Hacking So much pain!

[Swiftloke]

But that's exactly what piracy is....

Oh, so Redbox is illegal now?

 

[funnystory]

Here's a simple reason: Play online on a Sky3DS without injecting a private header? Have a nice ban. Play online using CIAs installed on CFW? Fine.

You're overstating the difficulty in downgrading and CFWing. If you have a *brain*, it's simple. I did it to a 2DS and an O3DS in the span of a few hours.

There's literally nothing that can go wrong if you *actually follow directions*.

Thats not true,downgrading from 10.3 some people bricked.

 

[freeza]

I quite enjoy Sky3DS+. It's handy to have on top of cfw. Can't for the life of me figure out why their save system is so weird though.

Also, It's virtually impossible to brick if you follow instructions clearly. Even messing up and not fully understanding from being so late to the game, I still managed to downgrade my n3DS 10.3 and set up EmuNAND with minimal problems doing so.

 

[cvskid]

Oh, so Redbox is illegal now?

It could be depending on if you are making digital copies of the movies/games you are renting from it. Game sharing might still be considered piracy to some people since you are not giving any money to the developers of the game. No money is being exchanged, just a free digital copy of the game from your friend.

 

[Xanthe]

Oh, so Redbox is illegal now?

Exactly. It's not necessarily piracy. If you give your friend a game and say you can share it, that's really not piracy. Let's say he gave me an XBOX disc and I installed it onto my system, I got permission to do that. We're sharing the game

 

[fate6]

Wow...

 

[Zerousen]

Because following instructions is not as hard as others make it seem.

 

[Deleted User]

Bait thread with a sales pitch. Lovely.

 

[Kioku]

Wow...

It would seem as though people here don't understand how Piracy works..
It doesn't matter that your friend owns it. It's not your backup. There was clear communications that games were being ripped from legit cartridges not owned by the person.

Exactly. It's not necessarily piracy. If you give your friend a game and say you can share it, that's really not piracy. Let's say he gave me an XBOX disc and I installed it onto my system, I got permission to do that. We're sharing the game

That's not even what you were saying. You were stating you made backups of your friends copy and he made backups of yours. By law that's piracy. Don't try to twist it around, it's still PIRACY.

If you don't own the physical media, it's not your legal property. So, yes, it's piracy.

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Oh, so Redbox is illegal now?

... And this... How does this pertain to anything?

 

[fate6]

It would seem as though people here don't understand how Piracy works..
It doesn't matter that your friend owns it. It's not your backup. There was clear communications that games were being ripped from legit cartridges not owned by the person.


That's not even what you were saying. You were stating you made backups of your friends copy and he made backups of yours. By law that's piracy. Don't try to twist it around, it's still PIRACY.

If you don't own the physical media, it's not your legal property. So, yes, it's piracy.

At least one person seems to know what piracy is.

Look im not telling people not to do it but what I am saying is know what it is and accept it.
BTW WTF was up with comparing a retail/licensed vendor like RedBox to piracy? if the disk is ripped and you keep a copy then yes it is, If your friend lets you borrow his game then it's fine as only one of those copies is in circulation but the moment you make a copy it's piracy.

Paying for the physical game does not give you legal access to a digital copy.

I'm just ramblin on now....

EDIT: Oh and one more thing, If you borrow an "Xbox game" as whas said and it's installed then no it's not piracy as you still need that disk to run the game, Mod the system and run it without the disk? then yes it's piracy.

 

[Kioku]

At least one person seems to know what piracy is.

Look im not telling people not to do it but what I am saying is know what it is and accept it.
BTW WTF was up with comparing a retail/licensed vendor like RedBox to piracy? if the disk is ripped and you keep a copy then yes it is, If your friend lets you borrow his game then it's fine as only one of those copies is in circulation but the moment you make a copy it's piracy.

Paying for the physical game does not give you legal access to a digital copy.

I'm just ramblin on now....

I wanna say that you are entitled to make your own backups of things like cds, movies, and most games. I need to read up on it some more, but personal copies are legal as long as you do not distribute them.

 

[fate6]

I wanna say that you are entitled to make your own backups of things like cds, movies, and most games. I need to read up on it some more, but personal copies are legal as long as you do not distribute them.

Not exactly, It's a grey area but personal backups won't generally get you in trouble as it would be silly of any company to try and prosecute for it, Not worth the bad PR.
Might even be an EU law that says it's OK but seems we are both in 'Murica sooo....

