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Nikokaro
Nikokaro
...And the victim will carry with him, for the rest of his life, an unbridgeable laceration that will hardly heal completely and whose disruptive effects will emerge unexpectedly in the most disparate, important and embarrassing situations.
KleinesSinchen
KleinesSinchen
While I would like to add the limitation that only certain groups or minorities profit from more awareness and automatically get advocates, the tendency to condemn bullying and harassment is welcome.
Only conceding that protection to some groups is wrong though – individuals may suffer from personal attacks and not get any protection.
Nikokaro
Nikokaro
In my country, it's not just groups that have protection. Even individual children, underage or not, who are bullied have legal and psychological support, perpetrators are reported and punished (usually with social work) and the media daily condemn bullying.
AncientBoi
AncientBoi
Me. I just Fought and fought. Either whoopin azz or gettin whooped. Made no difference to me. That was life back then. Do or Die.
Nikokaro
Nikokaro
How I understand you. I used to be the same way. But it was one thing, to fight one on one. It was another thing, to be laughed at and/or beaten by 5/6 people at a time (usually a pack leader and cowardly wingmen). Not to mention those who looked on laughing, or turned away with indifference. EDIT: @AncientBoi To translate those slang terms, I had to resort to DeepL.😅
Nikokaro
Nikokaro
From personal experience, even when one believes being completely out of it, and has overcome old wounds, there persists an underlying insecurity, an ill-concealed fear of mockery and persecution, which often undermines both intimate and professional relationships, and bringing with it black thoughts of ending it all.
RichardTheKing
RichardTheKing
How many domestic abuse shelters are there for men, again...? Last I checked, most of them are for women, and what shelters did exist for men were nowhere near as well-funded.
Nikokaro
Nikokaro
@RichardTheKing
I was mostly talking about bullying in school settings, experienced firsthand.
If I understand correctly, do you mean abuse experienced in the family setting by an adult male? This is actually a very rare occurrence, and therefore little considered.
The Real Jdbye
The Real Jdbye
People still commit suicide as a result of bullying. I'm not convinced it has helped things at all. They seem to go after the wrong people, the ones who didn't mean any harm at all.
Nikokaro
Nikokaro
@The Real Jdbye Are you referring to any cases that you know of? Generally, it doesn't happen that way. Of course,the first culprit is a bully, gang leader, then there are the wingmen, finally the bystanders (guilty of omission to help); finally the parents who cover and justify them. They are all guilty, but only the first will pay (reformatory, social work, psychotherapy, compensation).
Nikokaro
Nikokaro
If we're talking about online bullying, in my opinion it doesn't compare in the slightest to being mocked or worse being beaten/tortured in everyday reality. In that case it is easier to get out of it (turn off the PC, phone, tablet etc) and it is, in any case, difficult (sometimes impossible) to find the culprits.
HarveyHouston
HarveyHouston
I still think you need to fight back and stand up for yourself in this day of age, but then again, I'm not racist, sexist, super-political, or a religious cult member, so maybe I'm just stupid for saying so.
KleinesSinchen
KleinesSinchen
@RichardTheKing That goes into the same direction what I was thinking.

It depends on who you are. Women are in advantage. Certain (minority) groups are even more in advantage. It seems to me that attacking certain people is – hate that term – politically correct. Made an intimation not too long ago (about double standards and tolerance) but I do not dare to elaborate in public.
KleinesSinchen
KleinesSinchen
A factual, open discussion of that topics isn't possible.
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@Nikokaro As bad as school bullying is (attacking unfinished personalities and leaving marks for life) it is not the only form of harassment.
About online bullying – Two types:
* Strangers → Laugh, turn off computer, forget
* People who also know and attack the the victim in real life → That is harder
RichardTheKing
RichardTheKing
@KleinesSinchen I just hate how instead of actually trying to end racism altogether, and doing what MLK wanted ("judge not by the colour of our skin"), we've just flipped what colour is 'okay' to bash; same with sexism, really.
You can't end racism or sexism by being racist or sexist; that's just illogical.