Trump is the most corrupt US president in history

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He might be, I don't follow US politics closely (if there's a rumor he's about to die or he fucked some kids I'll read for a while, nothing happens though).

Anyway, as an outsider looking at this farce it seems they all were corrupt... All bought by the same interest groups no matter their political allegiance (which you have two, one more than dictatorships).

I think the worst was Obama, because people just love the guy, but he was George W in black face... A lot more intelligent, more charismatic and a way WAY better speaker, but it was the same guy, with the same politics. He wasn't worse than Trump, but Trump isn't liked by anyone anywhere (outside the US), Obama is.
Can you provide some actual examples that makes Obama like George W? I mean, with saying people love him, and that he's more intelligent, more charismatic and a better speaker, but not going into anything where he'd be corrupt like GW makes it sounds like you think he's just as bad "just because".
 
Surveillance, wars... I mean he was worse so maybe they can't be compared..?
You mean, things that began under Bush and got carried over to the next president for how deep they were? Heck, Obama made that deal with Iran, which Trump then ripped up that led us to this predicament with the strait (mainly because of the hold that Israel has on Trump). GWB was known for preemptive military intervention, particularly with Iraq and Afghanistan. Obama was known for diplomacy and multilateral agreements.
 
You mean, things that began under Bush and got carried over to the next president for how deep they were? Heck, Obama made that deal with Iran, which Trump then ripped up that led us to this predicament with the strait. GWB was known for preemptive military intervention, particularly with Iraq and Afghanistan. Obama was known for diplomacy and multilateral agreements.
Yes, they for sure began with George... Isn't he supposed to be the other end of the scale, or halfway across at least (right and extreme right?).

What did George W begin in Syria and Libya? Nothing as far as I know... I don't even want to be a distraction, if people hate Trump, good on you. The Obama administration was a long time ago. I'm not mad at the guy, I think it's hard to do just about anything in politics just because the party whip tells you what to do, say and act... Also if you have people who lobbied to get you into office they are now your masters (don't matter what end of the spectrum you're on, they already got you).
 
Yes, they for sure began with George... Isn't he supposed to be the other end of the scale, or halfway across at least (right and extreme right?).

What did George W begin in Syria and Libya? Nothing as far as I know... I don't even want to be a distraction, if people hate Trump, good on you. The Obama administration was a long time ago. I'm not mad at the guy, I think it's hard to do just about anything in politics just because the party whip tells you what to do, say and act... Also if you have people who lobbied to get you into office they are now your masters (don't matter what end of the spectrum you're on, they already got you).
Bush started a war with Iraq and Afghanistan. Obama did NOT start a war with Syria and Libya.

It's kind of funny, because Trump claimed that Obama would start a war with Iran, multiple times over years, yet what ended up happening is Trump did it himself.
 
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Well, nobody really is. Unless you have a way of paying zero taxes then your money is going to the slush fund.

You can't possibly be comparing random people investing have access to the same information or ability.

He literally buys stocks of companies that the government is making deals with behind closed doors, then announces that the deal to give them billions of dollars in a tweet. For Palantir, he literally tweeted out the stock name in his comment! Normal people can't do that in any way.
You can have a Twitter (or Truth nowadays, Trump doesn’t do much on X) account for free, you have access to anything he says. Are you accusing him of a pump and dump when the PLTR ticker is up nearly 1390% up since 2020? Okay. I’m sorry that you didn’t buy in time, I wish I held on to my shares for a bit longer myself. Are you accusing him of publishing false information? Palantir *did* get contracted by the federal government. I’m not sure what kind of response you’re expecting. Consider following the Pelosi Tracker if you’re looking for guaranteed gains.
Not really, he basically sued himself for something that happened during his presidency.The lawsuit would most likely been thrown out or at least delayed until he wasn't president, since there was the problem that there were no 2 sides while Trump was president. Then he basically settled with himself, to circumvent the court, but the cherry on top is that it's not him that's paying but the taxpayers.