 

[Xanthe]

It would seem as though people here don't understand how Piracy works..
It doesn't matter that your friend owns it. It's not your backup. There was clear communications that games were being ripped from legit cartridges not owned by the person.


That's not even what you were saying. You were stating you made backups of your friends copy and he made backups of yours. By law that's piracy. Don't try to twist it around, it's still PIRACY.

If you don't own the physical media, it's not your legal property. So, yes, it's piracy.

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... And this... How does this pertain to anything?

Oh I see? And how many people abide by this law? I guess I should stop giving my friends game discs because its not their property, right? Of course, with what you say, its illegal! God forbid we share a disc! You'd be lying to me if you said you NEVER EVER loaned a game to a friend to use just for a little while. And THAT is technically against the law since I paid for it and they didn't. Here's some facts for ya that I've personally done research on. Yes, ripping cartridges WOULD be illegal...if I distributed to a mass amount of people. That is where you are wrong. Under the copyright law, I'm not allowed to rip a game (Or disc, whatever works) and distribute it to several people.

However, for personal use, I am allowed to rip a cartridge...Which you just said I wasn't allowed to do. If I own a disc with music on it and I want to make copies of it, I'm allowed to do that. The law makes a very big exception for that. If I split a payment with a friend to buy a game, technically, its mine too. I can rip it all I want. What if my friend loses the actual cartridge? No need to worry, I've made a copy for you. Can I do that? Yes, because we both paid for it.

If you really believe that sharing with your friend is a huge crime, I don't know what to tell ya. There is nothing wrong with sharing something with other people (Preferably friends and not random people on the internet) regardless of what the law says. If you told me you've NEVER loaned anything to friends (specifically a game) I wouldn't believe you. Technically, it is against the law unless you contact the copyright owner. So, we've all pirated before. Some laws don't make any sense, right?

 

[Kioku]

Oh I see? And how many people abide by this law? I guess I should stop giving my friends game discs because its not their property, right? Of course, with what you say, its illegal! God forbid we share a disc! You'd be lying to me if you said you NEVER EVER loaned a game to a friend to use just for a little while. And THAT is technically against the law since I paid for it and they didn't. Here's some facts for ya that I've personally done research on. Yes, ripping cartridges WOULD be illegal...if I distributed to a mass amount of people. That is where you are wrong. Under the copyright law, I'm not allowed to rip a game (Or disc, whatever works) and distribute it to several people.

However, for personal use, I am allowed to rip a cartridge...Which you just said I wasn't allowed to do. If I own a disc with music on it and I want to make copies of it, I'm allowed to do that. The law makes a very big exception for that. If I split a payment with a friend to buy a game, technically, its mine too. I can rip it all I want. What if my friend loses the actual cartridge? No need to worry, I've made a copy for you. Can I do that? Yes, because we both paid for it.

If you really believe that sharing with your friend is a huge crime, I don't know what to tell ya. There is nothing wrong with sharing something with other people (Preferably friends and not random people on the internet) regardless of what the law says. If you told me you've NEVER loaned anything to friends (specifically a game) I wouldn't believe you. Technically, it is against the law unless you contact the copyright owner. So, we've all pirated before. Some laws don't make any sense, right?

The fact remains that it's STILL piracy... and holy hell. You're not getting it. Loaning something to a friend is DIFFERENT from what you are doing in this specific instance. You are not borrowing his cartridge. You've gone and essentially cloned it. You're also not ripping your game for your own personal use. That goes out the window when your friend has an illegitimately obtained copy of your rip.

I don't even know why you're trying to debate this. You're going off on a completely different tangent, completely avoiding the point. Now you're trying to make excuses as to why you're doing it. Nobody here necessarily cares that you're doing it. It's just bothersome that you have no damn clue what you're talking about... and you're choosing to stand by your ignorance. You don't need to justify your actions here. Nobody cares. Just for the love of god, don't try to debate something you have no clue about.

I'm no longer posting on the subject. What you are doing is piracy. It doesn't matter how you spin it.

 

[Xanthe]

The fact remains that it's STILL piracy... and holy hell. You're not getting it. Loaning something to a friend is DIFFERENT from what you are doing in this specific instance. You are not borrowing his cartridge. You've gone and essentially cloned it. You're also not ripping your game for your own personal use. That goes out the window when your friend has an illegitimately obtained copy of your rip.

