looking for love and brooding over immortality...
 
Skyrix said:
Well the fact still remains that its one of the most popular tv shows out there at the moment, you cant argue with the facts

So now you're resorting to the popularity argument? Alright...

Just because something is popular, doesn't make it good. Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (I haven't seen the 3rd, so I'll be generous and give it the benefit of the doubt) was the second most popular (in terms of ticket sales) movie released in 2009... and yet it was the movie equivalent of a turd sandwich. The fact that it sold well did not make it any better.

Or for another example, the black plague was once so popular, a third of Europe once had it. I doubt you'll find many who would call that illness "good".

Also, it isn't one of the most popular tv shows at the moment. It seems to do pretty well on HBO, but it (being subscription based) doesn't attract a lot of viewers in general. It is considered good for an HBO or Showtime (Where, off topic, Dexter beats it if I remember correctly. If you want a show about a sympathetic "monster", watch that. You'll thank me later.) program, but if it were on a cable channel, would be considered disappointing.

So, yeah. The fact that you couldn't even try to refute my last argument and instead jumped to a weak "popularity=quality" point is pretty telling. There isn't much to be defended in this lame excuse for a television series.

QUOTE(Skyrix @ Aug 17 2011, 11:54 PM) For me True Blood is my fave vampire show at the moment, I cant see anything better
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That is because there are no good shows about vampires on tv.

Here, do yourself a favor. Go online, find From Dusk Till Dawn, Nosferatu, the graphic novel 30 Days of Night (Telal, thanks for reminding me it existed. It's been awhile since I read it), or Bram Stroker's Dracula (among other classics) if you must watch vampire fiction. Otherwise, you're just wasting your time on crap.
 
But the thing about popularity with True Blood is that because its a TV SHOW people have three seasons to decide whether or not to continue so it cant be equivelant to a turd sandwitch like you said about transformers
 
Skyrix said:
nando said:
Gahars said:
That is because there are no good shows about vampires on tv.\


Being Human


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Amended statement to what I meant to say, sorry for leaving the crucial word out.

However, I will make an exception for Being Human; I have heard it is good, but I have never seen it, so I will give it the benefit of the doubt. (Isn't that about a werewolf and ghost as well? More of a broad range of supernatural beings, not just focused on vampires?)


QUOTE(Skyrix @ Aug 18 2011, 02:20 AM)
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But the thing about popularity with True Blood is that because its a TV SHOW people have three seasons to decide whether or not to continue so it cant be equivelant to a turd sandwitch like you said about transformers
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That still doesn't mean anything. After all, people still tune in in droves to shows like the Jersey Shore, Two and a Half Men, The Secret Life of the American Teenager, etc., but that still doesn't those make shows good in any way. Plus, some of the greatest television shows of all time were tremendously unpopular. Star Trek, Freaks and Geeks, and the like were all unpopular when they first aired, but have since gained a legacy of being classics. Like I've been saying, the amount of people who like something has no effect on its actual quality.

So yes, it can still be the televised equivalent of a turd sandwich.

EDIT And Nathan Drake, you are a funny man.
 
Skyrix said:
Well the fact still remains that its one of the most popular tv shows out there at the moment, you cant argue with the facts

So is Glee and that thing is a fucking piece of shit unless you enjoy classic songs being bludgeoned to death by flamboyant high schoolers.

QUOTE(nando @ Aug 18 2011, 07:29 AM) Being Human
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I'm pretty sure that's about a vampire, werewolf, and ghost sharing an apartment together or something like that.

Vampire Diaries looks like even larger shit than True Blood.

I enjoy shows that portray an important message but having it slap you in the face so hard as True Blood does is often too much. It's essentially just riding this whole popularization of "hot vampires" in culture today, even if it was "before" the Twilight craze. It's riding that wave as much as the Vampire Diaries are.

Honestly, vampires were designed to fuck-ugly monsters who want nothing more than to suck the life force out of you. This "popularization" of them as hip and modern is just stupid.

Also, werepanthers basically negate any counterargument. There's jumping the shark, nuking the fridge, and werepanthers.
 

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