Sony seeks to ID fail0verflow PS3 hackers

[ciris]

Source
http://www.gamespot.com/news/6298000.html?...nes%3Btitle%3B1

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please delete this topic mods. I see its been mentioned already

http://gbatemp.net/t277937-sony-expanding-...all-ps3-hackers

 

[Sterling]

Christ, I'm pretty sure asking for all this is violating these people's rights somewhere.

 

[NostalgicMillennial]

Sony is really starting to become a douschebag of a company...

 

[Giratina3]

Can they take a hint.
Sony you have failed.
You can't win against hackers.
Because you don't have the powers of Miles Edgeworth or Phoenix Wright on your side.

JESUS CHRIST Can't this die? Although sony is bound to fail.

Hackers will "ALWAYS" win!

 

[Livin in a box]

Sony is really starting to become a douschebag of a company...

Why, because they're protecting their devices?

EDIT: Fixed grammatical error.

 

[CarbonX13]

Sony is really starting to become a douschebag of a company...

More like making a better attempt to protecting their system that they made? I mean, if you look at it from a neutral perspective, it'd look like Sony cares more about the PS3 than Nintendo does about the DS and Wii combined.

 

[Raiser]

Sony is really starting to become a douschebag of a company...

Why, because their protecting their devices?

This.

I can see why people may get irritated over some of Sony's rash decisions, but what's wrong with going after people that have practically opened your product to piracy? Even if their (the hackers') intents were for homebrew (psh), they still enabled piracy.

 

[GameWinner]

Sony is really starting to become a douschebag of a company...

Why, because their protecting their devices?

This right here.
I mean seriously if you owned a big company and all of the sudden you started
losing money because of pirates, would you go after the person who caused this?

 

[chrisrlink]

how long you think til they taget the indiviual user who installed CFW hombrew and pirated games? i mean since they collect data if they have the power tell interpol/fbi to raid houses of people who did hack their ps3's?

 

[Sterling]

Sony is really starting to become a douschebag of a company...

Why, because their protecting their devices?

This right here.
I mean seriously if you owned a big company and all of the sudden you started
losing money because of pirates, would you go after the person who caused this?

Its not just Geohot though. Now Sony has gone after every hacker. Not only is this stupid to mess with the people who have shown a bit of restraint in completely opening the PS3, but this just pisses potential customers off who know they are just suing people and not fixing things. When Sony finally realizes that the files will never be removed from the internet, and they decide to finally do something to FIX the problem, then there won't be anymore potential customers. The people who buy their stuff will move onto a competator, and not return to Sony until they make something more desirable.

 

[omgpwn666]

Sony is really starting to become a douschebag of a company...

Why, because their protecting their devices?

This right here.
I mean seriously if you owned a big company and all of the sudden you started
losing money because of pirates, would you go after the person who caused this?

Its not just Geohot though. Now Sony has gone after every hacker. Not only is this stupid to mess with the people who have shown a bit of restraint in completely opening the PS3, but this just pisses potential customers off who know they are just suing people and not fixing things. When Sony finally realizes that the files will never be removed from the internet, and they decide to finally do something to FIX the problem, then there won't be anymore potential customers. The people who buy their stuff will move onto a competator, and not return to Sony until they make something more desirable.

I doubt that for one reason. Fans stick with their console till the end of time. I have friends who would love a stick with the words Nintendo on it, I'm sure they would even go as far as saying it's better than the 360 and PS3. Anyways, I think it's good. Sony should fight, put some scare into current and future hackers. It's their money, who are we to tell them to give up? We're just customers, and if I want good products from Sony they're gonna need that cash they worked for, and the cash people are stealing in illegal downloads.

 

[Sterling]

Sony is really starting to become a douschebag of a company...

Why, because their protecting their devices?

This right here.
I mean seriously if you owned a big company and all of the sudden you started
losing money because of pirates, would you go after the person who caused this?

Its not just Geohot though. Now Sony has gone after every hacker. Not only is this stupid to mess with the people who have shown a bit of restraint in completely opening the PS3, but this just pisses potential customers off who know they are just suing people and not fixing things. When Sony finally realizes that the files will never be removed from the internet, and they decide to finally do something to FIX the problem, then there won't be anymore potential customers. The people who buy their stuff will move onto a competator, and not return to Sony until they make something more desirable.

I doubt that for one reason. Fans stick with their console till the end of time. I have friends who would love a stick with the words Nintendo on it, I'm sure they would even go as far as saying it's better than the 360 and PS3. Anyways, I think it's good. Sony should fight, put some scare into current and future hackers. It's their money, who are we to tell them to give up? We're just customers, and if I want good products from Sony they're gonna need that cash they worked for, and the cash people are stealing in illegal downloads.

I mean new potential customers. Brand loyalty isn't anything new, but fads and stuff that attract all new customers wear off if unsustained. The PS3 is looking to be unsustainable. Sony shouldn't fight the people who hack their consoles, they should fight the piracy, and disable PSN access. However, FW updates that deny playing new games is silly.When I buy a console that I hack, and I buy my games, I expect to be able to play them on my hardware regardless of FW version. I lost a lot of respect for Nintendo when they did that for the Wii. If I use my console for homebrew, and I don't give a shit for online, then I expect to be able to play any games past, present, or future for the console. What I also like about hacked console that are completely open is a network just for the hackers. That way we are not dictated by whatever company.

