Excatly, as I said before
They need to reel it back in
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The thing is Wii U had some great titles to
I gotta disagree with Dinoh and you
Has Nintendo lost it's charm?
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They need to reel it back in
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I gotta disagree with Dinoh and you
For now, I'm confident that BOTW2 release will determine if they're still able to make a crack in the gaming landscape. Metroid 5 isn't being made by Nintendo themselves, so I don't think it's fair to label it as what's Nintendo capable of.
I won't say that's gonna determine it fully but don't get me wrong, its gonna be an important factor
However they have to remember other games need the same beauty as others
That's the thing though, Zelda is one of the highest budget franchises Nintendo currently has, the other ones being Mario, Super Smash Bros and Pokemon (Actually belongs to GF and The Pokemon Company, so I can't really judge them with this). You could say Animal Crossing counts as "high budget" as well, but it doesn't really looks like one.
If in some alternate universe one of these franchises didn't lived up to expectations, this is where we'll be worried, the rest of them will get better or worse over time.
Well if we look at it in a more statistical and marketing view, Zelda has become less popular over the last decade.
Only the SUPER fans are going pay attention to every little detail in BOTW2.
What about an average gamer
They would want a good that's fun, addicting, heartwarming, etc
However, the exterme Nintendo fans are gonna buy every Zelda game and they're gonna be the most judgemental
In that case, Mario should be the golden standard to judge them in an accurate manner. After all, MK8 Deluxe is still the highest selling game in Switch, and Odyssey was extremely well received at release, while also pulling some big numbers. Now, about Mario spinoffs...
Geez, they're being handled really badly these days, with some infamous names like Camelot and Intelligent Systems... Let alone M&L sudden death, and there's still no sequel in sight.
CoolMe said:
"I agree, some series like the Mario & Luigi, DK, Mario vs. DK games are all missing this Gen and not on the Switch.. Well for the M&L games, AlphaDream soon went bankrupt so no more of that i guess."
@WiiMiiSwitch You disagree with me about what exactly?
"I agree, some series like the Mario & Luigi, DK, Mario vs. DK games are all missing this Gen and not on the Switch.. Well for the M&L games, AlphaDream soon went bankrupt so no more of that i guess."
@WiiMiiSwitch You disagree with me about what exactly?
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Ah, well.. As far as 1st party stuff the WiiU is pretty light, and those series i mentioned above are not on the Switch, apart from ports like Tropical Freeze.
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I sense Iwata was the secret pixie duster and the company really lost its magic ever since he passed away.
First party titles don't seem as polished and there's way too much cash grabbing with crap mobile apps, junk Lego sets, and rushed licensed merchandising (now sold everywhere).
My kids love Mario and I'm always on the look out for cool toys etc, but damn, all I see is junk...
First party titles don't seem as polished and there's way too much cash grabbing with crap mobile apps, junk Lego sets, and rushed licensed merchandising (now sold everywhere).
My kids love Mario and I'm always on the look out for cool toys etc, but damn, all I see is junk...
Nintendo are/were bitter the Wii U flopped and their market share eroded. As they should be because it was an awesome platform that the plebs didn't get. The dumb name didn't help because it would've sold like crazy if they just called it the Wii HD and based the marketing campaign on it being an iterative upgrade with its own platform exclusives and full BC.
As a consequence they did the bare minimum with the Switch aside from fill it full of ports from the Wii U as a subtle "told you so" and to recoup.
The lack of Iwata is also very obvious because, like Yamauchi before him, he had a clear vision that drove the company whereas now its a lot more risk averse and feels like its being ran by committee with its eye firmly on the bottom line and doing the bare minimum it needs to hit targets. Remember the "with only one platform to focus on we can double our first party output" and how it smelled just like "No, DS isn't going to replace the GBA. Its a third pillar" PR speak to mask what was obvious.
Still make some of the best games out there though but the sheen relies on nostalgia, strong IPs and more on what it was than what it is.
Also the build quality of the OG Switch was absolutely atrocious with cheap plastics and way below their usual tank like standards (esp coming from Wii U/new 3DS levels of quality hardware) and showed the cost cutting. Not to mention the fact it was just a rebranded Nvidia Shield instead of custom hardware, that showed you the shift in direction of the company and this is the way its headed it seems because... "it prints money".
As a consequence they did the bare minimum with the Switch aside from fill it full of ports from the Wii U as a subtle "told you so" and to recoup.
The lack of Iwata is also very obvious because, like Yamauchi before him, he had a clear vision that drove the company whereas now its a lot more risk averse and feels like its being ran by committee with its eye firmly on the bottom line and doing the bare minimum it needs to hit targets. Remember the "with only one platform to focus on we can double our first party output" and how it smelled just like "No, DS isn't going to replace the GBA. Its a third pillar" PR speak to mask what was obvious.
Still make some of the best games out there though but the sheen relies on nostalgia, strong IPs and more on what it was than what it is.
Also the build quality of the OG Switch was absolutely atrocious with cheap plastics and way below their usual tank like standards (esp coming from Wii U/new 3DS levels of quality hardware) and showed the cost cutting. Not to mention the fact it was just a rebranded Nvidia Shield instead of custom hardware, that showed you the shift in direction of the company and this is the way its headed it seems because... "it prints money".
I feel like they really gave a great effort in the Switch's first year because of the Wii U failing, but it feels like because of the overwhelming success they have achieved, they have kinda been slacking off since then. I hope that before the Switch dies out they put some quality stuff on it but we'll see.
Depends.
I think their games are still some of the best in the industry, but maybe it's because I'm older here but the more and more I see Nintendo I start to notice shady and anti-consumer practices,
(IE, cancelling fan games, being extremely hostile to E-Sports, (Melee is a great example of this)).
Overall I believe that Nintendo has great games, good artists & developers, dog shit "business practices" and shitty execs.
That's why I believe that while it's fine to completely like and praise something, it's also good to call out it's shortcomings and criticism.
Greatest thing that we as consumers are guilty of is brand loyalty and enabling dog shit practices within any industry, that's why we shouldn't praise any company 100% completely.
I think their games are still some of the best in the industry, but maybe it's because I'm older here but the more and more I see Nintendo I start to notice shady and anti-consumer practices,
(IE, cancelling fan games, being extremely hostile to E-Sports, (Melee is a great example of this)).
Overall I believe that Nintendo has great games, good artists & developers, dog shit "business practices" and shitty execs.
That's why I believe that while it's fine to completely like and praise something, it's also good to call out it's shortcomings and criticism.
Greatest thing that we as consumers are guilty of is brand loyalty and enabling dog shit practices within any industry, that's why we shouldn't praise any company 100% completely.
Yea, people seem to forget that they don't owe corporations anything and paying them is enough.
Feeling like as though it's a corporation that makes good products is one thing, blindly being loyal to everything about the corporations and the products without calling it's shortcomings is another thing entirely and is unhealthy.
I'd say not completely, but the charm has definitely begun to wane some time ago. There's still some quality stuff coming from Nintendo of course.
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