Hacking 3DS ROM Decrypting confirmed

[gamesquest1]

ARE YOU FROM THE FUTURE?!?! XD

On a more serious note, will the decrypting of 3DS ROMS lead to a 3DS Action Replay? If so, that would suck, imo.

shhhhhiiii.....i just broke the first rule of time travel
whilst it "could" lead to helping look for "cheats" all that is really needed is ram editing to enable cheats, decrypting the rom isn't essential,

in terms of a "action replay" assuming you mean a cart addon thing from datel, i doubt it would be much use unless they have a method of running unsigned code on the latest firmware's it would only be usable on a 4.x console, i doubt datel would bother catering for such a small community especially when they know most people would just run to buy it then complain it doesn't work with their 7.1.0-16 3ds

 

[Hyperion09]

Smealum already achieved a lot of things on 3DS, but he will not share it until it's piracy-proof, so it's not time to get hyped yet.

lol. Someone is always going to find a way around so-called "piracy-proof" programs or whatever, it's just a matter of time. Live and let live, I say.

I'm more interested in this because it opens the possibility for direct datamining.

 

[Arras]

lol. Someone is always going to find a way around so-called "piracy-proof" programs or whatever, it's just a matter of time. Live and let live, I say.

I'm more interested in this because it opens the possibility for direct datamining.

Devolution has been pretty piracy-proof so far.

What you need to do as a developer is make it harder for pirates to use your program than to create something equivalent themselves (or use something else, of course) - because at that point no one will bother trying to use your stuff for piracy.

 

[Subtle Demise]

Devolution. What you need to do as a developer is make it harder for pirates to use your program than to create something equivalent themselves - because at that point no one will bother trying to use your stuff for piracy.

Devolution could be easily "cracked" but there are already other applications that do the same thing.

 

[daicon]

lol. Someone is always going to find a way around so-called "piracy-proof" programs or whatever, it's just a matter of time. Live and let live, I say.

I'm more interested in this because it opens the possibility for direct datamining.

More homebrew DRM (

Although I couldn't care less as long as it doesn't severely hamper capabilities or delay things so long that the scene deteriorates more. 3DS homebrew is already on its heels and I doubt it will ever really pick up steam with how long things have stagnated and the fireware limitations and need for hardware..

EDIT: Is it 'rednand' that will be getting the DRM?

And since we'll be having to conform to Smea's morals, what are his feelings on emulation?

 

[gamesquest1]

we need disable the DRM and AP to enable some homebrew DRM AP, hackers these day huh

 

[lambstone]

[sarcasm]

OR... everyone could go the way of gateway and implement a brick code which is triggered by running of roms. That'll show the pirates!

[/sarcasm]

 

[daicon]

Abit back on topic now for me... If decrypting ROM images can lead to some edits, what stops a potential romhack from being loaded as unsigned code even though we can't re-encrypt it?

Why? Well I kind of want to mess with Fire Emblem and see if I can romhack in those GAY MARRIAGES I wanted.

 

[gamesquest1]

Abit back on topic now for me... If decrypting ROM images can lead to some edits, what stops a potential romhack from being loaded as unsigned code even though we can't re-encrypt it?

Why? Well I kind of want to mess with Fire Emblem and see if I can romhack in those GAY MARRIAGES I wanted.

Nothing really if the game is able to load un-encrypted and any content checks are disabled you could probably do whatever you want assuming you don't break anything in the process, the Chinese translation of prof Layton shows this should be possible

 

[Duo8]

Abit back on topic now for me... If decrypting ROM images can lead to some edits, what stops a potential romhack from being loaded as unsigned code even though we can't re-encrypt it?

Why? Well I kind of want to mess with Fire Emblem and see if I can romhack in those GAY MARRIAGES I wanted.

Well, if redirecting data request from gamecard to SD is possible then maybe it'll work.

And since we'll be having to conform to Smea's morals, what are his feelings on emulation?

I guess Smea will have HBs run in user mode to prevent piracy. So an emulator is possible.
But with ROM decrypting achieved, is it possible for a user mode loader to load decrypted ROMs?

 

[profi200]

Well, if redirecting data request from gamecard to SD is possible then maybe it'll work.

Not in user mode.

But with ROM decrypting achieved, is it possible for a user mode loader to load decrypted ROMs?

No.

To get this work, some things need to be patched.

 

[Duo8]

No.

To get this work, some things need to be patched.

What things exactly?

 

[profi200]

What things exactly?

Find out yourself

But i can say it's not possible in usermode. And i'm sure smea has some nice protections.

 

[DigitalJosee]

Let's clarify: 3DS got hacked?
But smealum will not released it until he turn it pirate-proof?

 

[Duo8]

Let's clarify: 3DS got hacked?
But smealum will not released it until he turn it pirate-proof?

Basically yes.

 

[ore9ore]

So, when he achieves pirate-proof, we will be capable of run Homebrew games and app, and maybe emulators?
Isn't emulators some kind of pirating games? (not 3DS roms, but SNES, NES, SMS... roms)
It will be posible on any FW, or only on v4.1 - 4.5 like now with the flashcarts?

Finally, couldn't someone be capable of bypass or disable the pirate-proof measures?

Im pro-pirating myself, but I encounter an "HB only" measurement logic and legit for being an honorable/fair use.

 

[gamesquest1]

when its released it will have incorporated Microsoft's always online DRM,"damn you stinky pirate's you will never be playing 3ds roms mwahahaha".........well except for the flash cards that where released months/years/decades ago (delete as applicable to the release date of any homebrew)

seems like the kind of "homebrew" flashcard manufactures would be interested in enabling to protect their profits.....not insinuating anything by that , just seems like the 2 sides have mutual interests

 

[daicon]

So I guess Smea's DRM will prevent potential romhacking like translations and tweaks it sounds like. In addition to that, I'm assuming he won't share his code, which is fine but also a bummer. But in total it sounds like a pretty gimped homebrew scene.

Will he share methods for injecting our own roms into VC or is that also outside of the moral boundaries we'll be allowed?

 

[Duo8]

So we're calling this DRM now?

Will he share methods for injecting our own roms into VC or is that also outside of the moral boundaries we'll be allowed?

Probably not. We could always port an emu anyway.

So, when he achieves pirate-proof, we will be capable of run Homebrew games and app, and maybe emulators?
Isn't emulators some kind of pirating games? (not 3DS roms, but SNES, NES, SMS... roms)

Emus are legal. Pirating ROMs isn't.

Finally, couldn't someone be capable of bypass or disable the pirate-proof measures?

Entirely possible.

 

[daicon]

So we're calling this DRM now?

Well, heh, maybe not the most accurate term. But yeah

Probably not. We could always port an emu anyway.

I don't think we'll be getting any emu ports on this device. The userbase is too small and it's pretty niche. VC injects would be so ideal and let some devs focus their attention on other projects, like systems VC doesn't already support! I'd really love to work on a Virtual Boy emu

RetroArch dev said the 3DS is garbage internal hardware, although they are working on a PSP port now, but that system is vastly more open than the 3DS. If it somehow happens, a RetroArch port would be amazing. Weren't alot of the PSP Emus were made by enthused Japanese devs? I doubt any of the PSP devs will be coming to the 3DS.

Just my observations. Things are far too counter-intuitive to expect to see anything more than fringe hobby apps testing the waters. I'd love to be proven wrong..