AI Recomping Controversy, PC Games on Switch and more (ft. Scarlet) - Tempcast #99

Jayro · Oct 3, 2026

tech3475 said:
I'm starting to wonder if you're actually an AI, this hallucination about Pandora's Box doesn't help .

Supply and demand is still a thing though, if fewer people used cloud AI the demand/justification for data centers also goes down and fewer data centers likely means lower silicon sales/prices.

You're also assuming that they don't just shift manufacturing over to HBM, which I wouldn't be surprised if that somehow makes things worse.

I'd prefer to run local models when possible.

tech3475 · Oct 3, 2026

Jayro said:
I'd prefer to run local models when possible.

Local models I don't have as much of a problem with since obviously that doesn't contribute to data center demand, at least not as much, that's why per my quote and when I usually complain I specifically say "cloud AI".

However, I have a suspicion that allot of people just use cloud AI.

Octoblimp · Oct 3, 2026

tech3475 said:
Local models I don't have as much of a problem with since obviously that doesn't contribute to data center demand, at least not as much, that's why per my quote and when I usually complain I specifically say "cloud AI".

However, I have a suspicion that allot of people just use cloud AI.

Yes very likely so because it takes a lot of compute to run models as good as say, Claude Opus 5.5. The good models are out there and quantized, however when you lower their training set and make it smaller, therefore making it able to run on more and more computers, you also make it dumber. So you can try to run Opus 5.5 locally, and if you wanted to run it on say, your gaming laptop, you'd have to run a heavily quantized version. Specifically getting a PC setup outfitted for the biggest, most powerful local models, that is a must for running the more non-quantized models. Source on Quantization if you're interested

I personally use Claude for my projects (yes I'm an AI person, hate me if you choose, but at least I admit it). I've tried local models for experiments, learning how to setup local models et cetera and doing demonstrations for classes, and what I can say, is the cloud models are more accessible, and also more powerful than what many people can afford to do locally. And as for my position on AI: I think AI's bad, but I also know it is here to stay. I do believe there is a bubble and even though I use AI, I still want it to pop. I do not support AI for anything that takes artists jobs. Other than that, I'm like neutral to leaning towards AI.

Scarlet · Oct 3, 2026

Octoblimp said:
Yes very likely so because it takes a lot of compute to run models as good as say, Claude Opus 5.5. The good models are out there and quantized, however when you lower their training set and make it smaller, therefore making it able to run on more and more computers, you also make it dumber. So you can try to run Opus 5.5 locally, and if you wanted to run it on say, your gaming laptop, you'd have to run a heavily quantized version. Specifically getting a PC setup outfitted for the biggest, most powerful local models, that is a must for running the more non-quantized models. Source on Quantization if you're interested

I personally use Claude for my projects (yes I'm an AI person, hate me if you choose, but at least I admit it). I've tried local models for experiments, learning how to setup local models et cetera and doing demonstrations for classes, and what I can say, is the cloud models are more accessible, and also more powerful than what many people can afford to do locally. And as for my position on AI: I think AI's bad, but I also know it is here to stay. I do believe there is a bubble and even though I use AI, I still want it to pop. I do not support AI for anything that takes artists jobs. Other than that, I'm like neutral to leaning towards AI.

Even with a lot of VRAM at your disposal (I tried on a Mini PC with 128GB of unified memory) the local models just don’t seem to handle complex tasks. I’ll admit I haven’t revisited it in a while though. I’m sure they will get better.

TomSwitch · Oct 5, 2026

tech3475 said:
I'd rather have lower RAM and SSD prices myself.

Those prices have gone up, not least because AI is getting ready to kill us all. Whether you get an AI port or not, you’re still going to die.

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Foxi4 said:
They said the same thing about the combustion engine at one time. Imagine that, having to drill into the crust of the earth to pump out crude oil and having to refine it into petroleum just to spin a wheel when a horse can spin it just as well and eats grass which just grows out of the ground with zero assistance. I have the opposite view - much like the introduction of the Internet to the masses, AI infrastructure will continue to grow - it must grow in order to meet increasing demand, both from industrial customers and regular consumers. Even once it is built out, it will need regular maintenance, just like web hosting does. Demand will stabilise at some point, but it will always be elevated going forward and the only relief available is a permanent increase in manufacturing capacity. As it was said earlier in the thread, this genie is not going back into the bottle - yesterday AI was making funny memes, then it began making full-blown videos, now it’s decompiling binaries, and accurately too. It’s the new normal.

