Hacking Downgrading Browser for Emunand

[Necrojinsei]

So to my understanding you can downgrade your browser so that you can run the spider exploit on the old 3ds. But is it possible to use the same method to downgrade the browser on the New3ds emunand so that it can allow for spider hacks?

The reason I'm asking is that I have never seen the question asked and am having a hard time finding any direct tutorial on how to do the process for the old 3ds. Now I think the answer to my own question is no, for the reason that Nintendo's solution to the problem is packaged with the New3ds and thus won't work regardless of browser version. But does anyone have more info or ideas about this possible solution?

 

[BobDoleOwndU]

The N3DS uses a different browser (Skater instead of Spider) than the O3DS, so downgrading the N3DS's browser won't allow for Spider exploits. I know a while ago some people were trying to install the Spider browser on the N3DS, but I don't think they were successful.

 

[Dotmore]

Is there a guide for this?

 

[Apache Thunder]

I had an idea that using an older version of Home Menu (something from the 7.x) might allow for Spider to be used on n3DS. Unfortunately I do not own a n3DS so I can't test this. This probably wouldn't be useful for emunand though since downgrading Home Menu means having no themes and what not. It's more for sysnand to perhaps allow for spider as an entry point. Unless you have a NAND mod, one should probably test this on a emunand backup to see if the idea even pans out.

 

[dedChar]

I had an idea that using an older version of Home Menu (something from the 7.x) might allow for Spider to be used on n3DS. Unfortunately I do not own a n3DS so I can't test this. This probably wouldn't be useful for emunand though since downgrading Home Menu means having no themes and what not. It's more for sysnand to perhaps allow for spider as an entry point. Unless you have a NAND mod, one should probably test this on a emunand backup to see if the idea even pans out.

Will test and report back!

 

[Apache Thunder]

Will test and report back!

That would be swell. Be sure to backup your emunand first. (this should be obvious). If you encounter a crash while uninstalling Home Menu, you can instead try a direct downgrade by using DevMeu 2.x with Gateway mode to install older Home Menu over existing one. I haven't tried uninstalling Home Menu before so I don't know how stable that would be doing it from FBI. Just don't attempt to use the Home Menu button until you install the replacement. You might have to cold boot the console afterwords even if the old one is installed as uninstalling the previous one might break the home button until you reboot.

 

[dedChar]

That would be swell. Be sure to backup your emunand first. (this should be obvious). If you encounter a crash while uninstalling Home Menu, you can instead try a direct downgrade by using DevMeu 2.x with Gateway mode to install older Home Menu over existing one. I haven't tried uninstalling Home Menu before so I don't know how stable that would be doing it from FBI. Just don't attempt to use the Home Menu button until you install the replacement. You might have to cold boot the console afterwords even if the old one is installed as uninstalling the previous one might break the home button until you reboot.

So after installing the Home Menu and Browser from 7.0.0-13 with devmenu 2.x emuNAND won't boot anymore. after loading my backup and installing both again, but going back to home instead of shutting down the console this time, I got into Home Menu. When i tried to launch the browser everything froze.

 

[Apache Thunder]

Hmm perhaps it won't work correctly with DevMenu 2.x. You can try FBI instead. If that fails, then I guess this won't work. It was worth a try.

 

[dedChar]

Hmm perhaps it won't work correctly with DevMenu 2.x. You can try FBI instead. If that fails, then I guess this won't work. It was worth a try.

Same Results with FBI

 

[Apache Thunder]

Did you uninstall the Skater browser or did you leave them both installed?

 

[dedChar]

Did you uninstall the Skater browser or did you leave them both installed?

Had them both installed. Going to try again uninstalling skater. how did I not think of this?

 

[Apache Thunder]

If you reboot after exiting back to home menu see if it boots up correctly then. Though Home Menu would just ignore Skater as it wouldn't recognize it.

