London Terror Attack(s)

[Lord M]

Thank God I don't live in Italy anymore otherwise people would group me up with people like you guys.

Thank No One i dont live in Poland.
Other than read ignorant comments like this, i also see Poland people stealing italian jobs.
Other than write foolish thing and steal others jobs, you can do something else?

 

[WeedZ]

Family and friends of terrorists should be executed on the spot, innocent or not.

If terrorists knew their familes will die along with them, maybe they'd think twice before bombing children or stabbing random people on the streets.

Time is coming very soon where no one will care, and people will just gather up together and start killing muslims on their own, with or without their governments backing.

Edit: Inb4 racist, nazi, whatever. Time they start getting punished for their crimes.

That's terrorism

 

[Deleted-355425]

How is Islam a race? It's a religion. Arabic people are primarily Islamic/Muslim, yes, but Arab is a race, there's a difference. The term you're seeking is Islamophobia.

it was sarcasm which was carried over from posts further back, some douche was calling everyone a racist for no logical reason.

 

[TheDarkGreninja]

it was sarcasm which was carried over from posts further back, some douche was calling everyone a racist for no logical reason.

Not like there was much logic in this thread, to begin with.

 

[UltraDolphinRevolution]

Is it ok if I call this guy a sociopath?
After all a sociopath is:
a person with a personality disorder manifesting itself in extreme antisocial attitudes and behaviour.

Yes, we can. But I would argue terrorists wouldn't get themselves killed if they didn't expect a reward. Those who actually fight are exhalted in the Quran. You can only argue about what a legitimate target is.

And how was Muhammed intolerant when he had an army?

Radical peacefulness became defensive war and finally led to offensive war (s. Sura 9, even against the "people of the book").

Exactly which one of these laws is intolerant to a certain view?

I don't like the word tolerance. I'm in favor of equality. If there is a party which is tolerant, it is implied that the party has the power to destroy or prohibit other opinions. The killing of apostates is despicable beyond words. Not only is it done by the state but many traditional Muslim families feel it is their duty to kill their apostate son/daughter. Just look the stories of people who have left Islam and had to flee.

What exactly are you trying to say?

Fighting somebody does not have to be in a literal sense (with a sword). There are different forms of Jihad.
Therefore there can be different way of fighting Allah and Muhammad. E.g. if I was living in a land which was conquered by Muslims (as a Dhimmi) I would not be allowed to write poetry against Muhammad. Muhammad himself ordered the murder of people who did that. Therefore it is difficult to condemn people for things the founder of a religion did himself.

Pretty easy actually:
“There is no compulsion where the religion is concerned.” (Holy Quran: 2/ 256)

I had this in mind as well (+to you be your religion and to me be mine). But I thought DrayanoX may have meant a hadith (I asked because I don't remember one mentioning a "home country").

 

[TheDarkGreninja]

You can only argue about what a legitimate target is.

And innocent people are never considered legitimate targets.

offensive war (s. Sura 9, even against the "people of the book")

Nope never an offensive war:
9:13 Would you not fight a people who broke their oaths and determined to expel the Messenger, and they had begun the attack upon you the first time? Do you fear them? But Allah has more right that you should fear Him, if you are [truly] believers.

The killing of apostates is despicable beyond words.

If someone leaves Islam and keeps it to themselves they can't be killed. It's when they try to make others convert which is when they've crossed a line. Often, in the past, they'd be exiled rather than killed.

I would not be allowed to write poetry against Muhammad. Muhammad himself ordered the murder of people who did that.

I'm going to need evidence for that claim as I had provided evidence earlier to the contrary.

 

[AsPika2219]

Look likes TOO MANY ATTACKS in entire worlds on this Ramadan...

 

[TotalInsanity4]

Reminder that "Jihad" is not a fight with someone else

 

[Vipera]

Thank No One i dont live in Poland.
Other than read ignorant comments like this, i also see Poland people stealing italian jobs.
Other than write foolish thing and steal others jobs, you can do something else?

I'm Italian you dumbass.

 

[Lord M]

I'm Italian you dumbass.

And according to you how can i know this by seeing your Poland flag?
ok you go to live in Poland, but no clue to make think you are italian, genius.
Anyway that explain everything... LOL
You can thank God even for world's terrorism, you brain-dead.

