Homebrew programming on ds/3ds?

[Deleted User]

most of time im separated from my pc, and I thought: is there any way to create standalone homebrews, or just runnable code on ds / 3ds? searched the web and found some things, nothing of which I can use right now:

1.petit computer - dsiware, no longer avaliable on eshop. even if it was, I dont own dsi nor got any way to pay on eshop.

2.its new version for 3ds - ''smilebasic" only in japanese eshop. again, I dont have any way to pay, nor my console is japanese.

3. "xds gamemaker" http://dsgamemaker.com/ dsgmforum/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=2851
the download is no longer avaliable.

so my questions are:
1. is there anything I can use with my hardware thats described in the description?
2.did somebody downloaded that xds homebrew and can give me the .nds file?

btw sorry for my bad english

 

[Jwiz33]

Lpp-3ds is what I use, it is great for beginners(like me), and doesn't require any programs to be on your PC.
EDIT: There is also a LUA interpreter for nds http://gamebrew.org/wiki/Micro_Lua_DS

 

[ihaveahax]

Lua Player Plus for 3DS is the best place to start. Lua is an easy to pick up programming language used in other games as well, like Roblox and (I think) WoW.

If you decide to try it out, put lpp-3ds.3dsx (or whatever you call it) and index.lua in the same folder.

Here's a sample script I created just for this!

avatar = Screen.loadImage(System.currentDirectory().."/ihaveamac.png")
while true do
    Screen.waitVblankStart()
    Screen.refresh()

    Screen.debugPrint(10, 10, "Hello GBAtemp", Color.new(158, 158, 255), TOP_SCREEN)

    Screen.debugPrint(10, 25, "lpp-3ds is a great way to begin creating", Color.new(158, 255, 158), TOP_SCREEN)
    Screen.debugPrint(10, 40, "simple homebrew projects.", Color.new(158, 255, 158), TOP_SCREEN)
    Screen.drawImage(20, 10, avatar, BOTTOM_SCREEN)

    -- exit if the B button is pressed
    pad = Controls.read()
    if (Controls.check(pad, KEY_B)) then
        System.exit()
    end

    Screen.flip()
end

The final result would be...

Spoiler: This!

 

[Foxi4]

Just use bog-standard devkit Pro, libnds has everything you need. If you're looking for something more "Lite", use DS Game Maker - I suggest version 5.12 since the latest one is a tad buggy, hit me up via PM if you have any setup problems. Your barebones minimum for launching DS homebrew is a flashcart or a compatible WLAN card (limits homebrew size to 4MB since there's no other storage but RAM), on the 3DS you can use Homebrew Channel via tubehax, ironhax or a bunch of other exploits.

 

[Deleted User]

Lpp-3ds is what I use, it is great for beginners(like me), and doesn't require any programs to be on your PC.

I hate lua! its my most hated programming language!

Just use bog-standard devkit Pro, libnds has everything you need. If you're looking for something more "Lite", use DS Game Maker - I suggest version 5.12 since the latest one is a tad buggy, hit me up via PM if you have any setup problems. Your barebones minimum for launching DS homebrew is a flashcart or a compatible WLAN card (limits homebrew size to 4MB since there's no other storage but RAM), on the 3DS you can use Homebrew Channel via tubehax, ironhax or a bunch of other exploits.

im interested in programming, but as I said I dont have access to pc.

 

[Jwiz33]

Lua Player Plus for 3DS is the best place to start. Lua is an easy to pick up programming language used in other games as well, like Roblox and (I think) WoW.

If you decide to try it out, put lpp-3ds.3dsx (or whatever you call it) and index.lua in the same folder.

Here's a sample script I created just for this!

avatar = Screen.loadImage(System.currentDirectory().."/ihaveamac.png")
while true do
    Screen.waitVblankStart()
    Screen.refresh()

    Screen.debugPrint(10, 10, "Hello GBAtemp", Color.new(158, 158, 255), TOP_SCREEN)

    Screen.debugPrint(10, 25, "lpp-3ds is a great way to begin creating", Color.new(158, 255, 158), TOP_SCREEN)
    Screen.debugPrint(10, 40, "simple homebrew projects.", Color.new(158, 255, 158), TOP_SCREEN)
    Screen.drawImage(20, 10, avatar, BOTTOM_SCREEN)

    -- exit if the B button is pressed
    pad = Controls.read()
    if (Controls.check(pad, KEY_B)) then
        System.exit()
    end

    Screen.flip()
end

The final result would be...

Spoiler: This!

This is actually will be a good reference to look to when I need help in LUA, thanks!

I hate lua! its my most hated programming language!

Why?

 

[Philip3ds]

I need some help. I have lpp-3ds, but I can't find the program itself.

 

[sarkwalvein]

I hate lua! its my most hated programming language!

Deal with it man, you are asking for things that wouldn't require a PC to compile them.
If you suggested using smilebasic you are in no position to bad mouth Lua.

PS: Dsgamemaker requires a PC.

 

[dfsa3fdvc1]

I hate lua! its my most hated programming language!

