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As such, this feature - if you can call it that - is open to debate as it is possibly a part of the program. [...] If anything, perhaps the author will consider our arguments when deciding whether or not to implement digital rights management. Constructive criticism is a good thing.
The original description of Devolution has not and will not change. Therefore any debate is pointless and it is impossible for any criticism to be deemed constructive. For this reason I suggest it would be unwise for anyone to continue the anti-piracy "debate", lest the mods decide to hand out warnings for trolling/off-topic.
 
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If you ignore it and keep people from talking about it, the issues they bring up will go away~!
 
As such, this feature - if you can call it that - is open to debate as it is possibly a part of the program. [...] If anything, perhaps the author will consider our arguments when deciding whether or not to implement digital rights management. Constructive criticism is a good thing.
The original description of Devolution has not and will not change. Therefore any debate is pointless and it is impossible for any criticism to be deemed constructive. For this reason I suggest it would be unwise for anyone to continue the anti-piracy "debate", lest the mods decide to hand out warnings for trolling/off-topic.
I appreciate that you have committed to stubbornness; so you're right, debate will do no good. I guess I will have to wait for the Devolution discussion thread - if there ever is one - to speak ill of your design choices and misguided ideology.
 
As such, this feature - if you can call it that - is open to debate as it is possibly a part of the program. [...] If anything, perhaps the author will consider our arguments when deciding whether or not to implement digital rights management. Constructive criticism is a good thing.
The original description of Devolution has not and will not change. Therefore any debate is pointless and it is impossible for any criticism to be deemed constructive. For this reason I suggest it would be unwise for anyone to continue the anti-piracy "debate", lest the mods decide to hand out warnings for trolling/off-topic.
I appreciate that you have committed to stubbornness; so you're right, debate will do no good. I guess I will have to wait for the Devolution discussion thread - if there ever is one - to speak ill of your design choices and misguided ideology.
Stop trolling. If you don't like it (not that you would know at this point), don't use it. Simple as that.
 
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As such, this feature - if you can call it that - is open to debate as it is possibly a part of the program. [...] If anything, perhaps the author will consider our arguments when deciding whether or not to implement digital rights management. Constructive criticism is a good thing.
The original description of Devolution has not and will not change. Therefore any debate is pointless and it is impossible for any criticism to be deemed constructive. For this reason I suggest it would be unwise for anyone to continue the anti-piracy "debate", lest the mods decide to hand out warnings for trolling/off-topic.
I appreciate that you have committed to stubbornness; so you're right, debate will do no good. I guess I will have to wait for the Devolution discussion thread - if there ever is one - to speak ill of your design choices and misguided ideology.
Stop trolling. If you don't like it (not that you would know at this point), don't use it. Simple as that.
I'm not trolling. Just as you said, I have no way of knowing whether or not I will like it, which is why I said "I will have to wait for the Devolution discussion thread", implying that I will have to wait for its release. I can't well criticize something that doesn't exist, but for you to suggest that anything - films, art, music games, or in this case, software - should be shielded from criticism - especially well-founded criticism - is absurd.

If anybody would like to further address my posts, I would be very happy to do so privately, as I feel the moderators here are very strict in their interpretation of "on-topic", and I don't want to further contribute to "off-topic" discussion.
 
I won't trash those latest posts as they're hopefully the last of this entire line of discussion.

Still, piracy debates are a REALLY hot topic here on GBAtemp, and they haven't EVER failed in derailing threads massively, just like it was going to happen in here too. A little off-topic can be tolerated, but these kind of off-topics just tend to last TOO long for everyone's tastes.

Thanks :yay:
 
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Can't people appreciate the program for what it is, instead of overlooking the great potentiality it has?
Who am I kidding? This is GBATemp we're talking about.

People do appreciate the program and they are not overlooking the potentiality it has.
What are YOU talking about?
 
If you ignore it and keep people from talking about it, the issues they bring up will go away~!
It's only an issue for you and other pirates people with disc problems, and since truej said he won't be supporting warez, go complain to somebody who cares.
 
If you ignore it and keep people from talking about it, the issues they bring up will go away~!
It's only an issue for you and other pirates people with disc problems, and since truej said he won't be supporting warez, go complain to somebody who cares.
Alas, if you had read the thread before we were all graciously silenced...
The main point is that requiring a working gamecube-compatible disc drive essentially rules out anyone who would be interested in legitimate use of a Gamecube game loader. Especially owners of the new Wii models.
 