Honestly, at best this all is extremely sketchy and most likely illegal.
The lawsuit refers explicitly to actions taken by the previous administration. Donald Trump the president and chief executive is not equivalent to Donald Trump the private citizen.
 
You can have a Twitter (or Truth nowadays, Trump doesn’t do much on X) account for free, you have access to anything he says. Are you accusing him of a pump and dump when the PLTR ticker is up nearly 1390% up since 2020? Okay. I’m sorry that you didn’t buy in time, I wish I held on to my shares for a bit longer myself. Are you accusing him of publishing false information? Palantir *did* get contracted by the federal government. I’m not sure what kind of response you’re expecting. Consider following the Pelosi Tracker if you’re looking for guaranteed gains.
Wow, this just smacks of dishonesty and bad faith. 'You can also see the posts' isn't defense against the corruption. By that logic, insider trading would be fine as long as the insider tweeted right before executing the trade.

Whataboutism of Pelosi is beyond dumb at this point. Can she tweet out a single comment about a company and move the market like Trump has been? Has she been tweeting out at all about companies she owns stock in? Of course not, no. As I said to the other bootlicker, I don't defend her or anyone else who does insider trading, but the differences in corruption here are day and night.

I have a pension in Japan that I can't touch until I'm 65, and it's doing just fine since it's so heavily invested in the US market. I don't care about it though. It'll more than likely be worthless in the near future when the market crashes. Saying others can profit as well is missing the point entirely, and just shows how low you'll go to defend the corruption.
 
The lawsuit refers explicitly to actions taken by the previous administration. Donald Trump the president and chief executive is not equivalent to Donald Trump the private citizen.
The leak took place between 2018 and 2020. So which administration are you talking about?
 
I think insider trading is bad. Insider trading by politicians even more so, because that creates obvious conflicts of interests between their personal interests and the interests of the country.

I don't think this is a hot take. Even if bOtH sIdEs do it, same issues apply. Even if...I don't know, something victim-blamey about people still trying to use global financial systems while Donald Trump is in office? None of this addresses the problem, it is all obfuscation.

Its not like this is the only example either. Even if insider trading is based, actually, Trump also has all his crypto schemes - too many incidences of self-enrichment to count, the zone is flooded. Like, it sure is interesting how Polymarket is forbidden to serve US customers, but the government seems remarkably lax about enforcing this while Donald Trump Jr is a board member.

Or, you know, the literal Trump coin that gives you access to private dinners with him, overwhelmingly bought by foreign actors several of whom are sanctioned by the US. You couldn't have a more perfect path for bribes if you tried.

Trump's government permanently shielding Trump from tax investigations is just the latest episode of this.
 
The leak took place between 2018 and 2020. So which administration are you talking about?
I was wondering when he said that too. It was 100% during his time in office.

The crazy thing is, he wasn't the only one affected by the leak as well. 405,000 people's data was leaked at that time. But Trump, decided it was specific to him, therefore he deserves billions. Elon Musk and Jeff Bezos' data was in there too. Do THEY get to sue the government now? Of course not, because that would be dumb. That wouldn't even be comparable to how dumb this is. That would be Bezos suing Amazon for for billions for leaking his own data out.
 
Wow, this just smacks of dishonesty and bad faith. 'You can also see the posts' isn't defense against the corruption. By that logic, insider trading would be fine as long as the insider tweeted right before executing the trade.

Whataboutism of Pelosi is beyond dumb at this point. Can she tweet out a single comment about a company and move the market like Trump has been? Has she been tweeting out at all about companies she owns stock in? Of course not, no. As I said to the other bootlicker, I don't defend her or anyone else who does insider trading, but the differences in corruption here are day and night.

