Hacking 3DS 6.3 Exploit Found

[Vappy]

Wouldn't blame Smea for wanting to wait until an 8.x firmware to release, but at the same time the number of 3DSes currently on a 6.x exploitable firmware is most of them, or if the exploit still works with 7.x then all of them. And since emunand/rednand lets you use the latest firmware provided you boot from an exploitable one, is there any benefit to waiting?

Also, holy shit yes to everything Ryft said. The sheer greed and arrogance of people who will call devs selfish and blindly insult them for not releasing work that they've volunteered however many hours of their spare time towards, not to mention the years they spend learning and practising and honing their skills to the point where they're even capable of doing what they do, it's completely ridiculous. People should be more grateful that anything gets released at all, developers don't owe you a release, they have no responsibility to the "scene" or anyone but themselves, and given the kind of reception some of them get from some people on this forum I'm amazed they continue posting here.

 

[gamesquest1]

thats all it boils down to, if you cant do it yourself appreciate that someone is actually doing something.....it may not be exactly as you would like....but then they aren't you, they are only making it for themselves....as i have said before i would love to see what homebrew could be made with full and total control over the system, but i wouldn't be able to do it, so i can't start demanding everyone shares my opinion.....especially people who are contributing way more than i ever will to the cause

 

[smealum]

ugh god people i thought my post covered the releasing situation pretty well. maybe i was wrong ? the thing is that the vuln still exists and is still 100% definitely exploitable on 7.1. however, we do not yet have a viable 7.1 entrypoint. i'm holding off a release for now because all releasing it today would do is give nintendo a head start on fixing it before most users
you're free to think it's a bad plan, maybe it is. but i don't understand wanting to deliberately put words in my mouth.

That's a justification...
Must like how Russia justified sending troops into Crimea.

It's bullshit based on previous consoles hacking releases/attitudes to exploits being patched.

Xbox 360 jtag/hacks - released straight away
PS3 - released straight away (bit foggy here considering the drama, but nothing was held back on premise of losing an exploit, it was held back because the people behind the work were aholes)
Wii - released straight away
PSP - released straight away
All consoles ever - released straight away

smea is just another PS3 style "hacker".
An undesirable.

Of the consoles where hacks were held back, it was only the case WHEN AT LEAST ONE HACK was already out. So for example, the iPad, the latest 7.1 untethered hack isn't out yet because the peeps behind it want to hold off for ios8.
Same for various releases of PSP firmware, and same for the PSP part of the Vita.

Nobody holds back a release when there is no release already out there, doing so is just bullshit and making a false justification and makes no sense at all.

The 3DS has already saturated the market enough to make such an argument completely invalid and to consider such an argument as possibly being valid shows ignorance and lack of understanding of the reality here.

The only reason to do such a thing is to stay popular in the public's view, keep interest in you/attention seeking - going forward.
Couldn't care less on a release but I do care about people being hoodwinked by bullshit.

That's the thing, your stupidity (talking to people in general here) is scorned upon by the elite hackers for having the entitlement complex, but then your stupidity is used when it comes to justification by said elite hacker.

Of course "elite hacker" (whomever that may be, but in this case smea) doesn't see things this way because "elite hacker" does not = "elite social understanding of one's and others selves"

That's the problem with hackers these days, they are socially retarded and can't see out their own egotistical rear, they have a "I'm right, you're wrong" style of arguing backing up their views with warped interpretations of social contexts, they spin their views out only really paying heed to their own perspective.

Which is ironic really, since they clearly must possess extreme problem solving abilities, it's very important to understand that this does not make them any better to you or I, in fact, generally statistically, it seems to indicate the opposite!

Yes it's true

ok ? to be honest i'm not sure how to respond to that. i feel like this is a general statement that doesn't really apply to what i've been doing. i guess i can definitely see the whole "attention seeking" thing; i do like to let people know when i find stuff. i don't see it as a bad thing, but apparently you do. oh well.

