Germany, a Paradise for slackers ?

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Hey there,
I am slightly pissed again as I just read that here in Germany the "Hartz4" money will be highered again and I really feel like its not worth to Work anymore ... would like to know what you think about it.

Imagine, when you life in Germany and do not work you get :
A flat
a complete inventory for their flat (like kitchen if not already there and a TV and everything nowadays even a computer is included ... at least they pay it if you tell them your kid needs it for school ...)
free Healthcare
A cheap ticket for busses
Lots of places offer cheap second hand clothes (sometimes even free) for jobless that get Hartz4
cheap food (lots of places where jobless people can get a whole lot of food for a symbolic 1€)
400€ cash (if its a familiy both get ~380€ each plus money ~180?€ for each kid)

All of this for doing nothing at all ....

Than look at me, I have to get up at 6am 5 days a week and work 8 hours, what do I get ?
1400€ from which I have to pay 500€ for the flat, remaining 900€
~300€ for food and water remaining about 600€
50€ for Internet still remaining 550€
Than I need proper clothes for work some times ~50€ a month plus a bus ticket or a car or whatever to get to work (well I walk or take the bycicle so for me its okay but most have to pay lots of money for this)

from this I still need to pay any extra in health care and I had to buy my stuff at home from my own money,
had to pay ~4000€ when I moved for my new job (for kitchen and everything)




I have to admit some of the free or cheap offers for jobless are not everywhere but at most places and you would have to go there and use these offers (some people who really want to work and just don't get work might be to ashamed to use these) but if you look at what I have written (and my sallary is not the worst) it is hardly worth going working for 8 hours a day :(
And now they are giving out even more free cash even though its only ~10€ a month it still makes me angry.
One of my "good" friends is such a slacker, he and his wife didn't work for years (he is only 30) and they could have a proper life from all the money even though he was allways like "aww man its not enough money they should give us more" ... than again he never bough at these places that give clothes and food for 1€ as they had enough money for new stuff. Plus allways buying new Computer Games and doing nothing than gaming all day long.

No wonder so many foreigners from Poor Countries want to migrate here :/
 

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All of this for doing nothing at all ....

You have to be actively seeking work or need to be checked by a government doctor if you are too sick you can't work. You can't just laze around, that's a myth. If you don't comply to the rules you'll get your funding cut very quickly and you'll find yourself either in jail or homeless.

The problem isn't that social funding is slightly increased but that jobs still pay incredibly low wages when all expenses in life continuously increased. Complaining about people who need the social funding or foreigners seeking a better life...you're really barking up the wrong tree. You're complaining about the people trying to survive just like you. Instead you should be complaining about the people who cause this mess. Bribed politicians and company execs.
 

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You have to be actively seeking work or need to be checked by a government doctor if you are too sick you can't work. You can't just laze around, that's a myth. If you don't comply to the rules you'll get your funding cut very quickly and you'll find yourself either in jail or homeless.

It's hard to know if the person in question is sick or not. You can probably fake a mental illness and enjoy the advantages of hartz IV money.

Not to mention people who do this can actively work illegally jobs without paying tax.
 

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Hey there,
I am slightly pissed again as I just read that here in Germany the "Hartz4" money will be highered again and I really feel like its not worth to Work anymore ... would like to know what you think about it.

Imagine, when you life in Germany and do not work you get :
A flat
a complete inventory for their flat (like kitchen if not already there and a TV and everything nowadays even a computer is included ... at least they pay it if you tell them your kid needs it for school ...)
free Healthcare
A cheap ticket for busses
Lots of places offer cheap second hand clothes (sometimes even free) for jobless that get Hartz4
cheap food (lots of places where jobless people can get a whole lot of food for a symbolic 1€)
400€ cash (if its a familiy both get ~380€ each plus money ~180?€ for each kid)

All of this for doing nothing at all ....

