Gaming Mario Kart profanity

[Tomobobo]

Yeah, I pretty much hold the same opinion as MADKATZ99. Online competitive play is for the pros. If you can't hang, don't play. I'm not saying I can hang, but I don't bitch about the "snakers". Plain and simple: they're using the game to it's fullest technical ability to whoop your less-than-professional method of playing the game. That's what happens, someone out there spends all their time practicing and whooping ass, and you get on and get your ass whooped. It's the same with any online game.

Play counter-strike and try to bitch about people using the AK because it's cheap.

Go to a Smash Bros. competition and see if no one makes fun of you for saying that wavedashing was "cheating".

Get online with Mario Strikers Charged and be surprised about the number of people using DK, Wario, and the infamously cheesy Dry Bones sidekick.

Play any of the 3 games with the mentality that technical ability is cheap, and you'll soon find yourself crying in the corner with urine stained pants.

 

[VmprHntrD]

Sissy?! You're calling not just us on here bringing it up, but Shigeru Miyamoto a sissy too? He bitched about it in an interview, does that make him a sissy too saying he was disappointed it was being used in the game to take the intended competitive fun nature of the game away?

Well then I'd rather be a sissy like Miyamoto, at least us sissys know what a quality game should be like. >:\

Hell I hope they implement a few second lag time to kill snake, or go back to a system more like the N64 and GBA had, maybe a hybrid setup or radically different. If it forces the game to be more competitive as you'll have to drive with skill and use those items more sparingly at the right time that would make one killer race.



...and you're right there TOM...

There are lifeless douchebags out there that will just focus on one game day and night around job/homwork+school just so they can feel better about themselves by racking up yet another win because they can either properly outskill, cheat, or exploit a game to squash someone else. So you're right, online gaming for most is NOT fun, it never will be fun, it's the bigleagues for a tiny tiny minority because you get just enough that soil the fun. ...That is, unless you can get into a tiered system where like talented players are played against each other, then it's damn fun to no end as you never can really tell who the hell will win that race, shoot out, military conquest, chess game, etc until it is over. And that there, is the place MP gaming online can be fun, otherwise, save it for a common group of friends as it's just more fun and interesting for everyone that way.

 

[Tomobobo]

If he really thought that then he must either not have developed much for the game, or doesn't know what he's doing when he develops games. I highly doubt the latter part.

Because when you design a game, you should know about that kind of stuff. Shit, it was in MKD too, if they thought it was such a problem then, why didn't they change it? Because it makes the game more technical for people who don't like games that are overly simple.

That's the joy of Nintendo's first party franchises. That's why kids 3 years old and people who have no life and constantly strive to find the fastest way around the track or what have you can all enjoy their titles. Smash Bros. is fun if your 3 or if you're 30 because you can play around when you're 3 and like the goofy cartoony characters and colors and when you're 30 you can get into hardcore technical battles.

Do you want Mario Kart to be more like Mario Party? Where regardless of your skills and what you did in the game, you still might lose because of some random ass factor? That's no fun, you spent time learning the game and honing your skills at every aspect and at the end of it all, some retard who is playing for the first time whoops your ass on some random luck factored into the game for whiners who have no skills.

 

[spokenrope]

Sissy?! You're calling not just us on here bringing it up, but Shigeru Miyamoto a sissy too? He bitched about it in an interview...(snip)

- Miyamoto didn't bitch about it. He said he didn't like it.

- For that matter, I've heard this before about Miyamoto, but have never seen any of it backed up. Put a fucking source for that Miyamoto quote, please.

- You say that people who spend the time to get really good at games have no lives. While some of them might have no lives, at least they don't repeatedly post on game forums bitching about snaking in Mario Kart.

- Snaking isn't cheating. For the love of god stop crying about it.

 

[T!b0]

I think the point you don't get is that snaking is an unnecessary skill: in Mario Kart games that didn't have it, you could already get some major improvement by driving better, finding when to drift, shortcuts etc...

So you could still kick a noobs ass with your ubber skills, if that's what you're into.