 

[gameshark]

ugh god people i thought my post covered the releasing situation pretty well. maybe i was wrong ? the thing is that the vuln still exists and is still 100% definitely exploitable on 7.1. however, we do not yet have a viable 7.1 entrypoint. i'm holding off a release for now because all releasing it today would do is give nintendo a head start on fixing it before most users
you're free to think it's a bad plan, maybe it is. but i don't understand wanting to deliberately put words in my mouth.


ok ? to be honest i'm not sure how to respond to that. i feel like this is a general statement that doesn't really apply to what i've been doing. i guess i can definitely see the whole "attention seeking" thing; i do like to let people know when i find stuff. i don't see it as a bad thing, but apparently you do. oh well.

wel it is off course something totally different from what i do making cheats for psp games and then make it public so everybody can enjoy it.
oh well i do it for attention seeking off course.

see it publish it enjoy it

 

[Hozu]

That is so true, back in the day (SNES, PSX, Dreamcast generations) people freely released just about everything. The PSX homebrew community was huge, as was the Dreamcast, because people shared anything they found.

Must've been a different time back then. I can't remember wanting to hold on to information, and I was excited to release whatever I could. I'm quite proud that my contributions led to a homebrew scene on the Genesis, SMS/Game Gear, Saturn, Neo Geo, and CDi (still waiting for that one to take off).

Then again, that's what I saw. The SNES scene started with a few people releasing stuff, same with the Gameboy scene.

Yeah, back in the day before a certain someone was sued for hacking a console. If I found an exploit, I'd actually like to be able to use it, rather than rotting away in a cell or be in debt for the rest of my life due to court-ordered payments.

 

[the_randomizer]

Yeah, back in the day before a certain someone was sued for hacking a console. If I found an exploit, I'd actually like to be able to use it, rather than rotting away in a cell or be in debt for the rest of my life due to court-ordered payments.

That was a civil lawsuit, he wasn't thrown in jail for it, he just has a shitload of legal fees to pay and an injunction to never hack consoles again.

 

[Rob Blou]

amen

Huntereb is quite nice now ... lambstone is the new black sheep + he seems to be trying to beat the Guinness record of the biggest amount posts in a day (no offence intended)

 

[Hozu]

That was a civil lawsuit, he wasn't thrown in jail for it, he just has a shitload of legal fees to pay and an injunction to never hack consoles again.

I know, he settled out of court. And now he has a court order preventing him from ever using his own exploit (or even other people's exploits), meaning he can't even do anything with all the work he did. Yet people wonder why others don't release their exploit.

 

[twidjab]

ugh god people i thought my post covered the releasing situation pretty well. maybe i was wrong ? the thing is that the vuln still exists and is still 100% definitely exploitable on 7.1. however, we do not yet have a viable 7.1 entrypoint. i'm holding off a release for now because all releasing it today would do is give nintendo a head start on fixing it before most users
you're free to think it's a bad plan, maybe it is. but i don't understand wanting to deliberately put words in my mouth.

yo smealum fuck the haters it's a reasonable plan

 

[daicon]

yo smealum fuck the haters it's a reasonable plan

I agree it's a good idea to wait, but Smea should consider releasing 4.5 work so the few of us with 4.5 can get started and see what we can make.

 

[robo989]

You do realise that regardless of the point you're trying to make. People will just swoop in a bash your statements? Chances are, I'll probably get bashed too simply because I didn't bash you.

I'm not saying I agree or that I disagree with you. All I'm saying is I'm not touching this subject with a 60 feet pole. It's has been found that multiple members on gbatemp have porcelain emotions which tend to overwhelm logic.

LOL
I appreciate the non knee jerk response, what I said could easily be pulled apart and sliced up and served back at me ninja throwing star style, of course. That's a given any argument more than a sentence long can be, I concede.
I suppose what I said is a general response to the overall thing and I haven't looked closely at Smea's reasons, with all due respect to him and even taking my some might say rude comments into account personally.
No disrespect is intended, I'm just laying out a very common sense brash "a spade is a spade" type opinion.
There's far too much pussyfooting type debate on this stuff instead of concrete statements be them inflamatory or otherwise - backed up with reasoning. I gave some reasoning, so although it may be flawed and I'd welcome a response on that (if it were appropriate, which it appears to not be as Smea has stated that I am generalizing, which I was).