I have a pension in Japan that I can't touch until I'm 65, and it's doing just fine since it's so heavily invested in the US market. I don't care about it though. It'll more than likely be worthless in the near future when the market crashes. Saying others can profit as well is missing the point entirely, and just shows how low you'll go to defend the corruption.
You obviously want to get a very specific response about something I don’t care about. People have been making bank by observing the market, including moves made by politicians and high-profile investors, for as long as the exchange existed. You’re making a lot of accusations with not a lot to support them.
The leak took place between 2018 and 2020. So which administration are you talking about?
Charles E. Littlejohn was investigated in 2022 and prosecuted in 2023, he was convicted for leaking financial data of multiple individuals, including Trump. At the time the IRS and the Department of Treasury denied any wrongdoing as organisations and laid the blame solely on the leaker. Seeking accountability for a big fuck-up is not unusual. He may have been hired in 2017, but that’s not when the investigation took place or when the legal process played out.
 
Charles E. Littlejohn was investigated in 2022 and prosecuted in 2023, he was convicted for leaking financial data of multiple individuals, including Trump. At the time the IRS and the Department of Treasury denied any wrongdoing as organisations and laid the blame solely on the leaker. Seeking accountability for a big fuck-up is not unusual. He may have been hired in 2017, but that’s not when the investigation took place or when the legal process played out.
The leak was known and reported before Biden ever took office. It was public knowledge. You are literally giving Trump's administration a pass on this for doing nothing, while blaming Biden's administrations for having done SOMETHING.
 
The leak was known and reported before Biden ever took office. It was public knowledge. You are literally giving Trump's administration a pass on this for doing nothing, while blaming Biden's administrations for having done SOMETHING.
I’m sure the IRS and the Department of Treasury sucked ass under both presidents, I’m just stating the facts of the investigation. The DOJ passed the buck at the time instead of seeking accountability from the individuals who should’ve noticed sooner that one of their agents is illegally collecting data on private citizens with the intent to disseminate. Both Trump and Biden were Chief Executives, but neither was actually overseeing the day-to-day operations of Internal Revenue *or* the DOJ, those functions are delegated.
 
I’m sure the IRS and the Department of Treasury sucked ass under both presidents, I’m just stating the facts of the investigation. The DOJ passed the buck at the time instead of seeking accountability from the individuals who should’ve noticed sooner that one of their agents is illegally collecting data on private citizens with the intent to disseminate. Both Trump and Biden were Chief Executives, but neither was actually overseeing the day-to-day operations of Internal Revenue *or* the DOJ, those functions are delegated.
The fact is, it happened under Trump's watch, and he and his administration did jack-shit about it, and now he's going after Biden's administration for something his own ignored. Just the fact he's going after Biden's administration means he could have gone after his own back then. But he didn't. That alone reeks of foul play.
 
You obviously want to get a very specific response about something I don’t care about. People have been making bank by observing the market, including moves made by politicians and high-profile investors, for as long as the exchange existed. You’re making a lot of accusations with not a lot to support them.
As I've said in previous channels, I'm here for the laughs at this point. I don't expect any of you to have an epiphany at this point that you've hitched your wagon to one of the worst people in the world. You've defended Jan 6th. You've defended the pardoning of those traitors. I point out dumb or illegal shit that Trump has done, then I observe the bootlickers twist themselves in pretzels to defend it no matter how dumb or illegal it is. It's a hobby that just keeps on getting funnier.

What he has done here is so blatantly illegal and in the open that many in the GOP are up-in-arms about it. Even the hilarious video of Jim Cramer, who usually has something to say about everything, was completely at a loss for words. At this point, I'm positive that if a video of Trump screwing a child was released, you'd defend that too. 'She looks over 16, so it doesn't count' or 'He did it without being told her age, so he was ignorant that she was only 11'. It's TRULY a sight to behold.
 
The pedophile who brags about sexually harassing/assaulting women, was best friends with Epstein, is friends with Musk, and is currently protecting one of the most horrific pedophile rings in history, is corrupt? That’s shocking
 
Think you know how bad this is? Think again.



When LegalEagle is angry, you better listen.

Good lord!!

As someone who is not from the States, the level of corruption is almost awe-inspiring.
The fact Trump is gonna be able to pay out the guys who invaded the Capitol, assaulted police officers and went to commit MORE crimes after they were pardoned is mind shattering.