Using fossil fuels has yet to kill us. Will AI do it sooner? Meanwhile, it is foolish and hypocritical to condemn fossil fuels while everyone, whether pro- or anti-fossil fuel, enjoys some of what came from them. I expect it will be the same with AI.

You can't avoid AI, just as you can't avoid fossil fuels. Has anyone ever asked for a label stating that fossil fuels were involved in making a product so they could choose to avoid it? You can safely assume that fossil fuels are involved in almost everything in your life, and soon, AI will be the same.

Is AI rich going to be similar to oil rich? Clearly many think so.

RyanTheArchivist · Oct 5, 2026

skawo said:
If your goal is just to create PC port, sure. The AI can do that. It will probably eventually create a functionally-equivalent but nonsensical codebase full of fakematches (things that compile to the same binary, but are not anywhere close to what was in the original code) and without naming stuff properly.

Said codebase is effectively useless to humans afterwards (and possibly also AI, lacking context from the previous runs), because trying to understand what it does requires you to repeat the reverse engineering effort.

I mean just look at this AI Decomp of Banjo Kazooie. Does any of this code actually tell you anything about how the game works? https://gitlab.com/banjo.decomp/banjo-kazooie/-/blob/master/src/core2/code_C4B0.c

Compare with a decomp done properly:
https://github.com/zeldaret/oot/blob/main/src/code/z_collision_check.c
https://github.com/SMGCommunity/Petari/blob/master/src/Game/AreaObj/CollisionArea.cpp

Yeah and generally it is rather easy to tell what decomps and recomps were done by human vs AI just from playing them for a few minutes.

Foxi4 · Oct 5, 2026

TomSwitch said:
Using fossil fuels has yet to kill us. Will AI do it sooner? Meanwhile, it is foolish and hypocritical to condemn fossil fuels while everyone, whether pro- or anti-fossil fuel, enjoys some of what came from them. I expect it will be the same with AI.

I don’t think anyone in this thread has condemned the use of fossil fuels.

emigre · Oct 5, 2026

Foxi4 said:
I don’t think anyone in this thread has condemned the use of fossil fuels.

Fuck fossil fuels.

Massive proponent on renewables and nuclear here.

Foxi4 · Oct 5, 2026

emigre said:
Fuck fossil fuels.

Massive proponent on renewables and nuclear here.

It’s a nice sentiment, if unrealistic.

Lop1 · Oct 5, 2026

Foxi4 said:
It’s a nice sentiment, if unrealistic.

Nuclear isn't really unrealistic from a practical standpoint. Nuclear is atm likely the only actual solution to energy crisis that we even have available. Renewables on the other hand........not so much.

Foxi4 · Oct 5, 2026

Lop1 said:
Nuclear isn't really unrealistic from a practical standpoint. Nuclear is atm likely the only actual solution to energy crisis that we even have available. Renewables on the other hand........not so much.

We use fossil fuels for so, so much more than just energy. You are surrounded by indispensable materials created by the petroleum industry. Oil and gas aren’t going anywhere even *if* we transition to primarily renewable energy.

Lop1 · Oct 5, 2026

Foxi4 said:
We use fossil fuels for so, so much more than just energy. You are surrounded by indispensable materials created by the petroleum industry. Oil and gas aren’t going anywhere even *if* we transition to primarily renewable energy.

Correct, oil is used for a lot of stuff, but transitioning to nuclear power would open up a looooooooooooot of resources to be used for other things. That is kinda the crux of what I meant.

Foxi4 · Oct 5, 2026

Lop1 said:
Correct, oil is used for a lot of stuff, but transitioning to nuclear power would open up a looooooooooooot of resources to be used for other things. That is kinda the crux of what I meant.

Nuclear energy’s great. The bottleneck is processing capacity, not availability or environmental concerns (it’s actually very, very green). It’s a nuanced subject.

Lop1 · Oct 5, 2026

Foxi4 said:
Nuclear energy’s great. The bottleneck is processing capacity, not availability or environmental concerns (it’s actually very, very green). It’s a nuanced subject.

