Anonymous vs. Sony starts

[Slyakin]

4chan is currently DDoSing Sony.

NO WAI!

It doesn't matter. Sony has way too much power.

Anonymous lost against WBC. Do you think they can do anything to Sony?

 

[Zerousen]

(and you know how we feel about lulz.)

 

[Forstride]

OH NO, NOT ANONYMOUS! [/sarcasm]

I mean really, a DDoS here and there isn't going to do jackshit to Sony. If they actually wanted to get something done, they should do it in a more civil way.

Oh wait.../b/tards, civil? I clearly didn't think that sentence through.

 

[BobTheJoeBob]

I don't know what they expect to achieve by doing this, seems pointless. DDoSing a Sony site isn't really going to do much.

 

[twiztidsinz]

4chan is currently driving a large, but manageable, volume of traffic to Sony.

Fixed it for ya...

 

[Cloak519]

I don't know what they expect to achieve by doing this, seems pointless. DDoSing a Sony site isn't really going to do much.

Well, it's all they can do really. That and protests. But in all honesty, who gives two fucks? Sony sure as hell won't.

 

[Ace]

Well, if this manages to take down Sony's website, then it'll certainly have some kind of impact.
Personally, though, I'd do the DDoS and massive amounts of prank calling/doxing. I wouldn't mind seeing some more companies ruined by Operation Payback again. Remember ACS:Law?

 

[Bunie]

Finally someone is standing up against the real evil giant in the world~!

 

[Joe88]

web site is still up, its not working
not like it would do anything anyway

 

[Sephxus]

I will bet you anything that I'm not the only one who typed 4chantards to see if you were lying. That's awesome.

But seriously though, if this is the group that backed up Wikileaks, then by all means, I support them. Well, I support Anonymous either way no matter who it is behind it. Curious as to what will happen though if it is the "dangerous" Anonymous that the media talks about.

Well the media often don't know anything about the internet so most of those stories on the Anonymous and 4chan and what not are often poorly informed and wrong.

I just feel like the Anonymous are more of a joke than something anyone cares about.

Do you honestly think the media can’t figure out what the internet is? May I remind you that 10 year olds can? The media only lets you think what they want you to think.
Off topic: There are a few corporations that control the media. There are only five:
General Electric, Time Warner, Walt Disney, News Corp, and Viacom. They control television, newspapers, and radio.
Would you ever hear about corporate crimes on tv? Of course not! That would make you wonder, or actually think. They may sometimes rat on one another, but not if they are all doing similar crimes.

I don't know about this. What can a bunch of 4Chan-ers do to a giant company like Sony? Sure, maybe Anonymous has quantity, but Sony has the force of the law backing them up.
That is actually not true. Sony has not won the case, yet you are led to believe that Sony's actions are just because they are suing. The law doesn’t back it up, but its money does. Sony imposes fear by threatening those opposing it with lawsuits, even if those opposing the company do so legally. To the individual lawsuits are incredibly expensive, but to corporations… well, this is a “normal” process as it is expected in the corporate world.

There's only one Anonymous and you seriously don't want to mess with them. Be it a company or an individual.

Really, they just vandalize or threaten people. If anything it'll just draw bad attention to people who support Geohot. If anything, the Anonymous will just draw bad publicity to what the public views as "hackers" and Sony would get more support.


Do you think the way Sony threatens its consumers is rightfully justified?
p.s. – I don’t think I am “bad” attention, but you may think so.

They're going to take down Sony like they took down Scientology, right?

....'cuz Scientology got taken down, right?
It is not about taking down a giant corporation. This is about standing up for something and making people hear your voice.
For example, do you think that the civil rights demonstrations held during 1960s did anything to bring down racism in the US? It was just a dream and they didn’t expect that much. Ultimately, it was Dr. King’s assassination that influenced Congress to pass the Civil Rights Act of 1968.
Another example can be gay rights. There aren’t that many LGBs, but their voices can be heard.
The main point is that is does not matter whether you are able to single handedly take down a multi-billion dollar corporation, or a racist society against you, it is about standing up for something you believe is right.
QUOTE(Slyakin @ Apr 4 2011, 07:33 AM)

QUOTE(macgeek417 @ Apr 4 2011, 11:30 AM)

4chan is currently DDoSing Sony.

NO WAI!

It doesn't matter. Sony has way too much power.

Anonymous lost against WBC. Do you think they can do anything to Sony?

Those in power work very hard to make you believe that you are powerless, when in fact that is just not true. Take for example the totalitarian governments that are being overthrown today.
In the US, Bush had the lowest approval ratings in the history, but he still remained in power. You know why? Because most US citizens believed nothing could be done. Most people forget that a government is there to serve the people, not itself.

QUOTE(TDWP FTW @ Apr 4 2011, 08:05 AM)

OH NO, NOT ANONYMOUS! [/sarcasm]

I mean really, a DDoS here and there isn't going to do jackshit to Sony. If they actually wanted to get something done, they should do it in a more civil way.

Oh wait.../b/tards, civil? I clearly didn't think that sentence through.

