Hacking 3ds.guide explanation

[Majickhat55]

And this is why we end up with people who think the hard drive is the "operating system" - or worse: the hard drive is the computer tower. (Source: /r/talesfromtechsupport)

And if those people had an interest they would find more detailed information than "A9LH = Armloaderhax". Why not continue and explain what that is? Or just say it's what load your CFW?

 

[GerbilSoft]

And if those people had an interest they would find more detailed information than "A9LH = Armloaderhax". Why not continue and explain what that is? Or just say it's what load your CFW?

These people then go on to insist that their computer tower is the "hard drive" because "Person X said so!", and refuse to listen to anyone else who says otherwise.

Example: https://www.reddit.com/r/talesfromt...tu/i_need_you_to_fix_google_bing_immediately/ (there's other posts about the Google Bing lady on TFTS, all of them equally as derpy)

 

[Uumas]

And if those people had an interest they would find more detailed information than "A9LH = Armloaderhax". Why not continue and explain what that is? Or just say it's what load your CFW?

It's explained in more detail in installing arm9loaderhax section. I agree that I'm bad at explaining stuff, but it's there anyway.

 

[Majickhat55]

You can't teach noobs wrong terms because they're noobs. That literally defies the purpose of this thread, helping them understand, not teaching them wrong things.
If you teach someone something that's wrong then, what's the point of teaching them at all?
The target audience is well met imo, and it helps clear up some definitions on what certain items are. Also, it states for people interested... some people will only want to follow the guide and use their CFW, others may want to understand it a little more. Teaching them something wrong isn't going to help that from my perspective.

Dd you not read my reply before? So why are we not bashing everyone for calling Luma CFW and not a sig patcher when that's what it is? Oh, because most people aren't going to know or even care what you're talking about. But it's still technically incorrect....

 

[GerbilSoft]

Dd you not read my reply before? So why are we not bashing everyone for calling Luma CFW and not a sig patcher when that's what it is? Oh, because most people aren't going to know or even care what you're talking about. But it's still technically incorrect....

Among other things, Luma does more than just signature patching. (Region-free, payload chainloading, and most recently LayeredFS.)

 

[Majickhat55]

Among other things, Luma does more than signature patching. (Region-free, payload chainloading, and most recently LayeredFS.)

Yeah but it's not a true CFW either way, you can't have it both ways.

 

[GerbilSoft]

Yeah but it's not a true CFW either way, you can't have it both ways.

Define "true CFW".

 

[Majickhat55]

A permanent system CFW installed to the Internal memory in place of the OS which would require the bootrom keys, that aren't available yet. Like 6.20PRO for the PSP for example..... There are no True CFW available on the 3DS, because they can't be at the moment.

 

[GerbilSoft]

A permanent system CFW installed to the Internal memory in place of the OS which would require the bootrom keys, that aren't available yet. Like 6.20PRO for the PSP for example.....

A9LH + Luma3DS in CTR NAND. Is that good enough, or does Luma3DS not being in the FIRM partition somehow not make it "magical" enough?

This method also has an advantage of defaulting to the SD card arm9loaderhax.bin, which provides a recovery option in case the CTR NAND version is broken for some reason. Installing directly to FIRM could lead to a brick if it goes wrong, and would require a hardmod plus a NAND backup to fix.

 

[Majickhat55]

A9LH + Luma3DS in CTR NAND. Is that good enough, or does Luma3DS not being in the FIRM partition somehow not make it "magical" enough?

Again, splitting hairs it's alright to call it a CFW when it's not, but it's not okay to just call the internal memory the OS when that's all the average user is using, or care about. Either it is, or it isn't. Even though the OS is installed to the NAND, the NAND is not the OS. SO even though you can install the patcher, to CTRNAND it still isn't installed in place of the original OSas it still relies on A9LH, so no it's not a true CFW.

 

[GerbilSoft]

So it's only a "true" CFW if you replace the FIRM partition.

This is stupid and anyone who actually has a clue about systems architecture would laugh at that explanation.

By this logic, Windows isn't a "true" OS because it still depends on DOS-era BIOS to boot on most systems.

EDIT: I thought you were previously arguing that "NAND" *was* the OS, not that it was just "internal memory".

 

[Majickhat55]

So it's only a "true" CFW if you replace the FIRM partition.

This is stupid and anyone who actually has a clue about systems architecture would laugh at that explanation.

Except that's exactly what a real CFW is, it's not something that runs over OFW. Period.

 

[GerbilSoft]

Except that's exactly what a real CFW is, it's not something that runs over OFW. Period.

A "real" CFW would be something that doesn't use the original firmware code at all. Examples include DD-WRT and OpenWRT on home routers.

PSP "CFW" isn't real CFW; it's prepatched copies of Sony's firmware. It would take years to completely reverse-engineer and reimplement all of the PSP firmware. (Think on the scale of Wine.)

 

[Majickhat55]

A "real" CFW would be something that doesn't use the original firmware code at all. Examples include DD-WRT and OpenWRT on home routers.

PSP "CFW" isn't real CFW; it's prepatched copies of Sony's firmware. It would take years to completely reverse-engineer and reimplement all of the PSP firmware. (Think on the scale of Wine.)

Agreed, but it's still pre-patched then installed in place of versus being loaded through other means each time you boot. Hardpatches>softpatches are closer to a real CFW than what we have presently.

 

[gnmmarechal]

It's not wrong per se, the OS is installed to the NAND which is the internal memory. Regardless, a noob is going to understand it AS the OS, and nothing more. If they were more curious or tech savvy, they may be interested further. To help a noob you have to think like one, half of them don't even know what the root of their SD card is, I don't expect them to care one way or the other. That's why I was asking. As long as they know what things DO, and what they can do with them, very little care about the how. So no, I wasn't saying give misinformation on purpose, I was saying give half-information until they understand enough to go into full detail.

It is wrong, per se.

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A "real" CFW would be something that doesn't use the original firmware code at all. Examples include DD-WRT and OpenWRT on home routers.

PSP "CFW" isn't real CFW; it's prepatched copies of Sony's firmware. It would take years to completely reverse-engineer and reimplement all of the PSP firmware. (Think on the scale of Wine.)

https://github.com/uofw/uofw

 

[GerbilSoft]

https://github.com/uofw/uofw

TIL such a thing exists, though as I mentioned, it's basically on the scale of Wine. Not exactly simple.

 

[Uumas]

Thanks. When I get to my computer (probably tomorrow), I will update the OP

Took a bit longer than I expected (school making me busy), but finally got it done