Than look at me, I have to get up at 6am 5 days a week and work 8 hours, what do I get ?
1400€ from which I have to pay 500€ for the flat, remaining 900€
~300€ for food and water remaining about 600€
50€ for Internet still remaining 550€
Than I need proper clothes for work some times ~50€ a month plus a bus ticket or a car or whatever to get to work (well I walk or take the bycicle so for me its okay but most have to pay lots of money for this)

from this I still need to pay any extra in health care and I had to buy my stuff at home from my own money,
had to pay ~4000€ when I moved for my new job (for kitchen and everything)




I have to admit some of the free or cheap offers for jobless are not everywhere but at most places and you would have to go there and use these offers (some people who really want to work and just don't get work might be to ashamed to use these) but if you look at what I have written (and my sallary is not the worst) it is hardly worth going working for 8 hours a day :(
And now they are giving out even more free cash even though its only ~10€ a month it still makes me angry.
One of my "good" friends is such a slacker, he and his wife didn't work for years (he is only 30) and they could have a proper life from all the money even though he was allways like "aww man its not enough money they should give us more" ... than again he never bough at these places that give clothes and food for 1€ as they had enough money for new stuff. Plus allways buying new Computer Games and doing nothing than gaming all day long.

No wonder so many foreigners from Poor Countries want to migrate here :/
That's because Americans are slaves for Israel. Maybe you should start questioning why it is that your government spends trillions upon trillions of tax dollars on protecting Israel in the Middle East??? Meanwhile, American infrastructure, healthcare, education, etc is falling apart. Most wealthy western countries that are not slaves and mercenary armies for Israel, take care of their citizens as is the case with Germany. You should see how easy life is in Australia. I lived there for a year and someone who is packing groceries at the grocery store can afford a home, a car, vacation time, healthcare, education, etc.. Most of the western world has pity for Americans for being brainwashed slaves for a foreign cause. Until America breaks away from the money pit, and slave masters called Israel, you will continue to see your standard of living go down the drain, and for life to get harder and harder. It's that simple.
 
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I get you man.

I know people, living near me, doing the same.
They don't work, living off social assistance.
They make just as much money as I do, from working full time, and yet, they don't need to get out of their home at all.

It's incredibly frustrating.
 
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That's because Americans are slaves for Israel. Maybe you should start questioning why it is that your government spends trillions upon trillions of tax dollars on protecting Israel in the Middle East??? Meanwhile, American infrastructure, healthcare, education, etc is falling apart. Most wealthy western countries that are not slaves and mercenary armies for Israel, take care of their citizens as is the case with Germany. You should see how easy life is in Australia. I lived there for a year and someone who is packing groceries at the grocery store can afford a home, a car, vacation time, healthcare, education, etc.. Most of the western world has pity for Americans for being brainwashed slaves for a foreign cause. Until America breaks away from the money pit, and slave masters called Israel, you will continue to see your standard of living go down the drain, and for life to get harder and harder. It's that simple.

oO sorry to be rude but this sounds a little bit like those people who still say the earth is flat and that the round earth is just brainwashing XD

I can admit there is often at least a tiny little bit truth about some stuff like this ... America and Europe spending way to much money that they don't have in the middle east and so on but yeah ... talking about beeing their slaves is overexaggerating


You have to be actively seeking work or need to be checked by a government doctor if you are too sick you can't work. You can't just laze around, that's a myth. If you don't comply to the rules you'll get your funding cut very quickly and you'll find yourself either in jail or homeless.

The problem isn't that social funding is slightly increased but that jobs still pay incredibly low wages when all expenses in life continuously increased. Complaining about people who need the social funding or foreigners seeking a better life...you're really barking up the wrong tree. You're complaining about the people trying to survive just like you. Instead you should be complaining about the people who cause this mess. Bribed politicians and company execs.

Don't know where you got that from but as I have been jobless a few month as well (never got Hartz4 because it only starts after 12 month or if you never worked before) and the Job Center only wanted me to give them some kind of report every month but thats it they did not even controll it I could just give them a paper saying that I tried my best at getting a Job and they would have been okay with this ...
Or really go to a doctor and tell him that I can't work ... lots of doctors don't even examine you they just ask "how long" and thats it -.-V
 
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oO sorry to be rude but this sounds a little bit like those people who still say the earth is flat and that the round earth is just brainwashing XD
Yeah, just read the rest of your post, and saw that you are in Germany. I was writing from an American perspective. An American who is fed up with the wealth of the nation being squandered on foreign affairs. As far as Germany is concerned, your people may not be spending trillions for Israel's sake, but losing your cultural identity post WWII, and opening your borders to the world is definitely a path to ruin as well. There are only a single people in the world that are true "internationalists" and pushing to culturally dilute just about every country out their, except for their own country of Israel, with a motive to weaken your conviction against their agendas, and ultimately render the people clueless. As is obviously the case with you;).
 
