PS4 NOT backward compatible with PS3

[retKHAAAN]

@peps If I really want to make waffles, I'm not going to pass on getting a waffle maker just because it doesn't make pancakes. It's the same thing.

That was an awful, awful analogy...

 

[rocktoto]

Well I hope you guys have fun on it me myself I'm done buying consoles unless its some truly ground breaking but I don't think that will happen 4 a while happy gaming . Ps I'm off 2 the basketball court

 

[Yepi69]

No, they don't. That's how the whole "keeping" business looked like as of late:

Spoiler

>Dropped Game Boy Advance Backwards Compatibility
>That's okay, at least it has cameras and an SD Slot

(I always argue that the DSi is actually a successor to the DS rather than a revision due to hardware differences and NOBODY on this forum ever agrees with me on this because "it has very little exclusive software" so here you go - suck it up, the "revision" does less than the original)

>Dropped Gamecube Backwards Compatibility
>That's okay, at least it's cheaper

>Dropped Gamecube Backwards Compatibility and Wi-Fi
>That's okay, at least it's cheaper

>Dropped PlayStation 2 Backwards Compatibility
>OUTRAGEOUS!

>Dropped PS3 Backwards Compatibility
>OUTRAGEOUS!

Fun fact: GBA compatibility was dropped when they released the DSi in 2008

2005 - 2008 RIP GBA

GCN compatibility was dropped when they released the ''new'' Wii in 2012

2006 - 2012 RIP GCN (Longer than the PS2 compatibility on the PS3)

Wi-Fi compatibility was dropped when they released the ''new'' Wii Mini in 2012 as well.

RIP Wi-Fi 2012-2013 (Not that I care anyways, a used Wii is cheaper)

PS1/PS2 compatibility was dropped when they released the ''different'' PS3 in 2008.

2006 - 2008 RIP PS1/PS2

You were saying?

 

[Qtis]

PS1/PS2 compatibility was dropped when they released the ''different'' PS3 in 2008.

2006 - 2008 RIP PS1/PS2

You were saying?

The shit are you smoking? My 2011 PS3 plays PS1 games just fine.

While people with PS2s won't buy the PS2 games on PSN, many other people may. I've got a PS2 phat and a huge library of games for it (thanks especially to second hand games), but I've still bought quite a few games for the PS3 from PSN (FF1-FF9 (PSX) for example, even though I've got the originals for the PS). It's just more convenient to play them on the PSVita and while it'd be cool to be able to load the existing games on the newest handheld, I don't see it happening. Why? Because it doesn't have a CD-sized disk drive (thank god for that).

EDIT:
DS Lites were produced till 2011, WiFi Wiis are still in production and used consoles are sold quite cheap everywhere. If you can't get one of those for your need, I'm surprised. I've been able to get used consoles with quite a few games for dirt cheap vs the original prices.

EDIT2:
What about the Xbox360 that added Xbox compatibility along the way? Sony has yet to say that BC will never come to the PS4. Instead they've said that it won't support PS1/2/3 games during launch due to not having the hardware (the 360 has software emulations too).

 

[the_randomizer]

No, they don't. That's how the whole "keeping" business looked like as of late:

Spoiler

>Dropped Game Boy Advance Backwards Compatibility
>That's okay, at least it has cameras and an SD Slot

(I always argue that the DSi is actually a successor to the DS rather than a revision due to hardware differences and NOBODY on this forum ever agrees with me on this because "it has very little exclusive software" so here you go - suck it up, the "revision" does less than the original)

>Dropped Gamecube Backwards Compatibility
>That's okay, at least it's cheaper

>Dropped Gamecube Backwards Compatibility and Wi-Fi
>That's okay, at least it's cheaper

>Dropped PlayStation 2 Backwards Compatibility
>OUTRAGEOUS!

>Dropped PS3 Backwards Compatibility
>OUTRAGEOUS!

Boo-f***ing hoo

 

[Foxi4]

Boo-f***ing hoo

Missed my point. What I'm saying is that Sony are not the only ones dropping BC when it can cut the costs - it's not weird like some people tend to think.

You were saying?

I was saying that you happened to be wrong and provided evidence.