Smea respect to you for quoting me, but not taking it upon yourself to respond in a condescending holier than thou manner, much appreciated and I seem to have got your wrong.

All the best to you, whatever and all that you do.
I don't respect hackers anymore, but I do respect people who respond calmly and give an explanation as to why the moon is pink, as the colour is hardly the important point. So my apologies for not grasping what was really transpiring here.

Obviously, my points weren't relevant and in a nice twist it was myself who reacted with a kneejerk post. Having watched the PS3 scene drama from a couple of years ago...consider me tainted!

The good old days....where are you!?

 

[robo989]

Why oh why can't we have more programmers/hackers like you around?

Hey it's baargle, nice to see you and I appreciated the pm

 

[daicon]

*snip

 

[the_randomizer]

I knew it was some 4chan numbnuts on the /v/ section who made the report.

 

[westdog]

latest firmware cart that plays 3ds games then ill buy a flashcart i have 25 3ds games the best ones now so inform me when you can hack a latest firmware then im in plus 3ds dont have any more good games only smash wich im getting on wii u so good luck getting a explot for all firmware im sale all 25 games for 300 cash on crieglist has all the best games ill sale my xtra large 3ds too game over hahahah goodluck on hacks hope you dont brick are get errors

 

[gokuguy]

latest firmware cart that plays 3ds games then ill buy a flashcart i have 25 3ds games the best ones now so inform me when you can hack a latest firmware then im in plus 3ds dont have any more good games only smash wich im getting on wii u so good luck getting a explot for all firmware im sale all 25 games for 300 cash on crieglist has all the best games ill sale my xtra large 3ds too game over hahahah goodluck on hacks hope you dont brick are get errors

Punctuation would be nice, but I agree. Once the latest current firmware has been exploited, I'll go for a flash cart in a heartbeat. Perhaps this exploit will lead to newer firmwares being exploited as well. Since I don't play my 2DS too often, I'm going to leave it with the firmware its at now and hope someone comes through for us.

 

[Huntereb]

i'm holding off a release for now because all releasing it today would do is give nintendo a head start on fixing it before most users

Nintendo could patch this so easily by just making the DS profile crash a handled crash (Throw a "An error has occurred." screen).

Though, if they can, why haven't they? I'm almost certain they could.

 

[smealum]

Nintendo could patch this so easily by just making the DS profile crash a handled crash (Throw a "An error has occurred." screen).

Though, if they can, why haven't they? I'm almost certain they could.

they did fix that bug in 7.0.

 

[Mariko]

That is so true, back in the day (SNES, PSX, Dreamcast generations) people freely released just about everything. The PSX homebrew community was huge, as was the Dreamcast, because people shared anything they found. Then again, that's what I saw. The SNES scene started with a few people releasing stuff, same with the Gameboy scene.

What was it that was getting so freely released back in the SNES days, I wonder? Not to argue against your point, but people here mostly complain about coders being reluctant about blowing the 3DS wide open. You can't really compare that to the 90s, when it was either all about warez cred in charts, and releasing those ROM dumps to a small community of copier owners, or trying to get any kind of code to work on a console. Nintendo DS alone blows the whole homebrew library of SNES and PlayStation combined, if we're talking about either scene demos or actual games or utilities.

I'm guessing you probably mean sharing of information. When someone figured something out, they wouldn't just sit on it, but rather discuss and improve, much like homebrew devs of today. Just look at Genesis homebrew scene. People give away sources left and right. Anyways, the situation people like smealum are in is slightly more complicated. Plus, hundreds of people hating on you because you refuse to be the one who destroys 3DS security isn't much of a motivation.

You won't find much of serious dev talk here. Mostly complaints about how much everything sucks when you can't play with the toys someone else is already playing with. This in itself has very little to do with yesteryear's dev scene, which comprised of people interested in entirely different things in much smaller communities.

 

[williamcesar2]

why give up a real chance to CFW, Video Player without time limit ? Hum... watch out ! what they want is : force us to upgrade the system to 6.x or 7.x and to exorcise the 'phanton' of piracy once and for all