Now the problem is there is a HUGE gap in speed between players who use powerslide, and players who abuse it by snaking.

So there is no struggle for the win, it's just plain simple: snake or loose. No alternative, no challenge.



Well anyway there's no end to this, as every1 plays his games the way he wants; but get people together to play online and you'll always have one part of them ruining the fun of the other part...




ON TOPIC: I read quite a number of that "xkcd" comic, and it's really good!! Clever and funny

 

[spokenrope]

I think the point you don't get is that snaking is an unnecessary skill: in Mario Kart games that didn't have it, you could already get some major improvement by driving better, finding when to drift, shortcuts etc...

So you could still kick a noobs ass with your ubber skills, if that's what you're into.Â

Now the problem is there is a HUGE gap in speed between players who use powerslide, and players who abuse it by snaking.

So there is no struggle for the win, it's just plain simple: snake or loose. No alternative, no challenge.

I really don't know where our disconnect here is, and I think we might just be talking past each other.

Players who play the game more develop the skills necessary to stay competitive. They're playing inside the realm of what the game offers, so it's available to everybody; ergo they're not cheating.

I played Halo 2 online for a while back in the day, and it would piss me off to no end when people would use a charged shot to drain my shield and then a pistol to the head to kill me in 1 second. It was "abuse," I guess, but it's a skill that I could develop if I played long enough.

It's the same with Mario Kart. I shouldn't expect other people to come down to my level when I compete against them.

 

[VmprHntrD]

Sissy?! You're calling not just us on here bringing it up, but Shigeru Miyamoto a sissy too? He bitched about it in an interview...(snip)

- Miyamoto didn't bitch about it. He said he didn't like it.

- For that matter, I've heard this before about Miyamoto, but have never seen any of it backed up. Put a fucking source for that Miyamoto quote, please.

- You say that people who spend the time to get really good at games have no lives. While some of them might have no lives, at least they don't repeatedly post on game forums bitching about snaking in Mario Kart.

- Snaking isn't cheating. For the love of god stop crying about it.

1) Splitting hairs
2) I'm still looking. I know I read it, just can't recall where...when I find it, it'll get posted for you.
3) It takes me 1-3min to make a post, takes them 1-3mo committment or better multiple hours of many days a week to do that so well...big difference.
4) I never persay said it was a cheat, I called it an exploit, but hey yah I can stretch it to one...gladly will if I find that damn quote.


By the way going off your back and forward with T!bo there, I think we're seeing similarities but not reading the page the same way either. He's got my thoughts spelled out really well there on why snaking pisses me off. Previous mario kart didn't have the exploit, had to pound away learning the courses like a real driver, learn then when to use those precious boosts, and so on, and when to use what item you have at the time to get advantage. You have those players (like me), and you have those who will instead go for a pure speed ride for the best time, they'll snake the entire course and forego items unless they're forced to use it because they will outrun you(the non-snaker) no matter how perfect a driver you are...you can't win, because they snake...abusing an exploit in the system. See my beef is his beef...get a group of 3 top notch AAA drivers together, and then toss in a 'snaker'...snaker will win nearly every time. It ruins online mode for the 3 who learned to play the game by normal practices and gives a hollow victory to the guy who learned to hit 2-3buttons/movements to do X move endlessly around a course for a win. As he said...no struggle, no challenge, no alternative. That's my problem...it's a rotten exploit.

A year ago when that game was new I could do it, very very well but not flawlessly as I didn't bother. I had it explained to me on a forum I used to administer and did it offline...got some insane times but I by preference didn't enjoy it as I didn' tneed to try nor use items, so it really wasn't mario kart to me anymore, just another generic racer with mario on it. That's why I quit with that stunt. I kept going online for a good while, but more and more started using it in open runs, so I went to rivals, and often I got a fair race, but in time it got to where 50/50 of the time it seemed some snakers knew how to balanced their skill to fit into rival matches to get wins. Those races I'd just flip it off and re-connect, but that got tiresome so I quit playing the game all together but rarely offline. It disappointed me that much, and that's why I pray it gets set back to the pre-DS/GC days in respect to that alone.