 

[Vipera]

And according to you how can i know this by seeing your Poland flag?
ok you go to live in Poland, but no clue to make think you are italian, genius.
Anyway that explain everything... LOL
You can thank God even for world's terrorism, you brain-dead.

I was born in Italy and I moved in Poland. Is it so hard to understand?
It's still better than being associated with people like you. Go watch your youtube videos about subliminal messages and masonry now

 

[HtheB]

 

[Lord M]

I was born in Italy and I moved in Poland. Is it so hard to understand?
It's still better than being associated with people like you. Go watch your youtube videos about subliminal messages and masonry now

Wow, so ignorant. No offence, but so ignorant
Ok i accept your advice, and you go to live in your idyllic imaginary world not ruled by pharmaceutical business and politics war games -.-
Even Alice woke up from her dream, why so hard for you?
You can go to pray your God (of War) to stop terrorism and i will wait to see what happen.
So you really think that some strange bad things happen because they have to happen? I think you need to buy a brain. Even a child can do 2+2.
People like you took 10 years to understand how fake was the attack to Twin Towers. You need 10 years to understand this? too slow. Thanks to people like you the world will never change better.

 

[Lord M]

I was born in Italy and I moved in Poland. Is it so hard to understand?
It's still better than being associated with people like you. Go watch your youtube videos about subliminal messages and masonry now

Wow, so ignorant. No offence, but so ignorant
Ok i accept your advice, and you go to live in your idyllic imaginary world not ruled by pharmaceutical business and politics war games -.-
Even Alice woke up from her dream, why so hard for you?
You can go to pray your God (of War) to stop terrorism and i will wait to see what happen.
So you really think that some strange bad things happen because they have to happen? I think you need to buy a brain. Even a child can do 2+2.
People like you took 10 years to understand how fake was the attack to Twin Towers. You need 10 years to understand this? too slow. Thanks to people like you the world will never change better.

 

[UltraDolphinRevolution]

And innocent people are never considered legitimate targets.

True, but the definition of innocent varies greatly. According to the Quran, those who disbelieve are the worst of creatures. How can I be worse than a rat or an ant? Only due to my lack of believe. Christians think similarly but there the bad treatment is reserved for the afterlife (Jesus didn't have political power).

Nope never an offensive war:
9:13 Would you not fight a people who broke their oaths and determined to expel the Messenger, and they had begun the attack upon you the first time? Do you fear them? But Allah has more right that you should fear Him, if you are [truly] believers.

Sorry, I don't have time to look into it but I believe 9:13 still talks about the polytheists. The Byzantine Empire has never broken any oaths. They were fighting the non-Muslim Persians for hundreds of years. Apparently they were invited to become Muslims but refused. 9:29 is a call for offensive warfare and 9:30 is the justification for it. It is about belief, not about having done anything to them.
Arabia united under Muhammad and the following Kaliphs swept through the Middle East, North Africa, parts of Europe and India. That doesn't sound like defensive wars to me, does it? It's like saying Hitler defended himself.

If someone leaves Islam and keeps it to themselves they can't be killed. It's when they try to make others convert which is when they've crossed a line. Often, in the past, they'd be exiled rather than killed.

Therefore society can never change. If I can't even tell my family members.

I'm going to need evidence for that claim as I had provided evidence earlier to the contrary.

Well, it didn't mention Muhammad way of dealing with things.

Read the end of p.314 and the beginning of p.315:
A man killed his wife for insulting Muhammad. The case was brought before Muhammad and he decided not to punish him. Below it is another Sahih narration of a man killing a Jewish woman. Same pattern.
I believe this pretty much mirrors the widely accepted attitude of Muslims regarding Charlie Hebdo. Even many so-called moderate Muslims think it was just for the mockers to be killed.
https://books.google.de/books?id=Pph5DAAAQBAJ&pg=PA314&lpg=PA314&dq="I+adjure+by+Allah+the+man+who+has+done+this+action"&source=bl&ots=axqbsNHcjD&sig=rtibDS5ky-o5oYUzWQN3XvaPxrE&hl=de&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjIha_AiKXUAhULWywKHbRODKsQ6AEIJzAA#v=onepage&q&f=false

 

[smile72]

yes yes you keep saying im a racist but you have nothing to back it up. You are a racist.