I don't even know why you're trying to debate this. You're going off on a completely different tangent, completely avoiding the point. Now you're trying to make excuses as to why you're doing it. Nobody here necessarily cares that you're doing it. It's just bothersome that you have no damn clue what you're talking about... and you're choosing to stand by your ignorance. You don't need to justify your actions here. Nobody cares. Just for the love of god, don't try to debate something you have no clue about.

I'm no longer posting on the subject. What you are doing is piracy. It doesn't matter how you spin it.

Excuse me? Telling me I don't know what piracy is? Do I seriously need to write a whole paper for you on what piracy is? Because I only just said barely a sliver of it. And yes, loaning something to a friend is still piracy whether you think it is or not. If you really need to, go look it up. You're quite a hypocritical fellow as well, aren't you? If you don't want to debate something, then don't go out and try to prove someone else wrong. If you don't like someone else's opinion and don't want to further the discussion, then don't push it. My "ignorance" is nothing you've ever seen before. You've never met me and don't know who I am, therefore you have no reason to say such things. If you had actually noticed, which I doubt you did, I never named you. I never said you were ignorant. I didn't say you don't have any light to shed on the subject. I respected your opinion, and you'd be wise to do it yourself.

Period. "I'm no longer posting on the subject"

 

[Swiftloke]

It would seem as though people here don't understand how Piracy works..
It doesn't matter that your friend owns it. It's not your backup. There was clear communications that games were being ripped from legit cartridges not owned by the person.


That's not even what you were saying. You were stating you made backups of your friends copy and he made backups of yours. By law that's piracy. Don't try to twist it around, it's still PIRACY.

If you don't own the physical media, it's not your legal property. So, yes, it's piracy.

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... And this... How does this pertain to anything?

You are exchanging money to Redbox to borrow a game. So, in essence, Redbox is sharing said game, and making money off it too.

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Oh I see? And how many people abide by this law? I guess I should stop giving my friends game discs because its not their property, right? Of course, with what you say, its illegal! God forbid we share a disc! You'd be lying to me if you said you NEVER EVER loaned a game to a friend to use just for a little while. And THAT is technically against the law since I paid for it and they didn't. Here's some facts for ya that I've personally done research on. Yes, ripping cartridges WOULD be illegal...if I distributed to a mass amount of people. That is where you are wrong. Under the copyright law, I'm not allowed to rip a game (Or disc, whatever works) and distribute it to several people.

However, for personal use, I am allowed to rip a cartridge...Which you just said I wasn't allowed to do. If I own a disc with music on it and I want to make copies of it, I'm allowed to do that. The law makes a very big exception for that. If I split a payment with a friend to buy a game, technically, its mine too. I can rip it all I want. What if my friend loses the actual cartridge? No need to worry, I've made a copy for you. Can I do that? Yes, because we both paid for it.

If you really believe that sharing with your friend is a huge crime, I don't know what to tell ya. There is nothing wrong with sharing something with other people (Preferably friends and not random people on the internet) regardless of what the law says. If you told me you've NEVER loaned anything to friends (specifically a game) I wouldn't believe you. Technically, it is against the law unless you contact the copyright owner. So, we've all pirated before. Some laws don't make any sense, right?

WOMBO COMBO!

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Well, now that the argument on game sharing being piracy was thrown out, what does everyone think of backing up a cartridge and installing it as a CIA on your own console?

 

[honyo29]

because the process isn't that hard for people who can read and have commonsense. cfw is free, fun, and rewarding.

 

[DjoeN]

Sky3DS(+) still doesn't support eShop games, only retail gamecart dumps.

 

[Xenon Hacks]

People are still eating this bait?

 

[democracy]

Excuse me? Telling me I don't know what piracy is? Do I seriously need to write a whole paper for you on what piracy is? Because I only just said barely a sliver of it. And yes, loaning something to a friend is still piracy whether you think it is or not. If you really need to, go look it up. You're quite a hypocritical fellow as well, aren't you? If you don't want to debate something, then don't go out and try to prove someone else wrong. If you don't like someone else's opinion and don't want to further the discussion, then don't push it. My "ignorance" is nothing you've ever seen before. You've never met me and don't know who I am, therefore you have no reason to say such things. If you had actually noticed, which I doubt you did, I never named you. I never said you were ignorant. I didn't say you don't have any light to shed on the subject. I respected your opinion, and you'd be wise to do it yourself.

Period. "I'm no longer posting on the subject"

You just don't get it...