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If you have the money and time, you are welcome to visit Xinjiang, China, and see for yourself.
Those rumors will naturally fall apart.
Are you suggesting that they will let me inspect the detention centres? Do they normally let people wander in and ask questions about the barbed wire and shoot to kill policies?

I'm starting to get the impression you don't know what rumours you're supposed to be defending. Just, generic anti-China stuff, right? Quick tourist trip should solve that.
 
I don't know how to comment...I only saw your previous reply about the documentary.
Can you learn how to get a girlfriend just by playing galgames?
...I have no idea what that question's supposed to mean, but...okay.
I feel like there are no issues with privacy or personal freedom in China, unless you're a criminal.
And I'm going on the word of a single youtube documentary and the word of my boss, who went there on vacation recently (summary: great technological advancements over Europe, would totally dominate our car industry if we'd let them, very clean cities, not a single physical coin needed for the trip - which is apparently equally so among the population...and not really a notion of 'personal space').
 
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Are you suggesting that they will let me inspect the detention centres? Do they normally let people wander in and ask questions about the barbed wire and shoot to kill policies?

I'm starting to get the impression you don't know what rumours you're supposed to be defending. Just, generic anti-China stuff, right? Quick tourist trip should solve that.
So you've already decided that Xinjiang is a prison camp, and now you're demanding to inspect it?

I'm saying: come see the city streets, the markets, the schools.
If you look with open eyes, you'll find no "camps" – just people living their lives.
 
'm saying: come see the city streets, the markets, the schools.
If you look with open eyes, you'll find no "camps" – just people living their lives.
What an incredibly absurd thing to say. False too, but the idea that someone would fall for it is mind boggling
 
So you've already decided that Xinjiang is a prison camp, and now you're demanding to inspect it?

I'm saying: come see the city streets, the markets, the schools.
If you look with open eyes, you'll find no "camps" – just people living their lives.
If you're not even willing to admit that there have been human rights violations, then you're just a propagandist. We don't need to visit it to find out for ourselves. The UN went there in 2022 and concluded it with documented evidence.

https://www.hrw.org/news/2022/09/01/china-new-un-report-alleges-crimes-against-humanity

So point fingers at other countries that did terrible things in the past in order to deflect, but for you to say nothing is happening currently in China isn't going to get you anywhere.
 
If you're not even willing to admit that there have been human rights violations, then you're just a propagandist. We don't need to visit it to find out for ourselves. The UN went there in 2022 and concluded it with documented evidence.

https://www.hrw.org/news/2022/09/01/china-new-un-report-alleges-crimes-against-humanity

So point fingers at other countries that did terrible things in the past in order to deflect, but for you to say nothing is happening currently in China isn't going to get you anywhere.
That report is a U.S.-backed lie; the truth is China's official response.
Michelle Bachelet – who released that fake report – has visited China this June, and China has already forgiven her.
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Michelle Bachelet↗

Bachelet visited Xinjiang in May 2022 and made positive remarks, yet on her last day in office (Aug 31, 2022) she released that fake report. I think she had no choice back then, America's coercive tactics are well known to all. :rofl:
 
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So you've already decided that Xinjiang is a prison camp, and now you're demanding to inspect it?

I'm saying: come see the city streets, the markets, the schools.
If you look with open eyes, you'll find no "camps" – just people living their lives.
So, your position is that the camps do not exist?

Your position is outdated. That used to be the argument, but satellite photos and a bunch of other evidence made that obviously untenable.
Now the line from China is that they do exist, but they're actually just schools and are totally fine and normal. Yknow, doesn't every country have a bunch of schools in one specific part of the country, for specific people, with armed guards?

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But, let me guess. The satellites are fake and China is just too busy to point this out. I'm sure the street markets are cool too.
 
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So, your position is that the camps do not exist?

Your position is outdated. That used to be the argument, but satellite photos and a bunch of other evidence made that obviously untenable.
Now the line from China is that they do exist, but they're actually just schools and are totally fine and normal. Yknow, doesn't every country have a bunch of schools in one specific part of the country, for specific people, with armed guards?

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But, let me guess. The satellites are fake and China is just too busy to point this out. I'm sure the street markets are cool too.
A photo without time, location, or context proves nothing. I don't debate unsourced images.
 
A photo without time, location, or context proves nothing. I don't debate unsourced images.
It's from the aforementioned documents leak, which I am aware you have comprehensively debunked by saying its fake. Shows a training drill for an escape attempt.
It wasn't really the main point, though, I just included it in the hopes you were going to argue that these were all actors or something. I assume you have nothing to say about the rest of the post you ignored.

Ignore the photos if you want, theres only a few thousand of them. What are these sites for, the ones you don't think exist? https://xjdp.aspi.org.au/map/?

Surely satellite imagery is a common starting point that deserves more debate than the "its fake", I mean it is hard to get better location data than that.
 
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It's from the aforementioned documents leak, which I am aware you have comprehensively debunked by saying its fake. Shows a training drill for an escape attempt.
It wasn't really the main point, though, I just included it in the hopes you were going to argue that these were all actors or something. I assume you have nothing to say about the rest of the post you ignored.

Ignore the photos if you want, theres only a few thousand of them. What are these sites for, the ones you don't think exist? https://xjdp.aspi.org.au/map/?

Surely satellite imagery is a common starting point that deserves more debate than the "its fake", I mean it is hard to get better location data than that.
Are you sure this photo came from that file?
That just so happens to prove it's a rumor, and also your stupidity. :rofl:
Type 95 is a bullpup rifle, so where did its magazine go?:rofl:
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Why are we so caught up on China and if they have camps or not, and why aren't we focusing on the fact that the United States 100% has camps?
 
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Are you sure this photo came from that file?
That just so happens to prove it's a rumor, and also your stupidity. :rofl:
Type 95 is a bullpup rifle, so where did its magazine go?:rofl:
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You really can't think of a reason why the magazines would be removed for a training exercise? Christ, they aren't going to shoot themselves.

Anyway, just for the record, more information on these photos is found here: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1b/The_Xinjiang_Police_Files.pdf
It even goes into locations and timestamps, as you requested earlier. There's quite a lot there, so, should be really easy for China to debunk it. But all we get is "it's fake".

Let me know if you'd like to try the satellite photos, whenever you're ready.
 
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