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oO sorry to be rude but this sounds a little bit like those people who still say the earth is flat and that the round earth is just brainwashing XD

I can admit there is often at least a tiny little bit truth about some stuff like this ... America and Europe spending way to much money that they don't have in the middle east and so on but yeah ... talking about beeing their slaves is overexaggerating




Don't know where you got that from but as I have been jobless a few month as well (never got Hartz4 because it only starts after 12 month or if you never worked before) and the Job Center only wanted me to give them some kind of report every month but thats it they did not even controll it I could just give them a paper saying that I tried my best at getting a Job and they would have been okay with this ...
Or really go to a doctor and tell him that I can't work ... lots of doctors don't even examine you they just ask "how long" and thats it -.-V
So if you never qualified for it, how can you know what you're saying?
 

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Simple solution: Get a better job. :D
1.500 € per month is pretty low. When I started I literally got more than that already. But I guess not everyone can "easily" go higher than that.

Also yes, it's a paradise for slackers by at least looking at all the economic immigrants/refugees these days. ;)
 
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Yeah, just read the rest of your post, and saw that you are in Germany. I was writing from an American perspective. An American who is fed up with the wealth of the nation being squandered on foreign affairs. As far as Germany is concerned, your people may not be spending trillions for Israel's sake, but losing your cultural identity post WWII, and opening your borders to the world is definitely a path to ruin as well. There are only a single people in the world that are true "internationalists" and pushing to culturally dilute just about every country out their with a motive to weaken your conviction against their agendas, and ultimately render the people clueless. As is obviously the case with you;).
First of all, we're not supporting Isreal, we're supporting our oil and opiates. Secondly, the culture of America is a diversity of all nations. Not just those decended from white Europeans.
 

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First of all, we're not supporting Isreal, we're supporting our oil and opiates. Secondly, the culture of America is a diversity of all nations. Not just those decended from white Europeans.
Were supporting our oil?? Last time I checked, America only gets about 12% of it's oil from the middle east. Most of our oil comes from Canada, Mexico, Venezuela, etc.. Why isn't America invading, and spending trillions on those countries? You should look into it so you can better understand how, and why, the world works the way that it does;). The "foreign oil dependency" lie is just another lie for Americans to justify Americas involvement in the Middle East for Isreal's agendas in the region. America does what Israel wants, or you suffer economic ruin. Every politician in Washington knows this. This is also how "Israel" has been conquering nations for the past 3000 years. Never by brute force since they are a small minority. But rather by hijacking the economies of nations, in which case you can coerce, and extort those nations to work for you;).
 
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Were supporting our oil?? Last time I checked, America only gets about 12% of it's oil from the middle east. Most of our oil comes from Canada, Mexico, Venezuela, etc.. Why isn't America invading, and spending trillions on those countries? You should look into it so you can better understand how, and why, the world works the way that it does;).
..and opiates. You don't think the US would invade a war torn group of impoverished countries for a 10% increase in oil? You know why we don't invade Canada and mexico? Because they sell us their oil. We have trade. The middle east is what happens when countries don't comply. You're the niave one if you think we're spending trillions just to help Isreal for no fucking reason.

And as far as open borders, who's to say who is an immigrant? Are us citizens the ones that made it in by 1819? 1787? Were all immigrants. How do you have closed borders and patriotism in a country that's supposed to be a melting pot.
 

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I have a friend (ex-friend really) who haven't worked more than a month their whole life and claims that their illness is preventing them from working. Their illness is mostly digestion related and very easily managed by eating the right food and completely avoiding some food all together. They would often use this for not eating out with us if we went to eat somewhere nice, however seemed to really like horrible cheap food that made them ill. Always complained about having no money, yet would always seem to be able to afford expensive equipment that related to their hobbies. All the while, would switch between unemployment and sickness based benefits every X amount of months, no doubt because each of them told them they had to get a job.
People like that give genuine claimants a really bad name.
 
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..and opiates. You don't think the US would invade a war torn group of impoverished countries for a 10% increase in oil? You know why we don't invade Canada and mexico? Because they sell us their oil. We have trade. The middle east is what happens when countries don't comply. You're the niave one if you think we're spending trillions just to help Isreal for no fucking reason.