(though without rebooting, you could instead hit power button, then home button again as I think Home Menu actually exits when you do that. Which is why this has to be done to see changes in Home Menu theme extdata modifications)

Also you might get better results deleting the save data for Home Menu. The save game data for Home Menu might not be backwards compatible hence the freeze.

To do this, you can either format emunand with System Settings after downgrading Home Menu. (Though I'd only recommend doing this with an emunand that's not linked to an NNID to avoid losing NNID access on your backup) or manually delete the save/extdata for Home Menu.

What you could do is redo emunand from Gateway menu (so you have a copy of sysnand as your emunand. I would assume this one doesn't have an NNID tied to it). Or just inject a sysnand backup into emunand with emunand tool. That also works.

Then downgrade Home Menu and install Spider. Then exit without rebooting and go to System Settings and perform a format. (rename Nintendo 3DS folder if you had any content linked to that particular emunand image. If not I don't think it touches anything else on SD card. You can just remove it prior to formatting if you are concerned about that)

The other way is to instead manually delete the save game and extdata for Home Menu. Details on the folder locations for that is here:

http://www.3dbrew.org/wiki/Extdata
http://www.3dbrew.org/wiki/System_SaveData

Note you will have to be able to decrypt your NAND's FAT16 partition and re-encrypt afterwords. It's a somewhat tidius process especially if you haven't done it before.

So perhaps try the System Format thing first.

 

[Apache Thunder]

Oh and also I think NS module is used for launching titles or at least I think that's what Home Menu uses to launch things. You might also have to downgrade that. I checked and there isn't a n3DS only version of that so you should be able to downgrade that as well. I know NS is involved with launching things in some fashion as Smealum's regionThree used that to get around region block of Home Menu I believe.

Title id for it is 0004013020008003 for Europe and 0004013020008002 for USA. (The version you are looking for is v11268 which was the version from 7.2) I'm not sure what region console you have so refer to the title list website if you don't have a Europe or USA console.

 

[dedChar]

Oh and also I think NS module is used for launching titles or at least I think that's what Home Menu uses to launch things. You might also have to downgrade that. I checked and there isn't a n3DS only version of that so you should be able to downgrade that as well. I know NS is involved with launching things in some fashion as Smealum's regionThree used that to get around region block of Home Menu I believe.

Title id for it is 0004013020008003 for Europe and 0004013020008002 for USA. (The version you are looking for is v11268 which was the version from 7.2) I'm not sure what region console you have so refer to the title list website if you don't have a Europe or USA console.

Why not v10248 for 7.0.0-13, because I have the home menu and browser of that version

 

[Apache Thunder]

You didn't tell me which version you chose. I just chose the latest 7.x version available. You can use 10248 instead as the version if you are using 7.0 Home Menu. Although I don't know why. 7.2 would probably be the best choice as it's the last version of 7.x before 8.x.

It's also the last time the browser was updated until 9.5 came out. So most 9.2 systems are infact using the web browser from 7.1 (assuming they were updated to 9.2 from CDN through normal means. Updates from Game carts don't install browser updates). So perhaps go with 7.1 or 7.2 for best browser compatibility.

 

[dedChar]

If you reboot after exiting back to home menu see if it boots up correctly then. Though Home Menu would just ignore Skater as it wouldn't recognize it.

(though without rebooting, you could instead hit power button, then home button again as I think Home Menu actually exits when you do that. Which is why this has to be done to see changes in Home Menu theme extdata modifications)

Also you might get better results deleting the save data for Home Menu. The save game data for Home Menu might not be backwards compatible hence the freeze.

To do this, you can either format emunand with System Settings after downgrading Home Menu. (Though I'd only recommend doing this with an emunand that's not linked to an NNID to avoid losing NNID access on your backup) or manually delete the save/extdata for Home Menu.

What you could do is redo emunand from Gateway menu (so you have a copy of sysnand as your emunand. I would assume this one doesn't have an NNID tied to it). Or just inject a sysnand backup into emunand with emunand tool. That also works.

