Nand backup for installed games?

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  1. comput3rus3r
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    Does it make sense to do a new nandmin backup after you've installed all your games? Or will it be the same as when you back it up during the cfw installation?
     


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    Every time you backup your nand it'll retain whatever it has on it, so, yes I guess it makes sense.
     
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    OK thanks. I didn't know if it actually backed up installed games too.
     
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    It won't backup games.
    It might just backup the tickets if I'm not wrong.
    Games are installed on the SD card. So backup your SD with your Nand backup
     
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    But as long as i have the sd card i wouldn't have to reinstall anything right?
     
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    Here is what happens.

    You need to have a ticket for that app for it to show up on the home menu (running it depends on CFW or not). When you do a nand backup, it backs up those tickets. Now if you were to do a backup, then download a new game, then do a nand restore, while the game is still on the sd card, the ticket is no longer on NAND, so the app does not show up on the home menu. This can be fixed by visiting the eshop or reinstalling the app if it is not from your eshop (if using dev menu, when trying to install the app, it will say it already exists and cancel the install, but still would have installed the ticket and the app would be on your home menu)
     
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    u need a nand backup as well or the game installs won't do anything. backup both.
     
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    Exactly. If i have my sd card and restore my nand it will have all my games installed already. Meaning my system will look exactly like it did when i created the nand backup. Right?
     
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    right. I just made a nand backup of mine a few days ago since I didn't want to lose the game installs. I also backed up the sd card. :)
     
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    Waste of space to backup SD card just for games imo. You can always re-download the games. Make it a habit to back-up your save games once in a while and you're golden .. backing up the whole SD card is just pointless tbh.
     
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    Better to be safe than sorry
     
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    Excuse me but how does what you said apply to anything that's being discussed in this thread? Backing up the whole SD card for the sake of backing up games is not being "safe". You can always re-download the games .. You can't even argue about that. I recommended to back up the saves once in a while which is enough.
     
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    Regardless if it's for the games or not, backing up the sd content as a whole is vital in case something happens.
     
  14. Distrance

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    Um no it isn't. Care to explain in detail why you think it's "vital"?
     
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    Because it just annoys the fuck out of you to have to re-download a mass of games and lose your saves - imagine people having 50 games installed, you can spend the whole day reinstalling them. And if you back up 50 saves, you're better off just cloning your SD once in a while. Takes like 10 minutes. If your SD breaks, restore image to new SD, done.

    NAND backups are usually only needed before doing anything that could break your nand, like installing something to nand or system updating and something goes wrong for example
     
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    Annoying is not same as vital. The dude above suggested as if you don't back up your SD card then you're in deep trouble .. hence the word "vital".

    I see your point though, but I don't necessarily agree with it. However as far as your example goes .. 50 games would not take 10 minutes to restore lmao. Not sure what sort of superspeed hi-tech SD card from the future you have but making a 1:1 copy of the SD card or restoring it takes far longer than just 10 minutes .. And the bigger the backup the longer it obviously takes.
     
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    Well, it wouldn't be the first time a sd just breaks. My original SanDisk just gave up after half a year and had some heavy slowdowns. Glad I could make a backup before it died, and restore it onto a new card.

    So think of having to install 50 games, say it's around 40gb, from freeshop. If you have a great d/l rate like 1mb/s, and it won't get any faster, this will take roughly 11 hours to reinstall them all, and that just if you have a stable d/l rate all the time and let it go consecutively. Installing them as .cia with FBI won't be faster.

    I'd rather restore a backup, really. If you got a good card like Sandisk Ultra, it'll read at around 80mb/s - so that 40gb would take around 10 minutes to backup, as I stated - and it will write at around 30mb/s, making it like 25 minutes to restore that.

    Is there even any homebrew app that can backup all saves at once, like with one click? Going through the saves of 50 games, backing them up, then transferring them to PC to save them will not be faster than just backing up your whole card. You can just leave it running and grab a coffee in the meantime. No harm done. And really, if you think 40gb for a sd backup is a waste of space... get a bigger hard drive. In times where you pay 120$ for 4 terabytes space shouldn't really be any issue anymore.