Yea, I know it's very green, which is why I wish we all moved to it fully, but that is expensive.....very expensive and takes a looooooong time.

TomSwitch · Oct 6, 2026

Lop1 said:
Yea, I know it's very green, which is why I wish we all moved to it fully, but that is expensive.....very expensive and takes a looooooong time.

Maybe the AI administrators can co-operate with each other much much better than human administrators can and make things happen like they did for codes.

Assuming that they don't decide to kill us first.

Dragon91Nippon · Oct 6, 2026

Foxi4 said:
That’s what they’re being sued for, not necessarily what they’re doing. They’re private companies, they have no obligation to supply the market with anything, and it stands to reason that with limited fabrication capabilities they would focus on what sells the most, and for the most. They’re booked solid until what, end of 2027? They physically cannot produce more memory, that’s the extent of “manipulation” here.

I mean computers are necessary for modern life, both in the consumer aspects and the infrastructure side, so maybe they shouldn't be allowed to run as private companies without obligation to serve society.
Unfortunately the need for computers for modern comforts will likely only be apparent when utilities or public services need to replace their equipment and that doesn't happen very often so it's easy to forget how necessary the devices controlling the infrastructure we depend on are.

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Jayro said:
I'd prefer to run local models when possible.

I would prefer local models as well, and local is the future since cloud companies will squeeze their customers for money in the future. They're already doing it.

Ultimately though I don't give people shit about what they use themselves because everyone has their own workflow.

TomSwitch · Oct 6, 2026

Dragon91Nippon said:
I mean computers are necessary for modern life, both in the consumer aspects and the infrastructure side, so maybe they shouldn't be allowed to run as private companies without obligation to serve society.
Unfortunately the need for computers for modern comforts will likely only be apparent when utilities or public services need to replace their equipment and that doesn't happen very often so it's easy to forget how necessary the devices controlling the infrastructure we depend on are.

Like maybe you want to claim TSMC and ASML too?

Dragon91Nippon said:
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I would prefer local models as well, and local is the future since cloud companies will squeeze their customers for money in the future. They're already doing it.

Ultimately though I don't give people shit about what they use themselves because everyone has their own workflow.

Right, some people generate their own electricity instead of using the power grid. Much better security.

Using that as an analogy it would mean no air-con for you.

You AI recompile would hallucinate and tell you everything is done when nothing is done.

RyanTheArchivist · Oct 6, 2026

Foxi4 said:
Nuclear energy’s great. The bottleneck is processing capacity, not availability or environmental concerns (it’s actually very, very green). It’s a nuanced subject.

very green if corners arent cut and inspections are done properly that is. Some of our worst meltdowns have been due to management avoiding proper regulation, skipping inspections, and cutting corners.

TomSwitch · Oct 6, 2026

RyanTheArchivist said:
very green if corners arent cut and inspections are done properly that is. Some of our worst meltdowns have been due to management avoiding proper regulation, skipping inspections, and cutting corners.

I think AI or SI is the answer if they don't kill us first.

Foxi4 · Oct 6, 2026

Dragon91Nippon said:
I mean computers are necessary for modern life, both in the consumer aspects and the infrastructure side, so maybe they shouldn't be allowed to run as private companies without obligation to serve society.
Unfortunately the need for computers for modern comforts will likely only be apparent when utilities or public services need to replace their equipment and that doesn't happen very often so it's easy to forget how necessary the devices controlling the infrastructure we depend on are.

”Your business is very important, so we’ve collectively decided that you are now our slave” - charming.

RyanTheArchivist said:
very green if corners arent cut and inspections are done properly that is. Some of our worst meltdowns have been due to management avoiding proper regulation, skipping inspections, and cutting corners.

Exceedingly rare. Most negative press nuclear gets still stems from Chernobyl, other accidents were comparatively tame, not to mention that they occurred in old reactors (a quick reminder that Fukushima was opened in the 70’s and only failed due to an earthquake), they’re now considerably safer to operate. A traditional coal power plant releases more radiation into the environment than a nuclear plant does, and it’s not close - coal has trace amounts of radioactive material and it’s all going straight into the atmosphere.

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