People do appreciate the program and they are not overlooking the potentiality it has.
What are YOU talking about?

Well, based off of how derailed these threads get, that's precisely how I feel. People overlook it and assume it's used primarily for piracy. That's why I said what I said.
 
Alas, if you had read the thread before we were all graciously silenced...
The main point is that requiring a working gamecube-compatible disc drive essentially rules out anyone who would be interested in legitimate use of a Gamecube game loader. Especially owners of the new Wii models.
Alas, if you would listen when people say this, repeatedly:

We do not know if what you say will be the case. All tueidj has said is it will not support piracy. He has not said how this will be implemented, in fact I get the impression not even he himself knows.

In other words, you don't know if it will be "useless" to any group of people because you do not know what "limitations"/protections will be in place.
 
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I can see where these people are coming from, especially if the Wii is the newer, stripped down ones that don't have GCN support (why anyone would by that model is beyond me), but c'mon. Tueidj has made homebrew users' dreams come true, being able to use gamecube games on a USB device.
 
He has not said how this will be implemented, in fact I get the impression not even he himself knows.

WHEN: Hard to say. Maybe a proper release some time near the start of May.
We are almost near the start of May. I doubt that someone who announced a big project like this is still undecided about an important "feature" near the estimated release time.
 
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What people fail to realize is that if tueidj implements disk checking/antipiracy/black magic/whatever, some basement coder is going to want to pirate his gc games, so he'll take the code, figure out a way to bypass the AP or patch the disk image to bypass it, release it, people find out here, get banned, tueidj gets pissed and leaves the wii scene, as what happens with almost every other scene out there, because people can't leave well enough alone.

It's threads like this that are the reason why I always say that threads like this shouldn't be open. This kind of argument and flaming always happens, without fail. When it's release it'll be released people, tueidj will have it how he wants it and that's what we're going to have. May as well beat the dead horse and say that there's no sense in arguing about something nobody knows about yet, except tueidj himself. While I don't necessarily agree with the possibility of what/how he will or could limit it, it's his damn program. Nobody is being forced to use it.
 
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I'm glad the other thread got closed solely because he named it devolution because he mashed dolphin and revolution together instead of knowing devolution would mean going back an evolution (generation) thus giving us the Gamecube.

But whatever.

Whatever.
 
What people fail to realize is that if tueidj implements disk checking/antipiracy/black magic/whatever, some basement coder is going to want to pirate his gc games, so he'll take the code, figure out a way to bypass the AP or patch the disk image to bypass it, release it, people find out here, get banned, tueidj gets pissed and leaves the wii scene, as what happens with almost every other scene out there, because people can't leave well enough alone.

It's threads like this that are the reason why I always say that threads like this shouldn't be open. This kind of argument and flaming always happens, without fail. When it's release it'll be released people, tueidj will have it how he wants it and that's what we're going to have. May as well beat the dead horse and say that there's no sense in arguing about something nobody knows about yet, except tueidj himself. While I don't necessarily agree with the possibility of what/how he will or could limit it, it's his damn program. Nobody is being forced to use it.

I would have been inclined to agree with the first paragraph, but no one ever achieved piracy on riivolution.
 
Not even specifically piracy or riivolution. I've seen it happen before - homebrew dev makes the app do/not do somethign. Someone doesn't like it, tries to circumvent it. Succeeds. Dev gets pissed. "Fuck this scene, I'm out, assholes, S my D, etc", still bugs in app, scene suffers from one ass/group who wanted it their way without just making it themselves.

My main reference was rudolf with gbaExploader for the DS. Once people tried to circumvent M3 cartridge blocking, he got pissed and stopped developing it, and it still lacks full support for the most recent 3in1 revisions, which only have access to PSRAM and NOR modes, not RAM and Rumble. Though he didn't leave. Something with the PS3 as well with a different dev also, I think.

Edit - Just saying I think people need to just leave well enough alone and wait to see what happens. If everyone decides to keep civil about it, not make it out to be the worst thing ever, maybe tueidj in his good graces will remove any sort of AP he might implement after a while. Who knows? I'm not saying he will or even suggesting he should, I'm simply stating that it could happen. I also don't think he would purposely exclude people with newer, GC-less wii's. But again - just wait and see what happens. I don't use my wii as much as I used to, but this app has a LOT of promise to it. This would give me and many others, to some varying degree, a lot of ease-of-use playing GC games again.
 
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