Then downgrade Home Menu and install Spider. Then exit without rebooting and go to System Settings and perform a format. (rename Nintendo 3DS folder if you had any content linked to that particular emunand image. If not I don't think it touches anything else on SD card. You can just remove it prior to formatting if you are concerned about that)

The other way is to instead manually delete the save game and extdata for Home Menu. Details on the folder locations for that is here:

http://www.3dbrew.org/wiki/Extdata
http://www.3dbrew.org/wiki/System_SaveData

Note you will have to be able to decrypt your NAND's FAT16 partition and re-encrypt afterwords. It's a somewhat tidius process especially if you haven't done it before.

So perhaps try the System Format thing first.

So after installing Home Menu, Spider and NS from fw 7.0.0-13 on a linked emuNAND it freezes after trying to get to home menu.
Do you think installing spider and launching it through fbi could work?

I'm going to try everything with the stuff from fw 7.1.0-16 later, because it's late now there where I am.

 

[Apache Thunder]

I tried launching Spider from FBI on my o3DS. Get black screen crash. That's not going to work. (and besides, it defeats the purpose of using it if you have to launch FBI or other custom title to launch it) DevMenu will refuse to launch it.

Your best bet is to downgrade Home Menu and install Spider (but leave NS alone), then do a system format after exiting back to home menu. (don't attempt to launch System Settings from FBI, it will crash. This seems to be the case for any system app on NAND you attempt to launch from FBI)

If you downgrade System Settings you can avoid unlinking NNID or you can use a sysnand image from before you linked it to an NNID/system transfer to do a system format without messing up your NNID.


If that fails. Then n3DS will never be able to use Spider. Downgrading NS module might break more things then it's worth. I'm thinking NS module has to be be able to launch n3DS exclusive titles and needs to be able to read the exheader flags for that. The downgraded one wont be able to and any n3DS exclusive system titles/modules might not launch correctly. So downgraded NS module might break things or brick emunand.


At this point if you can't get Home Menu to work after a System Format, then nothing will and we can give up on using Spider on n3DS.

 

[dedChar]

I tried launching Spider from FBI on my o3DS. Get black screen crash. That's not going to work. (and besides, it defeats the purpose of using it if you have to launch FBI or other custom title to launch it) DevMenu will refuse to launch it.

Your best bet is to downgrade Home Menu and install Spider (but leave NS alone), then do a system format after exiting back to home menu. (don't attempt to launch System Settings from FBI, it will crash. This seems to be the case for any system app on NAND you attempt to launch from FBI)

If you downgrade System Settings you can avoid unlinking NNID or you can use a sysnand image from before you linked it to an NNID/system transfer to do a system format without messing up your NNID.


If that fails. Then n3DS will never be able to use Spider. Downgrading NS module might break more things then it's worth. I'm thinking NS module has to be be able to launch n3DS exclusive titles and needs to be able to read the exheader flags for that. The downgraded one wont be able to and any n3DS exclusive system titles/modules might not launch correctly. So downgraded NS module might break things or brick emunand.


At this point if you can't get Home Menu to work after a System Format, then nothing will and we can give up on using Spider on n3DS.

I can't get into Home Menu on my linked emuNAND with the 7.0 Home Menu installed, so I can't do a system format
Looks like no spider for n3ds

 

[Apache Thunder]

I just remembered that I was able to boot System Settings using DevMenu 2.x. Not sure how I forgot about that. DevMenu might have to be installed to NAND for it to launch system titles correctly as in that instance I had it installed to NAND instead of SD card. (Normal CIAs will install it to SD card.)

In this instance it will be on emunand. But you get the idea.

 

[dedChar]

I just remembered that I was able to boot System Settings using DevMenu 2.x. Not sure how I forgot about that. DevMenu might have to be installed to NAND for it to launch system titles correctly as in that instance I had it installed to NAND instead of SD card. (Normal CIAs will install it to SD card.)

In this instance it will be on emunand. But you get the idea.

Hmm.. ok I'll give it a try.