And as far as open borders, who's to say who is an immigrant? Are us citizens the ones that made it in by 1819? 1787? Were all immigrants. How do you have closed borders and patriotism in a country that's supposed to be a melting pot.
Strange... Saudi Arabia, United Arab Emerites, and Iran are the 3 largest oil producers in the Middle East. Again, last time I checked, those aren't war torn countries. Iran is America's enemy simply because it's Israel's enemy. All the 9/11 hijackers were from Saudi Arabia, not Iraq, or Afghanistan. But we didn't invade Saudia Arabia did we. No, we Invaded Iraq and Saddam who sent scud missiles to Israel 10 years prior. Needless to say, Iraq was always on Israel's mind, and one of her primary enemies with Iran.. The trillions that America spends in that region is not for resources. It's to protect Israel from it's enemies, and ultimately to nation build around Israel so that the threat against her is neutralized. You really do have a lot to learn about that region, and it's history. The oil and opiate argument is for dumb people to believe, which works since most Americans spend their time with endless streams of entertainment (video games, movies, music, facebook, etc) instead of reading books and thinking past their own noses. Oh, and Afghanistan is a huge interest for Israel as it just so happens to be the country that sits inbetween Israel and Iran. Think Mcfly.. Think...
 
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Why is that a bad thing ? It's almost everywhere in Europe like that ! Less debt then other first world nations, less crime then other first world nations, less poverty then other first world nations, less difference between poor and rich then other first world countries, more then 50 percent of the top 20 gdp countries are European and the Euro is going stronger everyday and topping most currencies. Why are you complaining ? If Europe was heading towards ruin like most people are saying then Europe would become less of a first world nation by the years like is happening in other placea right now but instead Europe is going stronger each year. I get it why most people say stuff like that since they don't even invest anytime in economics and how countries work and only focus on negative shit and doomsday scenarios.
 
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Strange... Saudi Arabia, United Arab Emerites, and Iran are the 3 largest oil producers in the Middle East. Again, last time I checked, those aren't war torn countries. Iran is America's enemy simply because it's Israel's enemy. All the 9/11 hijackers were from Saudi Arabia, not Iraq, or Afghanistan. But we didn't invade Saudia Arabia did we. No, we Invaded Iraq and Saddam who just happened to be Israel's enemy as well. The trillions that America spends in that region is not for resources. It's to protect Israel from it's enemies, and ultimately to nation build around Israel so that the threat against her is neutralized. You really do have a lot to learn about that region, and it's history. The oil and opiate argument is for dumb people to believe, which works since most Americans spend their time with endless streams of entertainment (video games, movies, music, facebook, etc) instead of reading books and thinking past their own noses.
Saudi Arabia sells us oil. I have never witnessed someone that has swallowed the biggest line of fox news propaganda bullshit in all my life. I'm done, you're fucking stupid.
 

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Saudi Arabia sells us oil. I have never witnessed someone that has swallowed the biggest line of fox news propaganda bullshit in all my life. I'm done, you're fucking stupid.
The US has been buying oil from Iraq since 1998. Yet, we invaded them. Your point?? You need to put the weed down, and start improving your understanding of the world, it's history, and who is who out there. You're way too innocent. And, I don't watch FOX news, CNN, or any other BS American news. Why don't you look into who owns the major news networks in America. That's a good place for you start!
 
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Strange... Saudi Arabia, United Arab Emerites, and Iran are the 3 largest oil producers in the Middle East. Again, last time I checked, those aren't war torn countries. Iran is America's enemy simply because it's Israel's enemy. All the 9/11 hijackers were from Saudi Arabia, not Iraq, or Afghanistan. But we didn't invade Saudia Arabia did we. No, we Invaded Iraq and Saddam who sent scud missiles to Israel 10 years prior. Needless to say, Iraq was always on Israel's mind, and one of her primary enemies with Iran.. The trillions that America spends in that region is not for resources. It's to protect Israel from it's enemies, and ultimately to nation build around Israel so that the threat against her is neutralized. You really do have a lot to learn about that region, and it's history. The oil and opiate argument is for dumb people to believe, which works since most Americans spend their time with endless streams of entertainment (video games, movies, music, facebook, etc) instead of reading books and thinking past their own noses. Oh, and Afghanistan is a huge interest for Israel as it just so happens to be the country that sits inbetween Israel and Iran. Think Mcfly.. Think...
United Arab Emerites is the second safest country in the world. Saudi Arabia is also a safer country than the UK and the US. Iran though is less safe than US and UK.

Middle East country Qutar, the richest country in the world, is also banking on their natural recourses and ranked as the 10th safest country in the world. Along with not having to pay taxes, free health care, free education, free water and electricity. They are also being smart and diversifying their money so they don't end up like Venezuela.
 
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