 

[KingVamp]

Like how people assume that most hackers are pirates.
You guys are not being fair to homebrew guys.
If I bought a PS3, it is mine that I bought with my money, I should be able to
do what I reasonably want with it.

 

[MigueelDnd]

Sony is really starting to become a douschebag of a company...

Why, because their protecting their devices?


Protecting what you own is not bad at all. Why, a bad thing would be if they didn't care at all. But, do you think going after every single person that contributed at least indirectly to the process would be a sane thing to do? And that's not all, Sony wants to obtain a list of every Youtube user that watched GeoHotz' video, if you didn't know already... God knows what they'll do after that.
Source? Here you are: http://www.nextgenupdate.com/forums/playst...ng-get-you.html

This.
I can see why people may get irritated over some of Sony's rash decisions, but what's wrong with going after people that have practically opened your product to piracy? Even if their (the hackers') intents were for homebrew (psh), they still enabled piracy.
So, if I discover something that can be used with bad interests, I'm a bad guy just for that too, huh?. In this case, a single update would do pretty well, something like Nintendo's automatic game updates would... also, maybe it's acceptable to chase down the hackers, but the audience too?


QUOTE(GameWinner @ Feb 9 2011, 12:48 AM)

This right here.
I mean seriously if you owned a big company and all of the sudden you started
losing money because of pirates, would you go after the person who caused this?

Same as above.

 

[wchill]

Going after the entire community is just stupid.
People hack their stuff for legitimate reasons all the time - take DSx86, for example. Also, people want OtherOS back, or at least want some way to run stuff on the PS3.
If Sony really wanted to stop piracy, they should have just not taken away OtherOS in the first place, instead just patching the hack geohot used instead of taking away OtherOS all together.

 

[godreborn]

sony will hurt their own sales far more than piracy ever will. people, even those who don't pirate, r seeing just how money-hungry and bloodthirsty they really r.

 

[omgpwn666]

Sony is really starting to become a douschebag of a company...

Why, because their protecting their devices?

This right here.
I mean seriously if you owned a big company and all of the sudden you started
losing money because of pirates, would you go after the person who caused this?

Its not just Geohot though. Now Sony has gone after every hacker. Not only is this stupid to mess with the people who have shown a bit of restraint in completely opening the PS3, but this just pisses potential customers off who know they are just suing people and not fixing things. When Sony finally realizes that the files will never be removed from the internet, and they decide to finally do something to FIX the problem, then there won't be anymore potential customers. The people who buy their stuff will move onto a competator, and not return to Sony until they make something more desirable.

I doubt that for one reason. Fans stick with their console till the end of time. I have friends who would love a stick with the words Nintendo on it, I'm sure they would even go as far as saying it's better than the 360 and PS3. Anyways, I think it's good. Sony should fight, put some scare into current and future hackers. It's their money, who are we to tell them to give up? We're just customers, and if I want good products from Sony they're gonna need that cash they worked for, and the cash people are stealing in illegal downloads.

I mean new potential customers. Brand loyalty isn't anything new, but fads and stuff that attract all new customers wear off if unsustained. The PS3 is looking to be unsustainable. Sony shouldn't fight the people who hack their consoles, they should fight the piracy, and disable PSN access. However, FW updates that deny playing new games is silly.When I buy a console that I hack, and I buy my games, I expect to be able to play them on my hardware regardless of FW version. I lost a lot of respect for Nintendo when they did that for the Wii. If I use my console for homebrew, and I don't give a shit for online, then I expect to be able to play any games past, present, or future for the console. What I also like about hacked console that are completely open is a network just for the hackers. That way we are not dictated by whatever company.

Actually, that firmware thing is very true. They did that with PSP, where you need a certain firmware to play the game. I have no idea what users who have no internet access do. I do believe that by getting rid of the main hackers (big name hackers) would be fighting piracy, but not aiming for PS3 hack users, just the creators. Though this is just an opinion. As for the homebrew thing, Sony can't make a way for a system that's hacked to only allow homebrew and no free games. I see what you're saying, but it's not really their fault.

 

[Sterling]

Actually, that firmware thing is very true. They did that with PSP, where you need a certain firmware to play the game. I have no idea what users who have no internet access do. I do believe that by getting rid of the main hackers (big name hackers) would be fighting piracy, but not aiming for PS3 hack users, just the creators. Though this is just an opinion. As for the homebrew thing, Sony can't make a way for a system that's hacked to only allow homebrew and no free games. I see what you're saying, but it's not really their fault.

I'm saying they are going about their measures in the wrong way. The hack is out there. The cat is out of the bag, and the bag has a hole in it. The PS3 will never be the same if Sony doesn't fix the damn thing. All they are doing is trying to scare the hacking community... Its wasn't working. Now they are expaning on an already failed operation, and spending even more money and not fixing the problem.

 

[Joe88]

they did fix it

3.56 contains a white list, a new security encryption for the private key, and also a new private key, and on top of that almost 0% chance to be able to downgrade from 3.56
and now DNS bypass has been blocked fully resecuring PSN

basically its back to square one

 

[Sterling]

they did fix it

3.56 contains a white list, a new security encryption for the private key, and also a new private key, and on top of that almost 0% chance to be able to downgrade from 3.56
and now DNS bypass has been blocked fully resecuring PSN

basically its back to square one

So, these new security keys apply for every current console that updates? How could they change the Hardcoded security Key, and encryption by an update? Wouldn't this call for totally new hardware? Could I also have a source?