Hacking cSM Sneak Peek!

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zidane_genome said:
nothing but true innovative homebrew.
You'll be waiting a long time then. Innovative homebrew is few and far between. It's all emulamer stuff, with yet another bomberman/tetris/breakout clone thrown in. Every so often (like 4-5x in a consoles lifespan) something amazing and groundbreaking may appear.

Oh and dictionary.com is american - nobody takes the americans seriously when it comes to anything linguistics related; look at how they've butchered the English language. Oxford English or fail... ;>
 
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true innovative homebrew
and what may that be?

hey Marcan, you must love coming on here to get a load of sh*t thrown at you,
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although you are right people dont choose to admit it*
 
Marcan, you are trying to tell the kids in the sandbox that they are not really building the bestest greatest castle in the world. Let them name their games and play them if they're so jolly about it. And let us rather concentrate on the bigger picture (oh, hint hint, fuck yeah).
 
ShadowXP said:
I understand now you're using waninkoko's cIOS as a backend... still impressive though!

Edit: For example, like what DA did with using Sony's code to run PSX ISOs on the PSP... are you using Nintendo's own code to run backups? If so, that's impressive stuff.
Similar yes. The same way PSP has custom firmware, the Wii will as well. DAX bases is CFW off of official firmware releases from sony, as my cSM will be based off official releases from Nintendo.
 
marcan said:
Tichinde925 said:
Yea, thats what custom cars are.
Yeah. Patching a dozen bytes of code in the system menu (or IOS, or making the system menu use a patched IOS) is about as "custom" as swapping out the radio. I'd call a System Menu a "custom" one if you actually made some changes to it that involve a similar amount of skill as the "customizing" of the car that you describe.

If you want to call something "custom" at least either make it a technically relevant modification. You know, like adding Gamecube pad support to the main menu, making the background image swappable (NOT by editing the textures - I mean actually have it load a JPEG from SD). I'd call that custom, since it involves a significant modification to the code. Not swapping out textures, editing the IOS field in the TMD, and patching trivial bits of code. Menuloader already does a lot of what this "custom" menu is going to do. It patches about 30 or so bytes, total.

Most people are trying to carry on the implications or the definition of "custom" from other fields, depending on what they need. Implying that "custom" is an important achievement while just pretending that a few modifications makes something "custom" is incoherent. If you want to call something "custom" because it's modified (in any way), the custom means VERY little - I could call my System Menu custom already because it has HBC on it. If you want to imply some sort of technical difficulty, such as most people do when applying it to cars, then sorry but a dozen single-instruction patches don't qualify as custom. Pick a definition and stick to it. If you pick the former then everyone actually making new or seriously hacked stuff will just have to find a better term.

cIOS had nothing of "custom" UNTIL the new warezloader 0.3 DI patch came around. THAT is PRECISELY when the "custom" label would start to apply to at least the DI module, IMNSHO. You know, like tweaking the fuel injectors in a car with a custom mod to the ECU to improve performance by varying the timing. Legal/moral implications aside, what was done there had a lot of technical merit and clearly showed that the person doing it had a fairly deep understanding of how that particular IOS module worked and how to add the functionality required. Of course, since Waninkoko started calling it "custom" way before that, they couldn't do anything about changing the name then since it was already supposedly "custom".

If you need another analogy, previous "custom" IOSes and what seems to be the upcoming "custom" menu are about as "custom" as a Windows computer where you changed the screen saver, replaced the wallpaper, and added one of those off-the-shelf skinning tools with a Vista theme.

Any developer with the skill to truly hack the System Menu to bits and pieces should have figured out by now that entirely REPLACING the System Menu is a much more useful prospect and a much more useful thing to be spending time on. We have. If you haven't it probably means that you're just not seeing the big picture. A modified IOS makes sense because replacing IOS is a major pain in the ass and with little practical prospect at the moment, for most real situations. Replacing the System Menu is doable here and now, and just requires some time and a dedicated team of prorgamers.

If you actually manage to revamp the graphical aspect (by itself not good enough! but a decent start), add features (GC pad support), change the GUI layout a bit (that shows that you're not just replacing images), make it tweakable, and in general ADD stuff to it - not just remove restrictions - THEN I'll call it custom all right (not from scratch, but I never said custom implied ONLY from scratch). But right now it's just a few hardcoded menuloader-like patches and an IOS swap.

And if you stick to the "custom = not stock, changed in any way" definition, then that's great, but custom stops implying ANY sort of achievement and becomes a label for pretty much everything that comes out of the wii homebrew/hacking community. That makes it a pretty useless label.
You realize that you're critiquing an alpha right? Like, you're actually trying to make an argument on the fact that an alpha test (which isnt even released), sporting very few changes, isnt a big accomplishment. Well no shit, its an alpha. If you'd like me to just keep all my work to myself and release it when it is ridiculously complete, bustling with the features you speak of and that I plan to implement, then I will. I can surely keep quiet and then tada, drop a complete solution on the scene, but that's not what i want to do. Nobody likes waiting for a complete finished product, So i plan on releasing it in stable increments, so that people can enjoy it as I develop it. So please, shut the fuck up, you're irritating me.
 
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So please, shut the fuck up, you're irritating me.
i'm sure everyone laughed at that
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now that's not very nice is it* lol
but yeah in these circumstances your best off working with others that you know can help then release a worthable release of it.
Would prevent all this crap etc.
 
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You do know you realize that you're critiquing an alpha right? Like, you're actually trying to make an argument on the fact that an alpha test, sporting very few changes, isnt a big accomplishment. Well no shit, its an alpha. If you'd like me to just keep all my work to myself and release it when it is ridiculously complete, bustling with the features you speak of and that I plan to implement, then I will. I can surely keep quiet and then tada, drop a complete solution on the scene, but that's not what i want to do. Nobody likes waiting for a complete finished product, So i plan on releasing it in stable increments, so that people can enjoy it as I develop it. So please, shut the fuck up, you're irritating me.

you tell him....
 
