Ground Zero Mosque. Yes or No?

[Overlord Nadrian]

I say no.

i'd have to say no.QUOTE(AsPika2219 @ Aug 24 2010, 04:39 AM)

I vote NO!

Ugh, even more people that just base their opinion off of lies. Read the topic for fuck's sake, then finally we can have a debate going on, but nothing's going to happen if you don't say any good argument. What you're doing now is just being plain ignorant.

 

[Bri]

Jon Stewart's take on things.

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/thu-augu...omeland-edition

-Bri

 

[monkat]

Out of interest, how far away from Claudy should there be a ban on Catholic Churches?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-11064647

Five miles at least.

 

[luckwii]

Very interesting. Christianity has all but been banned publicly in the U.S, but somehow the mosque needs some type of special consideration.

I for one believe in the constitutional right of the idea, but this Imam is using this as a strategic political/militant victory.

I can understand the people here in support of this in a constitutional sense, I totally agree. But those that support this as some sort of cultural outreach on one hand, and yet you slap down Christianity on the other, I will have to give a respectful "shame on you".

Pandering to terrorists will only make things worse. They are not going to be your buddy, give up. This was the same type of nonsense that allowed Europe to be conquered in WWII, and other civilizations of the past ended up with the same. If you do not learn from history, you are doomed to repeat it.

I do not think the U.S. government should stop the mosque from being built. Again, it is their right to practice their religion. But it is our right as U.S. citizens to protest, and to peacefully attempt to stop it from being built.

 

[BlueStar]

Very interesting. Christianity has all but been banned publicly in the U.S,

Oh puh-leez.

but somehow the mosque needs some type of special consideration.

OK, we've established it's not a "Ground Zero Mosque" but the continued use of weasle words is basically an admission that people can't argue against what it ACTUALLY is, so go on, I'll humour you. What 'special consideration' is this centre getting? Any other centre, funded by private citizens, on private land would have been allowed to go ahead no problem whatsoever. You know, land of the free, the free market, freedom from government interference. A Christian-based centre with a basketball court and what have you would have no problems in spite of your assertion that you're practically being fed to the lions over there

But there's a real possibility that this centre will be blocked from being built. So I guess you're right, this pretendy scary ooga-booga brown people terror mosque is getting special consideration, just not in the direction you imply.

I can understand the people here in support of this in a constitutional sense, I totally agree. But those that support this as some sort of cultural outreach on one hand, and yet you slap down Christianity on the other, I will have to give a respectful "shame on you".

No-one is 'slapping down' Christianity, give your whiney little politically correct victim complex a rest.

QUOTEPandering to terrorists

Wait, the people who want to open a community centre are terrorists now?


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will only make things worse. They are not going to be your buddy, give up. This was the same type of nonsense that allowed Europe to be conquered in WWII, and other civilizations of the past ended up with the same. If you do not learn from history, you are doomed to repeat it.

What led to world war two was people allowing themselves to get caught up in to a hate-filled jingoistic rage and scapegoating against what people wanted to portray as assorted dangerous minorities, exactly what you're doing here. First they've come for the Muslims, and you're not speaking out because you're not a Muslim.

 

[Overlord Nadrian]

But it is our right as U.S. citizens to peacefully attempt to stop it from being built.

Yeah right.

 

[Bri]

But it is our right as U.S. citizens to protest, and to peacefully attempt to stop it from being built.

Sure, but don't you think that you should have at least some rational argument for wanting to do so?

-Bri

 

[BlueStar]

Don't you see, they just have to do it, it's their right, nay, their duty to try and do everything they can to stop American citizens opening a community centre on their own private property because they're the wrong religion.

 

[Overlord Nadrian]

Hey guys, I was thinking on building a playground for our kids just 'round the corner, what do you think? Is it a good idea or not?

I'm muslim, would that make any difference? Yeah? Aww...

 

[Bri]

Hey guys, I was thinking on building a playground for our kids just 'round the corner, what do you think? Is it a good idea or not?

I'm muslim, would that make any difference? Yeah? Aww...

As long as you're not Catholic. We know how Catholics can't keep their hands off children.

-Bri

 

[Slyakin]

Hey guys, I was thinking on building a playground for our kids just 'round the corner, what do you think? Is it a good idea or not?

I'm muslim, would that make any difference? Yeah? Aww...

As long as you're not Catholic. We know how Catholics can't keep their hands off children.

-Bri

Uh huh.

I love how there are so many rational people taking an unbiased stand here. No doubt many of you are athiest, but you guys still stand up for religion.

It makes me proud.

 

[Overlord Nadrian]

To be honest I'd rather get rid of every religion because they are one of the main causes of death and destruction (combined with a human's killer instinct, of course).

I just 'support' the muslims here because they have all right to do what they want to do, and any arguments to the contrary are irrational.

 

[Bri]

To be honest I'd rather get rid of every religion because they are the main cause of death and destruction (combined with a human's killer instinct, of course).

I suspect that in the absence of religion, human beings will find other justifications for their bad behavior.

-Bri

 

[Overlord Nadrian]

Sure, but as for now it's pretty easy to blame everything on religion. A bunch of not-so-good stuff happened 'because God wanted it'. Like the crusades, etc. It'd be hard to justify the killings of thousands of innocents in name of anything other than God/religion.

 

[Magmorph]

I love how there are so many rational people taking an unbiased stand here. No doubt many of you are athiest, but you guys still stand up for religion.

It makes me proud.

If someone doesn't stand up for the oppressed then the oppression will continue and can easily spread.

 

[_Chaz_]

I love how there are so many rational people taking an unbiased stand here. No doubt many of you are athiest, but you guys still stand up for religion.

It makes me proud.

If someone doesn't stand up for the oppressed then the oppression will continue and can easily spread.

"THEY CAME FIRST for the Communists,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist.

THEN THEY CAME for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist.

THEN THEY CAME for the Jews,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew.

THEN THEY CAME for me
and by that time no one was left to speak up."

~Pastor Martin Niemöller

 

[Blood Fetish]

Please, for most people in the US "freedom" means freedom for what they agree with.

 

[Bri]

Sure, but as for now it's pretty easy to blame everything on religion. A bunch of not-so-good stuff happened 'because God wanted it'. Like the crusades, etc. It'd be hard to justify the killings of thousands of innocents in name of anything other than God/religion.

The Nazis killed millions of innocent people, and it wasn't a particularly religious movement. Unfortunately, the Nazis are just one example of ethnic cleansing. There are plenty of differences other than religion that people can exploit in order to justify their actions.

-Bri

 

[Overlord Nadrian]

They killed jews.

 

[_Chaz_]

They killed jews.

This is true.