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    The UN International Atomic Energy Agency Friday, Sept. 2 stressed its increasing concern "about the possible existence in Iran of past or current undisclosed nuclear-related activities involving military-related organizations, including activities related to the development of a nuclear payload for a missile, about which the Agency continues to receive new information."

    The nuclear watchdog was also alarmed by three disclosures made by Fereydoon Abbas, head of Iran's atomic energy agency, Monday, Aug. 29, attesting to the speeding-up of its military nuclear program and preparations for a possible attack on its installations.
    1. Abbasi boasted that Iran's nuclear fuel production already far exceeded its needs. debkafile's military sources report that this first public announcement meant that Tehran was about to move on from 20 percent enriched uranium to 60 percent – the last step before the 90 percent enrichment for weapons-grade fuel.

    According to several sources, Iran has already stocked 4,500 kilograms of low-enriched uranium, which would be enough for four nuclear weapons after further enrichment.
    2. Abbas pronounced "dead" the 2009 proposal for the West to supply Iran with new fuel for its small research reactor in return for an end to Iranian production of the fuel. “We will no longer negotiate a fuel swap and a halt to our production of fuel,” he said.

    3. The head of Iran's atomic agency also revealed the imminent transfer of its critical enrichment facilities from Natanz to a heavily fortified subterranean facility near the holy city of Qom to keep it safe from air, missile and cyber attack.

    Tehran has made it clear that the facility will not be open to international oversight and will use the most advanced centrifuges – IR-4 and IR-2m - for speeding up the production of highly-enriched uranium.

    Western intelligence sources estimated Sunday, Sept. 4, that Iran's advances had brought forward to the spring of 2012 the potential completion of between two and four bombs and the ability to conduct a nuclear test.

    At the White House, Tommy Vietor, a spokesman for the National Security Council said that the Iranian plan “to install and operate centrifuges at Qom is a violation of their United Nations security obligations and another provocative act.”

    While demonstrating the arrogance of a would-be global nuclear power, Iran suffered an unexpected diplomatic snub Sunday, Sept. 4, when parliamentary speaker Ali Larijani was informed at the last minute that he would not get to meet the Chinese and North Korean heads of state when he visited Beijing and Pyongyang – only low-ranking officials. He thereupon cancelled his trips.
    China and North Korea appear to have decided to keep their distance from the nuclear miscreant in Tehran.
    Last Wednesday, Aug. 31, French President Nicolas Sarkozy warned, "Iran's attempts to build long-range missiles and nuclear weapons could lead unnamed countries to launch a pre-emptive attack."
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    Pleas god let that missile explode in Iran
     
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    American politicians are such hyprocrits
     
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    Probably America if it will even hit. Or America starts another war before it hits is a possibility too.
     
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    And so the world moves closer to war.
     
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    if amerika want to spare some lifes in the U.S. than they must bomb that fucking Iran or Irak
     
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    i am surprised coolness, there is no concrete proof that Iran has nuclear WEAPONS and yet countries like Israel that defintely has weapons and is aggressive (they have not signed the nuclear treaty which says that nuclear weapons should slowly be disposed) and many other countries are not looked at with anger at all?

    why does the media focus their eyes continuously on Iran when Iran openly invites them and they do come and see nothing but still they stress something is there. are they psychic?

    and yes, the only ppl who have used nuclear weapons in the past are.... yes, iran oops no actually America
     
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    Yeah, cuz that wouldn't kill anyone in Iran right??

    Silly Americans thinking the trade centers collapsing was a world tragedy and the world needs to be reminded off every year. Just move the fuck on, nobody you see grieving for all the people that were killed when America assaulted Afghanistan (which surpass the numbers by multitudes).

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    Oh please. Look what happened to Iraq, Bush insisted they have weapons of mass destruction. Problem is there is none. In fact Iraq was never a threat to US to begin with. We ended up murder thousands of Iraqi people all for the satisfaction of Bush (he wants to finish off what his father could not of accomplish).

    There is no concrete evidence that Iran has nuclear weapons. Even if they do does that mean we can attack them? If so then by your logic we should be attacking China as well, they have massive numbers of nuclear weapon.
     