    As you see - there is literally no reason to not back up your sd occasionally. We are not speaking of every day, but maybe once every other week - just to be on the safe side. And NAND backup whenever you mess with NAND files or update something vital. Then nothing can happen that makes you lose progress.
     
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    Are you really telling someone to buy things on a forum where we discuss hacking our 3DS'es and pirating games? Did it ever occur to you that maybe not everyone is well off financially? Different people have different reasons for pirating games but I wouldn't be surprised if the majority decide to do so because they simply cannot afford to buy them. And whether I had the money for a 4TB drive or not is irrelevant because firstly - 40gb is still a waste of space. In fact I don't even understand why would you need to be playing 50 games at the same time resulting in that 40gb backup.

    Secondly, there's four available SATA III ports for storage on my motherboard, of which all four are in use with a 500GB SSD in each port. So it doesn't matter whether I had the money or not, I simply cannot use another drive. And yes I think that 2TB of SSD space is much more worthwhile than 4x4TB of HDD space. And 2TB isn't a lot of space on it's own so no, I don't want to waste space on games that I can very easily re-download in a matter of minutes. Not everyone struggles with pathetic 1MB/s download speeds. My top speed is around 35MB/s, and even though I doubt the 3DS can write the data that fast onto the SD card it's still very fast.

    Backing up 50 games at once would surely be pain in the ass, and no I don't know if there's HB for doing so with one click, but why would you need to back up 50 games in the first place? Are you suggesting that every week you play over 50 different games making progress in each of them which means that every week you would need to back up all of them? I find that rather unlikely.

    Lastly I don't even understand why we're arguing about this and especially the 50 game part when I never said anything about that in the first place until you decided to butt in. The whole point of this was that above the user claims "Better safe than sorry" and that SD backup is "vital", as if they were suggesting that the 3DS would not work without an SD card or something of the sort.

    Different people will opt in for different methods .. You can't invalidate my opinion just because it's differnt from yours. I stated that it's nothing but that - an opinion from the get go. That in my opinion, it's a waste of space when you could simply back up save files. You keep doing you and I'll keep doing my thing.
     
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    Sure, I have 100mbit connection, but that doesn't change the fact that

    A) freeshop or rather the 3ds' WiFi is not that fast, it tops at around 1mbyte/s and
    B) files are installed very slow on 3ds, also with fbi, the SD just writes slow

    Fast Internet connection doesn't change the fact that it takes hours and hours to install games. A 4gb game like MGS Snake Eater can take up to an hour. Calculate yourself how great it is to reinstall games.

    But I see that you simply don't want to understand how unproblematic and easy making a backup is. See you around in a thread about how you lost your data and don't know how to restore it
     
  20. Distrance

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    Yes because the SD card is expected to break so often that I really must think ahead in the future how awful it will be to reinstall the handful games I actually play. Oh my god I will likely die of old age before all my games are installed at this rate.. Not.

    I backup my saves with JKSM and that's it. I play one to two games at a time, so that's one to two saves to back up when I feel like it. If my SD card breaks then 1) I have the weekly backup and 2) I can reinstall the games. Literally no other relevant data is lost so I don't understand why you're making it out to be such a big deal.

    You're not gonna see me in such a thread because first off it's unlikely that the SD card will break, and if it does then I will re-download my games. As simple as that. Surely I can go on and not play my 3DS for few hours it takes to reinstall the games? You clearly can't .. I guess you spend every waking moment of your life playing it since re-downloading the games is just too slow for you? Good for you. I guess you don't sleep either? Considering with freeShop you can queue downloads and set it so that the console shuts off once done - which is what I'd do if I had a massive amount of games to download .. I'd sleep and let it do it's thing.

    Let me copy you here .. "I see that you simply don't want to understand that different people will approach things differently, and the way I do things works for me.. I'm sorry it's so different from yours that you feel like you have to convert my way of thinking."
     
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