The problem with the scene is the following: some guys create pretty good stuff, get famous and think they are God. Then they just begin spitting on other people's work.

C'mon! We know your are such a smart ass and a super-duper-wii-developer. But why criticizing others? Why not giving constructive hints and even help on newer projects? Why acting like that? Peace!
 
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C'mon! We know your are such a smart ass and a super-duper-wii-developer. But why criticizing others? Why not giving constructive hints and even help on newer projects? Why acting like that? Peace!
they're against piracy........ that's all(marcan would nurse a semi, if they created a custom firmware which completely blocked any new nintendo update, complete blocked downgrades, completely stopped backups, with or without modchips, and complete tossed warez), and it could be dangerous, slamming forsaken just like wanin has had ear bashing many a time.
 
djdynamite123 said:
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So please, shut the fuck up, you're irritating me.
i'm sure everyone laughed at that
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now that's not very nice is it* lol
but yeah in these circumstances your best off working with others that you know can help then release a worthable release of it.
Would prevent all this crap etc.
I wasnt planning on releasing it before it was worthy, all this was was a video of the most recent, unfinished stable version. thats it. Hell, I didn't even have to mention anything at all, but I figured it would be nice to atleast show the scene im working on something instead of taking my word for it. If I had released it the way it is, then marcan, then you could critique it and say how little of an accomplishment you think it is, etc.

Tell ya what, when i do release the first public version, you can put it down all you want. Fair?
 
Being against piracy is not an excuse to treat people like that. They are assuming that backup loader/cIOS/WAD Installer developers and users are all pirates, and that's wrong!

And even if all of us were pirates. So what? They are not better than us in any way.
 
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Tell ya what, when i do release the first public version, you can put it down all you want. Fair?makes sense
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QUOTEBeing against piracy is not an excuse to treat people like that. They are assuming that backup loader/cIOS/WAD Installer developers and users are all pirates, and that's wrong!

And even if all of us were pirates. So what? They are not better than us in any way.
making the exploit for the HBC, that was the beginners pad to all the good & bad applications. Hacking is wrong. piracy is wrong. but it's always going to be done....but we all do it.

Anyway that's deffo the end, bed calls....
 
marcan said:
fishears said:
No, Marcan, what you refer to would be called a "replacement IOS". A custom, or customized IOS would be anything that is modified from its stock form, like Forsaekn's work.
I have a custom Dell! I upgraded the hard drive
I have a custom Windows! I changed one registry setting.
I have a custom car! I added a bumper sticker

When custom means "anything that is modified from its stock form" then it stops making any sense as a label, because it implies absolutely nothing other than "modified from its stock form", which is a pretty weak assertion. I couldn't care less if something is "modified from its stock form". I'd much rather know if something is "significantly modified from its stock form".

If you want to go by that definition, fine, but be aware that then even mentioning that something is "custom" is rather pointless. People are applying the "custom" label and implying that it is somehow "above and beyond" a typical patch, when in reality even a single patch would count as "custom" by that definition.
people understand custom better than patched, people see custom, they think psp, they think cool features that aint there normaly. even if patched is the correct term, custom just sounds something better. i take stuff like windows updates at patches, or system stuff like on xbox360 as patches. not mods by people who dont work for a the company, its like original xbox, MS added patches to the boot process(i think :S) but the hackers could add a custom patch to that process to boot there own code.
 
I have one request:

Can you make it possible to autoboot Wii games if holding down a button the gamecube pad?

I ask this because all of my friends and I use the Gamecube pad to play SSBB, and it'd be easier if I didn't need a wiimote and could jump staight into the game.

@djdynamite123
Hacking isn't wrong, cracking is.
 
... Just to add a completely random point of wisdom here, which you can and probably will choose to ignore....

Who the Fuck cares???

Why don't we throw away the pissing contest, and get down to what really matters... the homebrew scene,

Yes, My custom is more "customier" then your custom...
My Dad can beat up your Dad...
My Penis is.. well, you get the picture.

I'm pretty sure we're all in this for roughly the same reason, we have a common peice of hardware, and we want to see what we can collectively do to it/with it.

Some PRETTY amazing stuff has come out of this scene, particularly in the last 2-4 months. Bravo to all involved. Hell, I'm a programmer and I wouldn't have a sweet clue where to start disecting my Wii!! Fors, This looks awesome, and the potential for it is incredible.

Marcan, I apologize that I don't know what you've personally contributed to the homebrew scene, I'm SURE it's more then me, so Well done!

so yeah, what the hell? Grab a beer, Chill and let's see what the next big thing that comes out of this will be.

all in all, I'm a random nobody in your life... I could be your next door neighbour, I could be in Zimbabwe... we'll all probably NEVER meet in real life, and even if we do, we'll never know it.

but, from one complete stranger to another, if you can all do me a HUGE favor... quit the freakin arguing and let's starting talking about the important stuff.. IE, Homebrew. It's a HELL of a lot more interesting to read...

oh and for the record... My Custom Penis.. IS HUGE!!!... and it can Totally Beat up your Dad
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Cheers all,
Jim.
 
Rykin said:
I have one request:

Can you make it possible to autoboot Wii games if holding down a button the gamecube pad?

I ask this because all of my friends and I use the Gamecube pad to play SSBB, and it'd be easier if I didn't need a wiimote and could jump staight into the game.
do you use backup games or normal games? if its original you can just install starfall and remove the recovory disc check aswell then hold Y and it will boot the recovory menu then boot the game.
 
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