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    Well we knew this was going to happen they shuld be stop them before it ge serius


    also china increases it nuke asernal i see a 2nd coldwar
     
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    Then what makes you so sure that Iran will attack US and EU? Show me some proof that Iran is trigger happy towards US and EU.

    Unfriendly =/= Hostile country.

    Besides, if you look back history you'll see that prior to WW2 US is well respected among middle east countries. Their relationships deteriorated when US begins seizing oil control and the provided supports to Israel (which triggered the 1973 energy crisis).
     
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    The problem with Iran getting a nuclear weapon is that they have said they will wipe Israel off the face of the earth. They've said they want to commit an act of genocide over and over. Other countries that have a nuclear capability have never expressed the desire to use them. If you feel comfortable with Iran having a nuclear capability after that then you're ether a fool or you're in favor of the use of nuclear weapons.
     
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    Well Bin laden is dead but stil, there are some terroristes that can take his leader ship and than maybe bomb a monument just like the Twin Towers.
     
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    large scale war cant happen Mutual asure destruction and all that
     
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    Im glad this thread turned into a political war.
     
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    Now you are making stuff up. Iran in the past have said,

    * Nuclear weapon will serves as a deterrence.
    * Iran will launch nuclear weapon only IF US launches an unconventional attack against them.

    You should know by now that all middle east countries are against Israel formation. Their religion simply cannot allow Israel, which is a complete opposite to their religion.
     
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    because its a serious thing to talk about, and hear from the other side what someone else have to tell about this.
     
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    It's another piece of neocon's propaganda against a government who have tried, since 2005, to sell his oil in another currency than the US petrodollar.
    It's not the first one:

    A-Myth of iranian threats:

    "TEHRAN — Iran's conservative new president, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, said Wednesdaythat Israel must be "wiped off the map" and that attacks by Palestinians would destroy it, the ISNA press agency reported."
    http://www.nytimes.com/2005/10/26/world/af...26iht-iran.html

    Totally fake traduction out of context to push the idea of a radicalization of the official iranian position. Iranian islamic republic's position never change, they ask for the end of ethnic and religious segregation and the politic of discrimination against the historical (not mythical) inhabitants of the land expelled in 1948 in the terror plan (destruction of villages), the daleth plan. It's a political stance, not an humanitarian position. They don't care of the palestinians refugees but they use this patent injustice, like the turkey of erdogan, to communicate and seduce the public opinion of the maghreb and the mashreq.

    B-The myth of the nazi badge imposed to iranian jews:

    The story of a yellow insignia for the iranian jewish population manufactured by the monarchist amir taheri (who regret the dictatorial pro-western regime of the last shah and his bloody savak...)
    http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3252934,00.html
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_Iranian_...law_controversy
    http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/news/st...be-bb91af82abb3
    http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/news/st...16-53262b49a4f7

    C-Myth of the stolen election of 2009:


    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/worl...et=0&page=1
    or
    http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/06/1...ection-results/

    This allegation is only based on the accusation of the looser, moussavi , the religious cleric who accept the privatization of the iranian economy (oil, media, health, intellectual property...) backed by rasfanjani, the "mullah milliardaire", instrumentalizing students movements (the classic scheme of "color revolution" observed in east europe after the fall of ussr). The privatization is the only thing that distinguish moussavi to the populist conservatist and laic ahmadinejad: on the nuclear question or the zionist occupation of palestine, they share a common position.

    Nothing prove this election was stolen and the "arguments" (statistical like the ethnical one... only traduce a total ignorance and deep misunderstanding of iranian politics) have already been refuted.
    http://hughoconnell.com/2009/06/18/a-stole...eres-the-proof/
    http://newsweek.washingtonpost.com/postglo...ion_stolen.html
    http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2009/06/sta...-not-prove.html
    http://www.tomstechblog.com/post/Facts-on-...In-General.aspx
    http://www.counterpunch.org/2010/06/14/ira...one-year-later/

    Evene mc Cain's think tank, terror free tomorrow, published shortly before the election a study predicting the result with a very good acuracy.
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/conte...9061401757.html
    The democracy consist to hear the people voice even when we don't like it, like when the hamas won the election in the west bank, and certainly not to choose "what is good" for them.
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/20...ranian-election