 

[VmprHntrD]

I have yet to find it, did come across this out of Nintendo Power Magazine:

"Since you can do it [snaking] without altering the game,
we wouldn't consider it cheating. That said, most of us [NP writers]
think the technique is kind of lame and goes against
what the developers originally intended."~Nintendo Power Issue 202

If I find the other one I'll edit this post or make another if some exist after this point.

 

[becker2384]

Get rich or die tryin!
Snake or Powerslide tryin.
Stop complaining just cause you suck ass!

 

[754boy]

Sissy?! You're calling not just us on here bringing it up, but Shigeru Miyamoto a sissy too? He bitched about it in an interview...(snip)

- Miyamoto didn't bitch about it. He said he didn't like it.

- For that matter, I've heard this before about Miyamoto, but have never seen any of it backed up. Put a fucking source for that Miyamoto quote, please.

- You say that people who spend the time to get really good at games have no lives. While some of them might have no lives, at least they don't repeatedly post on game forums bitching about snaking in Mario Kart.

- Snaking isn't cheating. For the love of god stop crying about it.

Hmm, u bastard snaker!!!!

 

[gordillo]

really no one should be complaining cause if you think of it,the people who can snake spend so much time on learning how to do it perfect,causes their social life to go down because they'll drift away from all other life and just concentrate on how perfect their skill on snaking is

LONERS

 

[shadow1w2]

Snaking comes from the fact that when you powerslide right to the near limit that you get a small boost for taking the risk.
That way if you powerslided through a sharp turn you get an extra boost as a reward.
Snaking comes from doing this over and over again through straight ways.
Its more or less a fair trick.
Though they made it down right easy in MKDS.
So now everybody does it.

I dont think snaking should be removed, but instead made harder.
That way when someone online snakes infront of you, you can only say, "damn, that guy must be good to be able to do that"
Though it would still feel like cheating :/
Best thing to do is the keep it but give a penelty to anyone who over uses it.
Like for instance making the engine over heat and force the player to be stuck for a minute.
That way the only way to avoid it is to stop snaking and run through the course till the engine cools down or just stop and wait. Thus giving non snakers a chance to get by and giving snakers more of a cool factor for taking the risk.

Though snaking is one thing, but with online play in Mario kart, I think drafting should give more of a bonus for players that can be a team and pull off a big speed boost by taking turns getting boosts and climbing speeds. This creating a team based technic that could easily beat snaking.
Something Id really really love to see.

Snaking is so ten years ago.

 

[754boy]

shadow1w2 has a good idea, about the engine overheating. They could make it so too many repeated powerslide boosts overheat the engine and actually slow u down lol. Maybe 2 max within a 10 second time period. That would skin those snakes alive lol.

 

[coops024]

get a group of 3 top notch AAA drivers together, and then toss in a 'snaker'...snaker will win nearly every time. It ruins online mode for the 3 who learned to play the game by normal practices and gives a hollow victory to the guy who learned to hit 2-3buttons/movements to do X move endlessly around a course for a win. As he said...no struggle, no challenge, no alternative. That's my problem...it's a rotten exploit.

What you actually mean is "get a group of 3 top notch AAA drivers together, and then toss in a 'AAAA' driver ... The ability to snake is not something we are born with it is a skill that we've developed
Anyone can "hit 2-3buttons/movements to do X move endlessly" but surely we have to know the course well enough, select the best Kart to use and put up wit having banana skins in every item block !

I went online for the very first time some years ago and got my a$$ handed to me on a plate by someone who learned how to snake

Now its a case of I want to play MKDS over wifi and the only way to get enjoyment is to snake ! so I do ... and I get enjoyment

If any of you want to enjoy MKDS on wifi then start snaking

MKDS = FUN
MKDS + Snaking = Super Fast Fun

 

[Hitto]

Gawd, people still talk about this...

I hope snaking is the only way to win in MKWii, possibily that will infuriate the care bears, the trammelites, the baby seals and all other WHINING BITCHES that have plagued gaming since pong.

