Hacking Nintendo's Next Attempts?

[giantpune]

if they were smart, they might try to not host the IOS that we use to make cIOS. sure it wouldn't stop us, but it would slow down a lot of people

 

[KingVamp]

I think Nintendo's next attempt will scan for title IDs again. And this is what the update message will say:

Wii Menu version 4.3 is now available for your Wii console. To update your Wii Menu to the latest version, please select the Update button at the bottom of the screen or select the System Update option in the Wii System Settings.

This update is made to delete any unauthorized modifications from your Wii system. This update also makes it possible for us to remotely update your Wii, thus making it both easier and safer to keep your Wii console up to date.

Unauthorized modifications can impair and/or damage the Wii. Some of them are illegal as well. Wii Menu 4.3 is designed to keep your console free of these modifications, so that your console will function both properly and legally..

Our EULA has also been changed to reflect this update. Many changes are because of the growing instances of piracy on the Wii. Changes made also reflect our efforts to prevent illegal copies of our games. You may read it in full at Nintendo.com. You will be required to accept the revised EULA in order to use the Wii. Failure to do so will prohibit you from using your Wii (as defined in the revised EULA).

In compliance with the DMCA, the following Wiis will cease to function after this update: Team Twiizers, marcan, bushing, Waninkoko, Xuzz, SoftMii, ect. If you own on of these Wiis, please read this:

http://nintendo.com/FAKE/1195-court-summon...homebrew-makers

You are required by law to install this update, as defined in the Wii EULA (regarding piracy).

**Please note: If you've updated your Wii Menu after 9/29/09, you may not need to update again.

Thank you for updating your Wii console!

 

[Spoom]

Actually, if they were smart, they would:

- install an onboot function that would check every channel on the system's signature using a non-broken RSA function, and delete those that failed (the code is already in-place, they just used a really stupid title blacklist method this time)
- install stubs to every IOS slot that wasn't being used
- have boot2 signature-check the system menu IOS with a non-broken method on boot (may actually already be done)
- close exploits currently being used

Thankfully, Nintendo isn't that smart.

 

[cracker]

if they were smart, they might try to not host the IOS that we use to make cIOS. sure it wouldn't stop us, but it would slow down a lot of people

How would they possibly be able to have users update the IOSes without hosting them? Even if they had some way of obscuring them online then there would still be updates on discs that you can easily get the IOSes from and also people could use programs to grab the IOSes from the NAND after they are installed.

 

[TheDarkSeed]

I think Nintendo's only chance to stop piracy is to individually go to every Wii owners home and smash their Wii. Otherwise they'll just have to watch their precious console get raped by piracy over, and over...

 

[jakejm79]

If Nintendo wants to stop piracy they should have built a system that wasn't so full of loopholes. The fact that any idiot with an SD card can hack their Wii to do nearly anything is astounding. I mean, that's one of the reasons I like the Wii, since I don't need to pay for many games, but Nintendo cannot stop the rampant piracy as it is. The Wii will forever be known as probably the easiest system to pirate on.

Better luck next time, Nintendo.

I'd argue that the Dreamcast took that honor (and with it the demise of SEGA in the hardware segment). The idea that a special disc format would make you immune to piracy is laughable, burn the downloaded image to disc and then you are done, no chips, no cIOSes, no exploits, just burn disc and play.

 

[cracker]

I think Nintendo's only chance to stop piracy is to individually go to every Wii owners home and smash their Wii. Otherwise they'll just have to watch their precious console get raped by piracy over, and over...

Two Japanese guys: "Wii would like to play"

They take out baseball bats and start pounding away at the Wii owner...

And on to the next owner's house..

QUOTE(Guild McCommunist @ Oct 19 2009, 02:47 AM) If Nintendo wants to stop piracy they should have built a system that wasn't so full of loopholes. The fact that any idiot with an SD card can hack their Wii to do nearly anything is astounding. I mean, that's one of the reasons I like the Wii, since I don't need to pay for many games, but Nintendo cannot stop the rampant piracy as it is. The Wii will forever be known as probably the easiest system to pirate on.

Better luck next time, Nintendo.