    I encourage everyone who disagree with these facts to answer this guy and ask for the money: http://www.justforeignpolicy.org/node/239

    D-The myth of a secret iranian military nuclear program


    The perpetual "concern" with none or a biased argument to promote the warmonger's wish... a variant of saddam's WMD.
    Hopefully for the US, the National Intelligence Estimate (NIE) publish a report by the end of 2007 stating that there was no evidence of any nuclear program at the mid 2007.
    www.dni.gov/press_releases/20071203_release.pdf

    Less known, iran have signed the protocol of non-proliferation, works with IEAA who monitorite the civil nuclear site (cameras, audit, inspections...). IAEA have sometimes criticized the iranian attitude, but recognize the effort done... effort israel never obteined from the nuclear power, israel.

    "Director General of the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) Mohamed ElBaradei said Sunday that "Israel is number one threat to Middle East" with its nuclear arms, the official IRNA news agency reported."
    http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2009-10/...nt_12181647.htm

    Israel secretly collaborated with south africa, france and china to obtein a nuclear arsennal against the the kennedy administration. The clash with JFK forced ben gurion to resign from his prime minister fonction. They developed "the samsson option", well described by the pullitzer awarded seymour hersh, threatening their arabs neigbours, like in 1973, and even western friends. The wistleblower Mordechai Vanunu paid with his freedom the revelation of these weapons of mass destruction.

    "We possess several hundred atomic warheads and rockets and can launch them at targets in all directions, perhaps even at Rome. Most European capitals are targets for our air force. Let me quote General Moshe Dayan: 'Israel must be like a mad dog, too dangerous to bother.' I consider it all hopeless at this point. We shall have to try to prevent things from coming to that, if at all possible. Our armed forces, however, are not the thirtieth strongest in the world, but rather the second or third. We have the capability to take the world down with us. And I can assure you that that will happen before Israel goes under."
    Van Creveld was quoted in David Hirst's "The Gun and the Olive Branch" (2003)
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2003/sep/2...ns.bookextracts

    "Wildcard. Ruthless and cunning. Has capability to target U.S. forces and make it look like a Palestinian/Arab act." (SAMS officers talking about thje mossad)
    Cited by by Rowan Scarborough in The Washington Times September 10, 2001

    E-The actual article is a simple repetition of the accusation based on distorted facts like the site of qom, wich construction was communicate to IAEA by the iranian but was presented by obama, sarkozy etc, like a violation a the non-proliferation treaty, a hidden secret.
    Concerning qom:
    http://www.iaea.org/Publications/Documents.../infcirc797.pdf
    Last report:
    http://www.iaea.org/Publications/Documents.../gov2011-29.pdf
    Iran answer
    http://www.iaea.org/Publications/Documents.../infcirc823.pdf

    "IAEA urges Israel to allow nuclear inspection "
    http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3778884,00.html

    "Report: IAEA to discuss Israel's nuclear activities for first time
    Israeli nuclear capabilities are on the provisional agenda for the International Atomic Energy Agency's June 7 meeting."
    http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defe...t-time-1.288981
     
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    <!--quoteo(post=3878140:date=Sep 9 2011, 05:37 PM:name=Zobidick)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Zobidick @ Sep 9 2011, 05:37 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=3878140"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->(sorry for the mistakes <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/bow.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":bow:" border="0" alt="bow.gif" /> ... I'm french)

    It's another piece of <b>neocon's propaganda</b> against a government who have tried, since 2005, to sell his oil in another currency than the US petrodollar.
    It's not the first one:
    <!--sizeo:3--><span style="font-size:12pt;line-height:100%"><!--/sizeo-->
    A-<u>Myth of iranian threats</u>:<!--sizec--></span><!--/sizec-->

    "TEHRAN — Iran's conservative new president, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, said Wednesdaythat Israel must be "wiped off the map" and that attacks by Palestinians would destroy it, the ISNA press agency reported."
    <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2005/10/26/world/africa/26iht-iran.html" target="_blank">http://www.nytimes.com/2005/10/26/world/af...26iht-iran.html</a>

    Totally<b> fake traduction</b> out of context to push the idea of a radicalization of the official iranian position. Iranian islamic republic's position never change, they ask for the end of ethnic and religious segregation and the politic of discrimination against the historical (not mythical) inhabitants of the land expelled in 1948 in the terror plan (destruction of villages), the daleth plan. It's a political stance, not an humanitarian position. They don't care of the palestinians refugees but they use this patent injustice, like the turkey of erdogan, to communicate and seduce the public opinion of the maghreb and the mashreq.

