Homebrew Downgrade from 10.4?

[CrispyYoshi]

I hate to bring up dying topics with off-topic information, but I would hate more not to reply to the post @WeedZ made previously.

I agree with most of what WeedZ has said. We cannot improve if nobody points out our flaws, and negativity is sometimes necessary to prove our point. WeedZ didn't criticize OP, but did mention some revealing morals that

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me.

There's a difference between constructive criticism and destructive criticism. We can (and should) criticize people so they learn from their mistakes, and it's fine if we emphasize our anger as long as we get the point across. However, I don't think we should attack the people we criticize, nor should we revoke their credibility. I'm particularly referring to the person you quoted/supported, implying that the "noob" wasn't "smart," as well as the condescending remarks (stupid, illiterate, etc) toward the person you replied to.

WeedZ, I can sympathize with your frustration with the frequent "noob" posts, but please remember that everyone has differing levels of criticism tolerance. Sometimes, our remarks can unintentionally create permanently damaging or traumatic effects on people, especially developing children. Regarding the "SJW" thing you commented on, there are certainly many corrupt or under-educated individuals who preach (and you might even consider me a hypocrite, depending on your beliefs), but at least consider what I've said earlier: If nobody points out our flaws, we cannot improve, and there are legitimate concerns that some of those "SJWs" bring up that are very real.

I'm not telling you how to live your life, but I do ask that you re-evaluate some of your morals regarding criticism.

 

[WeedZ]

I hate to bring up dying topics with off-topic information, but I would hate more not to reply to the post @WeedZ made previously.

I agree with most of what WeedZ has said. We cannot improve if nobody points out our flaws, and negativity is sometimes necessary to prove our point. WeedZ didn't criticize OP, but did mention some revealing morals that

Spoiler

triggered

me.

There's a difference between constructive criticism and destructive criticism. We can (and should) criticize people so they learn from their mistakes, and it's fine if we emphasize our anger as long as we get the point across. However, I don't think we should attack the people we criticize, nor should we revoke their credibility. I'm particularly referring to the person you quoted/supported, implying that the "noob" wasn't "smart," as well as the condescending remarks (stupid, illiterate, etc) toward the person you replied to.

WeedZ, I can sympathize with your frustration with the frequent "noob" posts, but please remember that everyone has differing levels of criticism tolerance. Sometimes, our remarks can unintentionally create permanently damaging or traumatic effects on people, especially developing children. Regarding the "SJW" thing you commented on, there are certainly many corrupt or under-educated individuals who preach (and you might even consider me a hypocrite, depending on your beliefs), but at least consider what I've said earlier: If nobody points out our flaws, we cannot improve, and there are legitimate concerns that some of those "SJWs" bring up that are very real.

I'm not telling you how to live your life, but I do ask that you re-evaluate some of your morals regarding criticism.

Very well put. I agree with everything you said and will try to be a bit more thoughtful in the future.

 

[Halvorsen]

You don't have to do anything. And reacting negatively to something isn't always a bad thing. It's not an issue that it's annoying. it's an issue, and annoying, watching people continually update, then get all helpless and whiney about not having exploits. And it happens over and over. Its like watching your kid beating his own head against the wall for no reason. If explaining not to do that doesn't work, at some point you just have to bust his ass.

Like I said in the post you skipped, we're not shitty for the sake of being shitty. But you can't help people that are resistant to learning. I think @cooroxd was justified in his tone.

Yeah, no. I posted something about asking if my ID would be banned if I used a CIA on my console. Apparently half the people here are blind and go to "muh annoyedness" mode instead of reading the post. "You had 2 weeks to downgrade, and you updated anyway." He took over half my thread about saying how I should not have updated instead of actually reading the post. If people are gonna be butthurt instead of helping on a forum, literally why are they here in the first place?

 

[fr3quency]

Yeah, no. I posted something about asking if my ID would be banned if I used a CIA on my console. Apparently half the people here are blind and go to "muh annoyedness" mode instead of reading the post. "You had 2 weeks to downgrade, and you updated anyway." He took over half my thread about saying how I should not have updated instead of actually reading the post. If people are gonna be butthurt instead of helping on a forum, literally why are they here in the first place?

Well, I had a dozens questions, but I googled all of them. After I successfully created an emuNAND and had my .CIA games installed and I was literally 100% done with my setup, I created an account here. Seriously all those silly questions can be answered by googling. Most people can't do that unfortunately. They want cud. It's like they are dreaming all those questions and wake up opening their eyes like this: get out of bed and start posting threads, threads, threads, threads, threads, unlimited threads. For example, all those questions about downgrading from 10.4 > 9.2. You will immediately literally think "WHY THE FK DID YOU UPDATE YOUR 3DS?"

 

[Halvorsen]

Well, I had a dozens questions, but I googled all of them. After I successfully created an emuNAND and had my .CIA games installed and I was literally 100% done with my setup, I created an account here. Seriously all those silly questions can be answered by googling. Most people can't do that unfortunately. They want cud. It's like they are dreaming all those questions and wake up opening their eyes like this: get out of bed and start posting threads, threads, threads, threads, threads, unlimited threads. For example, all those questions about downgrading from 10.4 > 9.2. You will immediately literally think "WHY THE FK DID YOU UPDATE YOUR 3DS?"

That's their problem if that's what they think. Not mine. And SORRY, I did look it up, AND cited a quote for discussion.

 

[AtlasFontaine]

Sorry dude, you're in Never Ever Land :/

 

[fr3quency]

That's their problem if that's what they think. Not mine. And SORRY, I did look it up, AND cited a quote for discussion.