I'd argue that the Dreamcast took that honor (and with it the demise of SEGA in the hardware segment). The idea that a special disc format would make you immune to piracy is laughable, burn the downloaded image to disc and then you are done, no chips, no cIOSes, no exploits, just burn disc and play.

Actually the Sega CD, 3do, CDi are tied since all of them used standard CD formats that could be read and duplicated on normal discs. The DC used a GD-ROMs that could only be read by the DC itself (over a null modem cable -> serial port piece of hardware which took literally a day to transfer and resulted in some DCs dying of heat) or a GD-ROM dev drive so it had some protection from piracy in the form of a proprietary disc format. Unfortunately, for them only the last batch of DC units were protected against booting burnt CDs.

 

[giantpune]

How would they possibly be able to have users update the IOSes without hosting them? Even if they had some way of obscuring them online then there would still be updates on discs that you can easily get the IOSes from and also people could use programs to grab the IOSes from the NAND after they are installed.

why are they still hosting all their old files though. i see a reason for having the required files for the current newest menu, but why the hell do they still have the files needed to install 3.2? i just bought a wii with 3.4 and it had just a little bit of antipiracy in it. i just fired up ARC and bam, i was able to get all the old IOS i needed.

 

[razorback78]

i think nintendo had already accepted the fact that they had designed the wii system with lots of loop holes and now just plans for a more stable unit for their next console release. come to think of it, the vulnerability of the wii to hacking is a blessing in disguise to their company; making it competitive (in terms of sales i mean not factors of built or gaming experience) with ps3 or xbox360. most of the people i know own a ps3 and a wii or xbox360 and a wii. but they use their wii more frequently compared to the other consoles...because of games...no...they are spending more time hacking their wii than playing games on them.

we all know that 4.2 update has solely one purpose (for now i think...) to block homebrew. i think they are hitting 2 birds here with one stone. first thing; they had again made something for coders to beat and for wii owners who uses homebrew to install and update for a while. making the wii again on top of all discussions in all gaming sites. secondly, test to see if their new update could be beaten (already beaten though) by the talented coders of homebrew...and if beaten records all of the facts/data that they may use for making their next console release more stable.

 

[FenrirWolf]

Maybe they'll do what Sony did from the PSP to the PS3. That thing's resisted most everything thrown at it so far.

 

[Bladexdsl]

they'll come out with a code system each time you want to play your wii you have to ring them and get a new code otherwise it wont even turn on

 

[DjoeN]

- Delete all unofficial ios's
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- The'll add Twitter and Facebook
- The'll ban you're console and ban your twitter and facebook account!
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- Payed Online Service like Xbox Live
- You have to pay for clothing and accesoires for your Mii's
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- Download of complete DSi games over Wii (kinda like PS3 and PSN for PSP)
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On the hardware site:

- A new Wii (FAT) with HDMI 1.3a support and 720p
- 8Gig Internal Memory
- USB HDD Support (special locked Wii only HDD's (like MS X360))

 

[Gabber]

Best thing Nintendo can do now to prevent the hacks is stop making Wii's and fuse with Sony PS3

 

[Codify]

I think Nintendo's next attempt will scan for title IDs again. And this is what the update message will say:

Wii Menu version 4.3 is now available for your Wii console. To update your Wii Menu to the latest version, please select the Update button at the bottom of the screen or select the System Update option in the Wii System Settings.

This update is made to delete any unauthorized modifications from your Wii system. This update also makes it possible for us to remotely update your Wii, thus making it both easier and safer to keep your Wii console up to date.

Unauthorized modifications can impair and/or damage the Wii. Some of them are illegal as well. Wii Menu 4.3 is designed to keep your console free of these modifications, so that your console will function both properly and legally..

Our EULA has also been changed to reflect this update. Many changes are because of the growing instances of piracy on the Wii. Changes made also reflect our efforts to prevent illegal copies of our games. You may read it in full at Nintendo.com. You will be required to accept the revised EULA in order to use the Wii. Failure to do so will prohibit you from using your Wii (as defined in the revised EULA).