What problem do you have. I originally wasn't a fan of it (Lua's FOR loops just look wrong to me) but after I started learning more about it I really liked it. I find it a lot easier to handle its hetero tables. There's awesome stuff like easy variable swapping. It's not that bad IMO.
Just started my Lua project (VNDS 3DS Interpreter for Visual Novels) and I'm more progress using Lua than I ever could have using the other libraries currently available.

 

[JoostinOnline]

I taught myself C through Wii homebrew. I haven't been able to do crap on the NDS/3DS though, because the libraries are so very different. Everything is coded in a completely different style.

That being said, it might be an easy adjustment if you learned C properly, instead of just jumping in the deep end and trying to swim with the last language you learned (Java).

I hate lua! its my most hated programming language!

Then you've never used SCHEME. It was the second language I learned, and I'm glad I did, because it taught me how to think outside the box and use functions for things they weren't intended to get the best performance. However, it was infuriating. I'm a pretty level-headed guy (don't even get angry in video games), but one time I just snapped after several hours of working on a single function for homework, and screamed.

 

[Foxi4]

LUA is probably the next best thing after actual C, which is not to say that it's a good solution, a good solution would be to buy the cheapest PC you can find and work on that - even a crappy netbook will do. The only alternative I see that isn't BASIC, and BASIC is blerght because we're not in the 80's anymore, would be to code in Java/JavaScript compatible with the 3DS' browser and host your app on a local server.

 

[730]

im interested in programming, but as I said I dont have access to pc.

How are you supposed to code then? With a phone?

 

[q9p]

How are you supposed to code then? With a phone?

His brain.

 

[Foxi4]

How are you supposed to code then? With a phone?

Technically he can use interpreted languages like BASIC or Lua using the touchscreen as a keyboard, but it's busy work that becomes quite annoying even before you finish your first line of code - you have 10 fingers to operate a nice, big keyboard and only one stylus to operate the touchscreen - typing will obviously be an issue, even with suggestion software etc.

 

[730]

Technically he can use interpreted languages like BASIC or Lua using the touchscreen as a keyboard, but it's busy work that becomes quite annoying even before you finish your first line of code - you have 10 fingers to operate a nice, big keyboard and only one stylus to operate the touchscreen - typing will obviously be an issue, even with suggestion software etc.

I was being sarcastic but yes, I'd have nightmares after doing something like that.
Technically, you can also connect a keyboard via Bluetooth or an OTG cable, but then again, it's A PHONE. And if you can afford a phone you can probably afford a very cheap computer too.

 

[josamilu]

Technically he can use interpreted languages like BASIC or Lua using the touchscreen as a keyboard, but it's busy work that becomes quite annoying even before you finish your first line of code - you have 10 fingers to operate a nice, big keyboard and only one stylus to operate the touchscreen - typing will obviously be an issue, even with suggestion software etc.

Actually there was some homebrew which allowed that on DS. No joke, I actually wrote entire, but simple, LUA games with this method on my DS as a kid.
This should be also possible on 3DS with the needed software, like a text editor (Is there one already?) and an interpreter. But I don't recommend that, it takes ages and is uncomfortable

* Don't take this serious * You could also use 3DSBFI to write Brainf*ck code directly on your 3ds * *

 

[q9p]

And if you can afford a phone you can probably afford a very cheap computer too.

You don't even have to purchase a phone. What he/she could do is purchase a Thinkpad X60 for about $65 (€58) and just install a form of Linux on it. A recommendation would be something that is running a lightweight desktop manager, or alternatively, just get something like Puppy Linux which works out of the box.

 

[Foxi4]

I was being sarcastic but yes, I'd have nightmares after doing something like that. Technically, you can also connect a keyboard via Bluetooth or an OTG cable, but then again, it's A PHONE. And if you can afford a phone you can probably afford a very cheap computer too.

It was my understanding that he doesn't want to use a phone, he wants to code on the console. Neither the DS nor the 3DS have Bluetooth or a USB port, so no, you can't connect anything to them.

Actually there was some homebrew which allowed that on DS. No joke, I actually wrote entire, but simple, LUA games with this method on my DS as a kid.
This should be also possible on 3DS with the needed software, like a text editor (Is there one already?) and an interpreter. But I don't recommend that, it takes ages and is uncomfortable

* Don't take this serious * You could also use 3DSBFI to write Brainf*ck code directly on your 3ds * *

Oh, I know - Petit Computer was one of them. I still think it's nightmarish though.

 

[Jwiz33]

Oh, I know - Petit Computer was one of them. I still think it's nightmarish though.

There actually was a PC utility that allowed you to code from your PC and make it into a QR code to import it to the DSi. Made using the app/game/whatever usable.

 

[Foxi4]

There actually was a PC utility that allowed you to code from your PC and make it into a QR code to import it to the DSi. Made using the app/game/whatever usable.

Oh? Sounds convenient, however it probably required some form of server running in the background or internet connectivity seeing that QR codes don't store a lot of data. Still, it's a solution, at least.