    <!--sizeo:3--><span style="font-size:12pt;line-height:100%"><!--/sizeo-->B-<u>The myth of the nazi badge imposed to iranian jews</u>:<!--sizec--></span><!--/sizec-->

    The story of a <b>yellow insignia</b> for the iranian jewish population manufactured by the monarchist amir taheri (who regret the dictatorial pro-western regime of the last shah and his bloody savak...)
    <a href="http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3252934,00.html" target="_blank">http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3252934,00.html</a>
    <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_Iranian_sumptuary_law_controversy" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_Iranian_...law_controversy</a>
    <a href="http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/news/story.html?id=6626a0fa-99de-4f1e-aebe-bb91af82abb3" target="_blank">http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/news/st...be-bb91af82abb3</a>
    <a href="http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/news/story.html?id=6df3e493-f350-4b53-bc16-53262b49a4f7" target="_blank">http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/news/st...16-53262b49a4f7</a>

    <!--sizeo:3--><span style="font-size:12pt;line-height:100%"><!--/sizeo-->C-<u>Myth of the stolen election of 2009</u>:<!--sizec--></span><!--/sizec-->

    <a href="http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article6510663.ece?token=null&offset=0&page=1" target="_blank">http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/worl...et=0&page=1</a>
    or
    <a href="http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/06/13/landslide-or-fraud-the-debate-online-over-irans-election-results/" target="_blank">http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/06/1...ection-results/</a>

    This allegation is only based on the accusation of the looser, moussavi , the religious cleric who accept the <b>privatization of the iranian economy</b> (oil, media, health, intellectual property...) backed by rasfanjani, the "mullah milliardaire", instrumentalizing students movements (the classic scheme of "color revolution" observed in east europe after the fall of ussr). The privatization is the only thing that distinguish moussavi to the populist conservatist and laic ahmadinejad: on the nuclear question or the zionist occupation of palestine, they share a common position.

    Nothing prove this election was stolen and the "arguments" (statistical like the ethnical one... only traduce a total ignorance and deep misunderstanding of iranian politics) have already been refuted.
    <a href="http://hughoconnell.com/2009/06/18/a-stolen-election-but-wheres-the-proof/" target="_blank">http://hughoconnell.com/2009/06/18/a-stole...eres-the-proof/</a>
    <a href="http://newsweek.washingtonpost.com/postglobal/needtoknow/2009/06/was_irans_election_stolen.html" target="_blank">http://newsweek.washingtonpost.com/postglo...ion_stolen.html</a>
    <a href="http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2009/06/statistical-evidence-does-not-prove.html" target="_blank">http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2009/06/sta...-not-prove.html</a>
    <a href="http://www.tomstechblog.com/post/Facts-on-Iran-Twitter-CNN-and-The-Tech-Community-In-General.aspx" target="_blank">http://www.tomstechblog.com/post/Facts-on-...In-General.aspx</a>
    <a href="http://www.counterpunch.org/2010/06/14/iran-s-presidential-election-one-year-later/" target="_blank">http://www.counterpunch.org/2010/06/14/ira...one-year-later/</a>

    Evene mc Cain's think tank, terror free tomorrow, published shortly before the election a study predicting the result with a very good acuracy.
    <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/06/14/AR2009061401757.html" target="_blank">http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/conte...9061401757.html</a>
    The democracy consist to hear the people voice even when we don't like it, like when the hamas won the election in the west bank, and certainly not to choose "what is good" for them.
    <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/jun/13/iranian-election" target="_blank">http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/20...ranian-election</a>