I italicized what I needed to prove you wrong. I'm not a racist. That much I can say. You have just ignorant and outdated information. Now moving on. I'm done with this. You have proven nothing except you are paranoid.

 

[Deleted-355425]

I italicized what I needed to prove you wrong. I'm not a racist. That much I can say. You have just ignorant and outdated information. Now moving on. I'm done with this. You have proven nothing except you are paranoid.

I have also italicized where you prove to be a racist.

 

[TheDarkGreninja]

True, but the definition of innocent varies greatly. According to the Quran, those who disbelieve are the worst of creatures. How can I be worse than a rat or an ant? Only due to my lack of believe.

the verse that says that (98:6) doesnt say that these people are not innocent, merely wrongdoers.

The Byzantine Empire has never broken any oaths. They were fighting the non-Muslim Persians for hundreds of years. Apparently they were invited to become Muslims but refused. 9:29 is a call for offensive warfare and 9:30 is the justification for it. It is about belief, not about having done anything to them.

9:29 has to do with the Tabuk expedition. Here's a hadith on it:
“I never remained behind Allah’s Messenger from any expedition which he undertook except the Battle of Tabuk and that of the Battle of Badr. So far as the Battle of Badr is concerned, nobody was blamed for remaining behind as Allah’s Messenger and the Muslims (did not set out for attack but for waylaying) the caravan of the Quraish, but it was Allah Who made them confront their enemies without their intention (to do so). I had the honour to be with Allah’s Messenger on the night of ‘Aqaba when we pledged our allegiance to Islam and it was more dear to me than my participation in the Battle of Badr, although Badr was more popular amongst people as compared with that (Tabuk). And this is my story of remaining back from Allah’s Messenger on the occasion of the Battle of TABUK. Never did I possess means enough and (my circumstances) more favourable than at the occasion of this expedition. And, by Allah, I had never before this expedition simultaneously in my possession two rides. Allah’s Messenger set out for this expedition in extremely hot season; the journey was long and the land (which he and his army had to cover) was waterless and HE HAD TO CONFRONT A LARGE ARMY, so he informed the Muslims about the actual situation (they had to face), so that they should adequately equip themselves for this expedition, and he also told them the destination where he intended to go. …” (Sahih Muslim Book 37, Hadith 6670)

Notice the fact that they were already there. It would suggest it was they who had started it.

Therefore society can never change. If I can't even tell my family members.

I should've been clearer, you can tell your parents your lack of faith, but they can't ever lay a hand on you unless you publicly announce it.
If you have valid criticism you can discuss it with an imam and have that criticism resolved.

Read the end of p.314 and the beginning of p.315:
A man killed his wife for insulting Muhammad. The case was brought before Muhammad and he decided not to punish him.
I believe this pretty much mirrors the widely accepted attitude of Muslims regarding Charlie Hebdo. Even many so-called moderate Muslims think it was just for the mockers to be killed.

It was not his wife it was a slave. The issue with this is that she was killed for doing it continuously without pause.
He chose to kill her after giving ample warning to stop and by disregarding and slandering Islam she was killed. Of course, this does not mean Muhammed apporoved of the way it was done, we may never know. It is also not fair to make an entire religous ruling based on one course of action that may not represent the "right way".

 

[smile72]

I have also italicized where you prove to be a racist.

Um I checked your previous posts. Nothing was italicized. So you are saying I'm not a racist? Ok then, stop wasting my time~! Lets move on.

 

[Deleted-355425]

Um I checked your previous posts. Nothing was italicized. So you are saying I'm not a racist? Ok then, stop wasting my time~! Lets move on.

racist and stupid, i dont know how you manage to breathe, must be all the radiation.

 

[smile72]

racist and stupid, i dont know how you manage to breathe, must be all the radiation

Again....its tiring talking to someone this ignorant. If you have nothing to say move on. You have no point. You know NOTHING about Japan. I bet you don't live here. I bet you have never lived here. And I politely italicized again so maybe you will eventually understand. I'm not stupid I actually looked through all of your posts that I have replied to. I found nothing so you are probably being sarcastic or stupid. Which one I'm honestly not sure. So let"s move on.[/QUOTE]