You, too, have asked a ton of questions which could be answered by simply googling. One tiny example is this thread(really now?): http://gbatemp.net/threads/what-is-ftp.398511/

Not trying to attack you, but a forum is not meant to ask every.single.question

 

[hacksn5s4]

does not look like its fully patched though because someone tested menuchunkhax2 and only one thing failed maybe it can be fixed or it was just one change

 

[WeedZ]

Yeah, no. I posted something about asking if my ID would be banned if I used a CIA on my console. Apparently half the people here are blind and go to "muh annoyedness" mode instead of reading the post. "You had 2 weeks to downgrade, and you updated anyway." He took over half my thread about saying how I should not have updated instead of actually reading the post. If people are gonna be butthurt instead of helping on a forum, literally why are they here in the first place?

I think another issue is that people who are involved with the scene have experimented, even with limited ability, and shared information with other members. It's about the hobby of hacking and exploration in general, and not necessarily about the 3ds itself. Then you have people that stumble across the scene and find out they can get free games and junk on their 3ds, with no interest in doing any of the work. These people are the ones that are all 'omg, free games, how do I do it? Can I do it with (whatever fw they have)? How do I etc?'

To us, their questions are common knowledge because we've explored and learned how things work, piracy and homebrew being second or an end goal. They don't realise how stupid their questions are. But we're here for the love of hacking and homebrew, and to share our knowledge with those with the same interests. Not to give a bunch of kids free games, cheats, cfw and homebrew.

When we see these 'how do I downgrade 10.whatever' (or any stupid question for that matter), we know it's just some leech that cares nothing for the process and just wants free shit. Or else they would already known, or had the decency to search for, and know where to find, the answer.

I don't know what thread you're referring to, but the cia question is one of those as well. Anyone with a week in the scene knows installed software uses the consoles id and not a private header like cartridges or rom dumps.

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does not look like its fully patched though because someone tested menuchunkhax2 and only one thing failed maybe it can be fixed or it was just one change

There are rumors of private exploits on 10.4. We might see some activity soon.

 

[Halvorsen]

I think another issue is that people who are involved with the scene have experimented, even with limited ability, and shared information with other members. It's about the hobby of hacking and exploration in general, and not necessarily about the 3ds itself. Then you have people that stumble across the scene and find out they can get free games and junk on their 3ds, with no interest in doing any of the work. These people are the ones that are all 'omg, free games, how do I do it? Can I do it with (whatever fw they have)? How do I etc?'

To us, their questions are common knowledge because we've explored and learned how things work, piracy and homebrew being second or an end goal. They don't realise how stupid their questions are. But we're here for the love of hacking and homebrew, and to share our knowledge with those with the same interests. Not to give a bunch of kids free games, cheats, cfw and homebrew.

When we see these 'how do I downgrade 10.whatever' (or any stupid question for that matter), we know it's just some leech that cares nothing for the process and just wants free shit. Or else they would already known, or had the decency to search for, and know where to find, the answer.

I don't know what thread you're referring to, but the cia question is one of those as well. Anyone with a week in the scene knows installed software uses the consoles id and not a private header like cartridges or rom dumps.

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There are rumors of private exploits on 10.4. We might see some activity soon.

If you had 400 dollars worth of legit games on your NNID with cases of being banned while using CIAs, I would want to make sure. Wouldn't you?

 

[3DSPoet]

Heh, who knew my playing Devil's Advocate would turn into an in-depth philosophical discussion?

I may not be an elite programmer (or a programmer at all, for that matter), but I LOVE to tinker with things. I've had some sort of mod on pretty much every console and device I've owned since my GameBoy Color (Old Doctor GB card...had to do some weird rom merging and graft a menu onto it to play multirom..). I can easily spend HOURS poring over articles and forums looking for information and poking at this or that....all to spend like half an hour actually playing the games I've been tinkering with all afternoon before heading to bed.

 

[Margen67]

Feel free to close this bullshit thread.

I'm sure the mods will close it Soon™ (within three days at least)
Because there's so much left to discuss and the thread won't inevitably turn into a flame war (unless it already has)

There are rumors of private exploits on 10.4. We might see some activity soon.

Let me guess..
Proof of cockiness concept™?

 

[3DSPoet]

I'm sure the mods will close it Soon™ (within three days at least)
Because there's so much left to discuss and the thread won't inevitably turn into a flame war (unless it already has)
Let me guess..
Proof of cockiness concept™?

Nah, we already had the flame war, came to an accord, reconciled our differences, and moved on to peaceful discussion of life here in "The Temp".

 

[Margen67]

Nah, we already had the flame war, came to an accord, reconciled our differences, and moved on to peaceful discussion of life here in "The Temp".

And then it will be necrobumped by a n00b
and the cycle continues

 

[WeedZ]

I'm sure the mods will close it Soon™ (within three days at least)
Because there's so much left to discuss and the thread won't inevitably turn into a flame war (unless it already has)
Let me guess..
Proof of cockiness concept™?

No proof just rumors. So I have my doubts with the lack of epeen pics

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And then it will be necrobumped by a n00b
and the cycle continues

That's already happened too lol

 

[3DSPoet]

I think it's become more of a tech demo.

 

[Margen67]

That's already happened too lol

Then it will repeat again until the thread is closed like it should have been in the first place.

 

[WeedZ]

Then it will repeat again until the thread is closed like it should have been in the first place.

And the wheel of life keeps turning

 

[3DSPoet]

Just like Wise Mari.....

 

[Margen67]

And the wheel of life keeps turning

But some shit gets filtered out and goes into the EOF

There are rumors of private exploits on 10.4. We might see some activity soon™.

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