    I encourage everyone who disagree with these facts to answer this guy and ask for the money: <a href="http://www.justforeignpolicy.org/node/239" target="_blank">http://www.justforeignpolicy.org/node/239</a>

    <!--sizeo:3--><span style="font-size:12pt;line-height:100%"><!--/sizeo-->D-<u>The myth of a secret iranian military nuclear program</u><!--sizec--></span><!--/sizec-->

    The perpetual "concern" with none or a biased argument to promote the warmonger's wish... a variant of saddam's WMD.
    Hopefully for the US, the National Intelligence Estimate (NIE) publish a report by the end of 2007 stating that there was no evidence of any nuclear program at the mid 2007.
    www.dni.gov/press_releases/20071203_release.pdf

    Less known, iran have signed the protocol of non-proliferation, works with IEAA who monitorite the civil nuclear site (cameras, audit, inspections...). IAEA have sometimes criticized the iranian attitude, but recognize the effort done... effort israel never obteined from the nuclear power, israel.

    "Director General of the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) Mohamed ElBaradei said Sunday that "Israel is number one threat to Middle East" with its nuclear arms, the official IRNA news agency reported."
    <a href="http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2009-10/04/content_12181647.htm" target="_blank">http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2009-10/...nt_12181647.htm</a>

    Israel secretly collaborated with south africa, france and china to obtein a nuclear arsennal against the the kennedy administration. The clash with JFK forced ben gurion to resign from his prime minister fonction. They developed "the samsson option", well described by the pullitzer awarded seymour hersh, threatening their arabs neigbours, like in 1973, and even western friends. The wistleblower Mordechai Vanunu paid with his freedom the revelation of these weapons of mass destruction.

    "We possess several hundred atomic warheads and rockets and can launch them at targets in all directions, perhaps even at Rome. Most European capitals are targets for our air force. Let me quote General Moshe Dayan: 'Israel must be like a mad dog, too dangerous to bother.' I consider it all hopeless at this point. We shall have to try to prevent things from coming to that, if at all possible. Our armed forces, however, are not the thirtieth strongest in the world, but rather the second or third. We have the capability to take the world down with us. And I can assure you that that will happen before Israel goes under."
    Van Creveld was quoted in David Hirst's "The Gun and the Olive Branch" (2003)
    <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2003/sep/21/israelandthepalestinians.bookextracts" target="_blank">http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2003/sep/2...ns.bookextracts</a>

    "Wildcard. Ruthless and cunning. Has capability to target U.S. forces and make it look like a Palestinian/Arab act." (SAMS officers talking about thje mossad)
    Cited by by Rowan Scarborough in The Washington Times September 10, 2001

    E-The actual article is a simple repetition of the accusation based on distorted facts like the site of qom, wich construction was communicate to IAEA by the iranian but was presented by obama, sarkozy etc, like a violation a the non-proliferation treaty, a hidden secret.
    Concerning qom:
    <a href="http://www.iaea.org/Publications/Documents/Infcircs/2010/infcirc797.pdf" target="_blank">http://www.iaea.org/Publications/Documents.../infcirc797.pdf</a>
    Last report:
    <a href="http://www.iaea.org/Publications/Documents/Board/2011/gov2011-29.pdf" target="_blank">http://www.iaea.org/Publications/Documents.../gov2011-29.pdf</a>
    Iran answer
    <a href="http://www.iaea.org/Publications/Documents/Infcircs/2011/infcirc823.pdf" target="_blank">http://www.iaea.org/Publications/Documents.../infcirc823.pdf</a>

    "IAEA urges Israel to allow nuclear inspection "
    <a href="http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3778884,00.html" target="_blank">http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3778884,00.html</a>

    "Report: IAEA to discuss Israel's nuclear activities for first time
    Israeli nuclear capabilities are on the provisional agenda for the International Atomic Energy Agency's June 7 meeting."
    <a href="http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/report-iaea-to-discuss-israel-s-nuclear-activities-for-first-time-1.288981" target="_blank">http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defe...t-time-1.288981</a><!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    wow, that sure is a book of information <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/ohmy.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":O" border="0" alt="ohmy.gif" />
     

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