In compliance with the DMCA, the following Wiis will cease to function after this update: Team Twiizers, marcan, bushing, Waninkoko, Xuzz, SoftMii, ect. If you own on of these Wiis, please read this:

http://nintendo.com/FAKE/1195-court-summon...homebrew-makers

You are required by law to install this update, as defined in the Wii EULA (regarding piracy).

**Please note: If you've updated your Wii Menu after 9/29/09, you may not need to update again.

Thank you for updating your Wii console!

 

[jakejm79]

If Nintendo wants to stop piracy they should have built a system that wasn't so full of loopholes. The fact that any idiot with an SD card can hack their Wii to do nearly anything is astounding. I mean, that's one of the reasons I like the Wii, since I don't need to pay for many games, but Nintendo cannot stop the rampant piracy as it is. The Wii will forever be known as probably the easiest system to pirate on.

Better luck next time, Nintendo.

I'd argue that the Dreamcast took that honor (and with it the demise of SEGA in the hardware segment). The idea that a special disc format would make you immune to piracy is laughable, burn the downloaded image to disc and then you are done, no chips, no cIOSes, no exploits, just burn disc and play.

Actually the Sega CD, 3do, CDi are tied since all of them used standard CD formats that could be read and duplicated on normal discs. The DC used a GD-ROMs that could only be read by the DC itself (over a null modem cable -> serial port piece of hardware which took literally a day to transfer and resulted in some DCs dying of heat) or a GD-ROM dev drive so it had some protection from piracy in the form of a proprietary disc format. Unfortunately, for them only the last batch of DC units were protected against booting burnt CDs.

True, but I don't remember a game on the Sega CD, 3do or CDi that was worth pirating in the first place (and I owned a Sega CD), maybe that is the solution to stop piracy is to create crap games that no one will want to play in the first place. I know it took a little bit of effort to generate these the images for the DC games, but for the end-user it was real simple: download image, burn image, play.
I don't think there will ever be a gaming system that wont be susceptible to piracy by the end of it's life.

 

[cracker]

I don't seem to remember many good titles for Sega CD except for maybe Sonic CD. Can't think of any CD-i games that were ever really raved about. However, there were a few good 3do games that were worth having: Road Rash, Need for Speed (both of which were released on PSX later but with content missing), Off World Interceptor (just for the videos if nothing else -- PSX had censored videos

), Wicked 18 (much better than SNES version), Way of the Warrior (some hate it but I love it), Flashback, Dragon's Lair, SSF2X... Not many in comparison to most other consoles but they did keep me entertained for a long time (especially RR, NFS, WOTW).

 

[Majroa]

But has someone updated to 4.3 yet? Did your Wii brick?

 

[bazamuffin]

Load of Bullshit! Scare-mongering at its weakest

 

[Skizzo]

wat about if u plug a USB in ur wii and mario and luigi personaly come to your house and fireball your ass and then threaten and take your country hostage

Holy fuck, what did I just say about the shitty jokes?
You can really fucking stop with them. They're not funny. I'm not laughing.

These are the kinds of people who think that Dane Cook is hilarious (he's not).

They're 'special', that's for sure. Simple minds...

 

[Skizzo]

The absolute best way for nintendo to disable homebrew by quite a bit would be to put an update hidden deep inside of another update that seemed harmless.

e.g. system menu 4.3.. seems just like 4.2 which is already fine. So then people update. all is well.
But then at a certain date it automatically patches the new bannerbomb, overwrites boot2 again, removes jodi, patches smash bros and indiana jones and from then on automatically checks the boot2 and for homebrew every time it loads up

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if i was at nintendo that would be how I would do it. a time bomb.

So you're basically saying that Nintendo distributes a glorified Trojan? Not only is it against conduct but it's unethical. Nintendo CANNOT update your system without your permission. That includes hidden updates.

But he said it would be included in an update you installed. Nintendo doesn't exactly spell out what their updates do, do they? So it'd just be another 'feature' of the update, only it didn't take effect immediately after applying it. Unethical? LOL. That satellite TV company got away with doing it, didn't they? If they could somehow do it when the files are being accessed with NUSD, then who's fault would that be?

I must have dreamt it, but I could have sworn I read some time ago that they passed laws that made it legal for companies to fight piracy by 'sabotaging' your equipment.