How would you define civil? Sony’s way? People without the money to pay legal fees should just shut up and obey corporations.

 

[twiztidsinz]

I don't know about this. What can a bunch of 4Chan-ers do to a giant company like Sony? Sure, maybe Anonymous has quantity, but Sony has the force of the law backing them up.
That is actually not true. Sony has not won the case, yet you are led to believe that Sony's actions are just because they are suing. The law doesn’t back it up, but its money does. Sony imposes fear by threatening those opposing it with lawsuits, even if those opposing the company do so legally. To the individual lawsuits are incredibly expensive, but to corporations… well, this is a “normal” process as it is expected in the corporate world. I think he meant the law is on the side of Sony when it comes to DDOS attacks and the like, which is very much true.

There's only one Anonymous and you seriously don't want to mess with them. Be it a company or an individual.Or what? They'll fap at you with their dickgirl porn?
Anonymous is a fucking joke and a half. See: Scientology and Westbro Baptist Church.

They're going to take down Sony like they took down Scientology, right?

....'cuz Scientology got taken down, right?
It is not about taking down a giant corporation. This is about standing up for something and making people hear your voice.
For example, do you think that the civil rights demonstrations held during 1960s did anything to bring down racism in the US? It was just a dream and they didn’t expect that much. Ultimately, it was Dr. King’s assassination that influenced Congress to pass the Civil Rights Act of 1968.
Another example can be gay rights. There aren’t that many LGBs, but their voices can be heard.
The main point is that is does not matter whether you are able to single handedly take down a multi-billion dollar corporation, or a racist society against you, it is about standing up for something you believe is right.100% agree with your point.
100% disagree with your comparison.
Anonymous is the digital equivalent to thugs, but with the mentality of a child. Their actions amount to little more than tantrums that eventually blow over once their ADHD addled minds wander off to the next source of 'lulz'.

QUOTE(macgeek417 @ Apr 4 2011, 11:30 AM) 4chan is currently DDoSing Sony.

NO WAI!

It doesn't matter. Sony has way too much power.

Anonymous lost against WBC. Do you think they can do anything to Sony?

Those in power work very hard to make you believe that you are powerless, when in fact that is just not true. Take for example the totalitarian governments that are being overthrown today.
In the US, Bush had the lowest approval ratings in the history, but he still remained in power. You know why? Because most US citizens believed nothing could be done. Most people forget that a government is there to serve the people, not itself.

As a democrat, I think Bush was the stronger choice over John Kerry.
While I would have loved to see Bush out of office after his first term, Kerry just wasn't the right choice.
It wasn't a matter of 'nothing could be done', it was a matter of 'what they would do'.


QUOTE(Sephxus @ Apr 4 2011, 02:36 PM)

QUOTE(TDWP FTW @ Apr 4 2011, 08:05 AM)

OH NO, NOT ANONYMOUS! [/sarcasm]

I mean really, a DDoS here and there isn't going to do jackshit to Sony. If they actually wanted to get something done, they should do it in a more civil way.

Oh wait.../b/tards, civil? I clearly didn't think that sentence through.

How would you define civil? Sony’s way? People without the money to pay legal fees should just shut up and obey corporations.

Well... I'd define civil as 'not being childish and throwing tantrums'.
You can fight against someone without resorting to 4chan/anonymous actions.
Support the EFF, support George Hotz, speak out against Sony, boycott Sony, write letters, ANYTHING but acting childish.

You seem to have a very narrow view and mindset.

 

[Guild McCommunist]

I will bet you anything that I'm not the only one who typed 4chantards to see if you were lying. That's awesome.

But seriously though, if this is the group that backed up Wikileaks, then by all means, I support them. Well, I support Anonymous either way no matter who it is behind it. Curious as to what will happen though if it is the "dangerous" Anonymous that the media talks about.

Well the media often don't know anything about the internet so most of those stories on the Anonymous and 4chan and what not are often poorly informed and wrong.

I just feel like the Anonymous are more of a joke than something anyone cares about.

Do you honestly think the media can’t figure out what the internet is? May I remind you that 10 year olds can? The media only lets you think what they want you to think.

I was basically saying that that the media reports pretty bad information about the internet. Watch a "Fox Investigative Report" on the Anonymous. It's pretty funny.

And fucking Christ, this whole "DOWN WITH THE CORPORATIONS!" shit is getting old. Yeah, they abuse their power and definitely control a lot of our daily lives, but calling them meanies and organizing DDoS attacks on them won't do shit. If you don't want to play the corporations rules, rip off all your clothes and run into the middle of the woods and live off the land. Otherwise, you're still buying stuff made by corporations, living in buildings owned by corporations, using stuff from the corporations, and making their paycheck.

 

[Sephxus]

@twiztidsinz
You accuse me of having a very narrow point of view, yet you associate me with 4chan. I support individuals and I believe they have tremendous power though they don’t seem to think so. Perhaps you have trouble understanding me because I have a world view perspective and I’m able to connect individual interactions to a global scale. I’m not trying to be a smartass. The sad thing is that not that many people are able to make these connections. If you want to make scholarly arguments, not just thoughts from the gut, study how societies function. You will then learn why people do what they do.