 

[KingVamp]

AlphaOmegaSin is just a random person with a bit of a following. He talks/ rants mostly about things that are game related.

 

[Guild McCommunist]

AlphaOmegaSin is just a random person with a bit of a following. He talks/ rants mostly about things that are game related.

Oh Christ on a bike not this guy again.

 

[the_randomizer]

Oh Christ on a bike not this guy again.

Oh, he's one of those people.

 

[NostalgicMillennial]

Heheheheh.....why?

quote from the Peter Farley movie "tommy boy"

look it up

Bumblebee also quotes it in one of the Transformer movies

 

[Foxi4]

Oh Christ on a bike not this guy again.

He has a mug truly worthy of a beating... with a shoe.

 

[the_randomizer]

quote from the Chris Farley movie "tommy boy"

look it up

Bumblebee also quotes it in one of the Transformer movies

I know that movie quite well, so that's where I got my response from.

"Does this suit make me look fat?"
"No, no, no , your face does"

 

[Psionic Roshambo]

For example, the WiiU's CPU carries the same stigma the Gamecube's CPU carried - crippled SIMD. It will always carry it for the sake of BC.

I don't think that acronym means what you think it means... lol

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SIMD

Both PPC and X86 use it although on the X86 side you have to use the MMX extensions to get it.

 

[Foxi4]

I don't think that acronym means what you think it means... lol

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SIMD

Both PPC and X86 use it although on the X86 side you have to use the MMX extensions to get it.

GC's, Wii's and WiiU's Floating Point is carried out by 2x 32bit SIMD (paired singles) which causes certain "issues". Fortunately the WiiU can pass the Floating Point operation to the GPU, but not in vWii.

 

[retKHAAAN]

I'm guessing Peps is going to be pretty pissed about this
http://www.comingsoon.net/news/gamenews.php?id=100854

But at least it should eliminate most of the BC controversy from the PS5...

 

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[Veho]

BC does something for everyone. It saves everyone money.

How does it save money for people who for some reason or another, aren't interested in PS3 games? How does it save money for people who are only interested in PS4 titles? How does it save money for Xbox owners? How does it save money for people who have sold all their PS3 titles because they have no replay value? How does it save money for people who don't have a PS3? How does it save money for people who don't want to sell their PS3? All it does for them is add another $100 to the price tag. How is that saving money?

If you're not interested in saving money, that's fine, then you're just a very irrational consumer.

I am very interested in saving money. I want to pay less for the product, and if it's by sacrificing a feature I don't care about, even better. You keep talking about "value for money" and yet the value of each individual feature is highly subjective. Example: consoles in different colors. Some people don't give a crap. Others won't buy the console until a white/black/pink version comes out.

(see, I can come with made up statistics as well )

I know, you've been doing it this whole thread.

We can also good polls that use good sampling.

Yes, a good poll is one that includes all the pupils in class, not just the ones jumping up and down on their chair with their hands raised yelling "pick me, pick me!"

Online polls are not representative of the true majority.

In this case, non-biased gaming community sites with a fairly large amount of respondents.

And the vast majority of the site's users can't be arsed to vote in polls or fill out surveys because they don't care either way, and the only ones who do vote in the poll are the ones who are invested in the topic, and unless the poll is obligatory for all users of the site, the result won't accurately reflect the average opinion. We covered this.

Online polls are not a truly random sample.

Being online is hardly a factor, it just means that the poll is far more accessible. If I were to go out in person and ask random people directly what they thought about BC, they can just as easily lie to me as they can online. You can't stop people from lying, but being online doesn't make the slightest bit of difference.

I never said anyone was lying, I just said the people who voted in the poll did not constitute a representative cross section of the market, i.e. the poll does not reflect the average consumer.

Online polls are not reliable.

In regards to research, some research says that gaming promotes violent behaviour, and some research says gaming doesn't, obviously both are not online based, but both are highly biased. Thus showing that offline or online hardly makes a difference. You're always going to have human behaviour no matter where you go, the medium doesn't affect the results in the least.

Both researches are based on the same set of data, only interprets them differently. If the data says "70% of violent people play violent games", there are two ways of interpreting that:
1) games make people violent
2) violent people seek out violent entertainment.