Seriously, you guys are actually proud of screaming "BAAAAW! WHY WON'T YOU LET ME WIN!!!!" in a public place?

 

[VmprHntrD]

Funny how the exploiters get so damn defensive. Online has never been a huge thing for me, never much enjoyed it no matter if I was better at a game or not. For me since the early 80s it's always been a personal thing, an escape. It basically is a way to have some fun, do something you can't do in real life and get lost for an hour or so. MP gaming defies that because it's now communal, and you have to deal with everything from fair play to huge packs of cheaters with hacks and things, and also those blowhard assholes who can't keep their mouths shut and annoy everyone other than themselves.

MKDS I pop up periodically, but recently no more as I moved on. I only got in on this to put my piece in there and hope they re-balance the system in the Wii title. It too will be a singular event for me as that's where the fun is. If the title has a balanced online mode I may try it a few times or so, see how I like it. If it has exploits maybe I'll bother to learn them, maybe not...just play it as intended, not to shaft people. If it ends up like how MKDS goes though and I read about it before I try it, I'll just stay out. I prefer placing a few dozen hours into something on my own and keep inching up the clock making better times or finding new short cuts on my own as the exploration is what matters.

 

[HBK]

get a group of 3 top notch AAA drivers together, and then toss in a 'snaker'...snaker will win nearly every time. It ruins online mode for the 3 who learned to play the game by normal practices and gives a hollow victory to the guy who learned to hit 2-3buttons/movements to do X move endlessly around a course for a win. As he said...no struggle, no challenge, no alternative. That's my problem...it's a rotten exploit.


What you actually mean is "get a group of 3 top notch AAA drivers together, and then toss in a 'AAAA' driver ... The ability to snake is not something we are born with it is a skill that we've developed
Anyone can "hit 2-3buttons/movements to do X move endlessly" but surely we have to know the course well enough, select the best Kart to use and put up wit having banana skins in every item block !

I went online for the very first time some years ago and got my a$$ handed to me on a plate by someone who learned how to snake

Now its a case of I want to play MKDS over wifi and the only way to get enjoyment is to snake ! so I do ... and I get enjoyment

If any of you want to enjoy MKDS on wifi then start snaking

MKDS = FUN
MKDS + Snaking = Super Fast Fun

I totally agree. Most of the times I snake on Wi-Fi, unless stated by a competition rule (if that is the case) or if the player seems weak. But average people and higher, I snake.

It's a skill like understanding IV's and EV's in Pokemon and training them to pwn your opponent. Is that cheating? No, it's knowledge about the game mechanics. Like in Advance Wars, where you have to predict your opponents moves well and use the powers correctly to win.

Bottom line - If you don't explore the games mechanics on a game you like/love, you are missing out. Snaking is optional, but highly recommended (presuming you want to win).

 

[skywarp]

really no one should be complaining cause if you think of it,the people who can snake spend so much time on learning how to do it perfect,causes their social life to go down because they'll drift away from all other life and just concentrate on how perfect their skill on snaking isÂ

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LONERS

I have like, maybe 60 online games played on my mario kart ds record, most of them played while waiting for/on a bus or on a plane, and I snake when I play because it's easy as hell, and takes no practice; it's a basic game mechanic. Have you ever played against the time trial ghosts left by the games designers? Many of them snake for christ's sake.

What do you people want, a racer where all you do is hold A, and the outcome is completely determined by luck with items? Give me a break. If you want to play something entirely based on luck, go throw some dice, or hook up with some other rejects for an online dice throwing simulator competition.

 

[Rocco Savadgie]

Bring back the coins I say

 

[Jaxtaylor]

I guess another option would be to only make the turbo boost available when the slide is greater than a certain angle - that way it would only really be useful on sharp corners, and only slow you down on straights.

Alternatively, an option when you go to play online - "Power Slide (and any other extras they might add) ON or OFF"

I can snake, but don't - the best races are the ones where you're neck and neck most of the way, the times I have snaked and almost lapped my opponent, I just thought "This is boring now."

But anyways, don't get stressed over it - it's just a game after all!!