The following will help you a lot in making connections. It is something you are thought in very early sociology courses. It is called the Sociological Imagination by C. Wright Mills.
LINK

@Guild McCommunist
I don't mean to offend you, I don't care if gets old. The fact is that millions of people are dying because of corporations in general. Why do you support them? If you do that is.
Corporations take advantage of the less fortunate.

 

[Guild McCommunist]

@Guild McCommunist
I don't mean to offend you, I don't care if gets old. The fact is that millions of people are dying because of corporations in general. Why do you support them? If you do that is.
Corporations take advantage of the less fortunate.

I don't support corporations but complaining on an internet gaming forum about it won't do anything at all.

They certainly take advantage of people but they still essentially make our world. We rely on them as much as they rely on us. Without us, they won't get any cash. Without them, we won't get our basic necessities. It's not a good situation but that's what it is.

 

[Sephxus]

@Guild McCommunist
I don't mean to offend you, I don't care if gets old. The fact is that millions of people are dying because of corporations in general. Why do you support them? If you do that is.
Corporations take advantage of the less fortunate.

I don't support corporations but complaining on an internet gaming forum about it won't do anything at all.

They certainly take advantage of people but they still essentially make our world. We rely on them as much as they rely on us. Without us, they won't get any cash. Without them, we won't get our basic necessities. It's not a good situation but that's what it is.

We actually do not need corporations, they were enforced upon us. Corporations are relatively new. Even the father of capitalism, Adam Smith, opposed to them.

The game forum thing

, well, I think people here deserve to know. Even if I don't play games anymore, except Castlevania.

 

[Guild McCommunist]

We actually do not need corporations, they were enforced upon us. Corporations are relative new. Even the founder of capitalism, Adam Smith, opposed to them.

Yeah we didn't need corporations maybe 100 years ago (if that's what you consider "relatively new"). But at this time in history they're so deeply rooted in our lives that if we were to just make them go "poof" one day then we should basically all just hang ourselves and get it over with.

I hate the corporations rules and I certainly don't like them, but I can't just quit the game if you know what I mean.

 

[Sephxus]

We actually do not need corporations, they were enforced upon us. Corporations are relative new. Even the founder of capitalism, Adam Smith, opposed to them.

Yeah we didn't need corporations maybe 100 years ago (if that's what you consider "relatively new"). But at this time in history they're so deeply rooted in our lives that if we were to just make them go "poof" one day then we should basically all just hang ourselves and get it over with.

I hate the corporations rules and I certainly don't like them, but I can't just quit the game if you know what I mean.

Perhaps you should, you know read books (that provide evidence) about current world issues, instead of basing everything on what you think. I could just say that is actually not true in every reply, but it would get old soon.

EX. What is the difference between food production by corporation and farmer? What you think may differ greatly from the actual truth.

 

[Guild McCommunist]

We actually do not need corporations, they were enforced upon us. Corporations are relative new. Even the founder of capitalism, Adam Smith, opposed to them.

Yeah we didn't need corporations maybe 100 years ago (if that's what you consider "relatively new"). But at this time in history they're so deeply rooted in our lives that if we were to just make them go "poof" one day then we should basically all just hang ourselves and get it over with.

I hate the corporations rules and I certainly don't like them, but I can't just quit the game if you know what I mean.

Perhaps you should, you know read books (that provide evidence) about current world issues, instead of basing everything on what you think. I could just say that is actually not true in every reply, but it would get old soon.

EX. What is the difference between food production by corporation and farmer? What you think may differ greatly from the actual truth.

Yet we're still paying a corporation for our internet connection, still paying them for cable, still paying them for our electricity, our food (I'm sure you live purely off independently grown farm food), our heat, everything we live on. Your prized Castlevania games are made by a corporation. The Playstation, Gameboy, whatever you play them on, are made by a corporation.

I don't think I want to bother reading the statistics of a bunch of idealist neckbeards who think the world would just easily transition from the mass production of corporations to a bunch of hick farmers making your food.

 

[Deleted_171835]

lol, Anonymous.

Anonymous is filled with a bunch of script kiddies that only know how to DDOS a site.

 

[Sephxus]

Here: http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/020...;condition=used

If you want to have scientifically based studies with good sources, then will be much help.


You act as if we are going to overthrow these corporations, but we just acknowledge they exist and the problems they cause. Whether or not you want to acknowledge it is up to you and everyone else.

p.s. - bought a non working ds lite and fixed it, though i rarely use it now. I don't eat at McDonald's or any fast food chain place. I don't watch TV, gave it away. let's see... what else... I ride the bus to school don't use a car that much (in CA this is incredible). I do these things because I feel cheated. The reality I knew was shattered. Sure we in the US live a great life, but what about the people in third world countries? Even minorities in the US and illegal immigrants. Screw them right? They don't live as well as we do. I do not expect to overthrow them, I just do what I can to live with myself.