Both are interpretations of the same data set, only the cause and effect are a different way around. And they are completely unrelated to this discussion.

The medium does affect the result because you have no way of monitoring the sample and no way of ensuring it's representative of the whole. And with voluntary online polls, it's not.

Online polls don't work. Are you even reading these?

Look, read up on sampling in statistics. It may explain a few things.

And if you don't understand my argument or understand how the average consumer behaves, then I recommend you don't start a business or become a manager in the least.

And my argument is that you don't represent the "average consumer", you're convinced everyone shares your opinions (when they demonstrably don't), you're cherry-picking data to confirm your bias, and you refuse to believe the average consumer might have a different view than you, and calling everyone who doesn't share your views "irrational". I understand your argument. Your argument is "everyone thinks like I do."

he said that even though it might seem like common sense, to a lot of people, they struggle to understand it for some reason. I honestly can't understand why, it's really easy stuff.

This is really ironic, really.

As we have seen with previous console launches, having a successful console launch is crucial to the success of the console.

The PS3 had an incredibly slow start. So, no.





You are overestimating the number of people who care about backwards compatibility at all. Of those people, you are overestimating the number of them who see a lack of it as a deal breaker; i.e. they care about it $50 but not $100, o use your numbers. It's a very narrow and specific subset of potential buyers, and you're overinflating its significance. At the same time, you are grossly underestimating the draw of a lower price point, and how many people see a higher price tag as a deal breaker. For every person who would pay $50 more (and that's an extremely optimistic estimate on the price increase) for BC, how many people will hold back on their purchase until the price drops?

 

[Yepi69]

The shit are you smoking? My 2011 PS3 plays PS1 games just fine.

While people with PS2s won't buy the PS2 games on PSN, many other people may. I've got a PS2 phat and a huge library of games for it (thanks especially to second hand games), but I've still bought quite a few games for the PS3 from PSN (FF1-FF9 (PSX) for example, even though I've got the originals for the PS). It's just more convenient to play them on the PSVita and while it'd be cool to be able to load the existing games on the newest handheld, I don't see it happening. Why? Because it doesn't have a CD-sized disk drive (thank god for that).

EDIT:
DS Lites were produced till 2011, WiFi Wiis are still in production and used consoles are sold quite cheap everywhere. If you can't get one of those for your need, I'm surprised. I've been able to get used consoles with quite a few games for dirt cheap vs the original prices.

EDIT2:
What about the Xbox360 that added Xbox compatibility along the way? Sony has yet to say that BC will never come to the PS4. Instead they've said that it won't support PS1/2/3 games during launch due to not having the hardware (the 360 has software emulations too).

Calm down, I have a DS Lite and I have a Nintendo Wii which I bought in 2011 when it still had GC compatibility.
Not to mention Sony MAKES you buy games that you actually owned on physical copy on PSN. Such as PSP UMD games on the Vita and PS1/PS2 games on the PS3.

Missed my point. What I'm saying is that Sony are not the only ones dropping BC when it can cut the costs - it's not weird like some people tend to think.
I was saying that you happened to be wrong and provided evidence.

Oh goodie, did I found an Sony fan boy? YAY!!!

 

[emigre]

Calm down, I have a DS Lite and I have a Nintendo Wii which I bought in 2011 when it still had GC compatibility.
Not to mention Sony MAKES you buy games that you actually owned on physical copy on PSN. Such as PSP UMD games on the Vita and PS1/PS2 games on the PS3.

I was playing my physical copy of Crash Bandicoot on my PS3 on Friday. And despite the game being available on PSN, nobody from Sony put a gun to my head and forced me to buy it again.

 

[Yepi69]

Missed my point. What I'm saying is that Sony are not the only ones dropping BC when it can cut the costs - it's not weird like some people tend to think.
I was saying that you happened to be wrong and provided evidence.

I was playing my physical copy of Crash Bandicoot on my PS3 on Friday. And despite the game being available on PSN, nobody from Sony put a gun to my head and forced me to buy it again.

Again, some PS3's editions HAVE PS1/PS2 compatibility, not all unfortunately.