What's worse the comments I see in the thread are "Obama bad" and "both sides" confirms to me that America may not be able to recover from Trump. Legit robbing from the American people in daylight now.
 
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As I've said in previous channels, I'm here for the laughs at this point. I don't expect any of you to have an epiphany at this point that you've hitched your wagon to one of the worst people in the world. You've defended Jan 6th. You've defended the pardoning of those traitors. I point out dumb or illegal shit that Trump has done, then I observe the bootlickers twist themselves in pretzels to defend it no matter how dumb or illegal it is. It's a hobby that just keeps on getting funnier.

What he has done here is so blatantly illegal and in the open that many in the GOP are up-in-arms about it. Even the hilarious video of Jim Cramer, who usually has something to say about everything, was completely at a loss for words. At this point, I'm positive that if a video of Trump screwing a child was released, you'd defend that too. 'She looks over 16, so it doesn't count' or 'He did it without being told her age, so he was ignorant that she was only 11'. It's TRULY a sight to behold.
Who’s “any of you”? You’re talking to me, one person. Have fun chasing strawmen though. Big time “he can’t keep getting away with this! :cry: vibes Jesse, you sure sound like you’re here for fun. I don’t care about Trump dunking on the IRS, I don’t know what to tell you. In fact, I encourage all citizens to dunk on the IRS at any available opportunity.
The fact is, it happened under Trump's watch, and he and his administration did jack-shit about it, and now he's going after Biden's administration for something his own ignored. Just the fact he's going after Biden's administration means he could have gone after his own back then. But he didn't. That alone reeks of foul play.
The man was only charged in 2023, the leak was anonymous, IIRC. I’m not entirely sure when the identity of the leaker was discovered. IRS under Trump failed to adequately vet a contractor, the DoT under Biden refused to take accountability upon completing its internal investigation and the DOJ, once again under Trump, is correcting those mistakes by dunking on the IRS and providing restitution to the aggrieved parties.
 
Who’s “any of you”? You’re talking to me, one person.
I @'ed the four lowest common denominators here that seem to have no bottom, so I was referring to you as a group. You're one of the most brazen and pretzel shaped though.
Have fun chasing strawmen though.
The thought that you would clearly defend Trump even if there was a video that was released? It's not so much of a strawman and more of an inevitability at this point.
I don’t care about Trump dunking on the IRS, I don’t know what to tell you. In fact, I encourage all citizens to dunk on the IRS at any available opportunity.
Right, dunking on the IRS, which he is in control of with a DOJ that he is in control of. All at the cost of the taxpayer. Ie: You. As mentioned though, there were over 400,000 people's data leaked. Do they all deserve 1.8 billion as well?

What's funny is, you fell into one of my categories:
At this point the bootlickers can either begrudgingly say that they regret supporting such an openly corrupt criminal, or they can double down and say "Yeah, he's doing it because he's so smart and strong! He beat the law!", further chiseling away at their morality and humanity.
Predictable, as always.
 
The man was only charged in 2023, the leak was anonymous, IIRC. I’m not entirely sure when the identity of the leaker was discovered. IRS under Trump failed to adequately vet a contractor, the DoT under Biden refused to take accountability upon completing its internal investigation and the DOJ, once again under Trump, is correcting those mistakes by dunking on the IRS and providing restitution to the aggrieved parties.
You're still focused on when he was charged as if that's all that matters to focus the blame on Biden's administration, and not when this all first came out. Anonymous or not, Trump's administration did nothing when they could/should have when it was first discovered that the IRS disclosed his information without authorization during Trump's first term. They didn't seek out New York Times and ProPublica which reported the leaks to get any information. You're basically proving how incompetent Trump's administration is. And the things is, the moment Trump knew of this, he's only has 2 years to act on it, as per U.S. Code 7431. At no point can any reasonable person believe Trump was kept from this information until only about 2 years ago. Seriously, the President at the time not told of something affecting him when the American people knew? Not even you can believe this nonsense. They did know, and did nothing. Yet here you say they are correcting mistakes. Mistakes Trump's own administration made.

Restitution to the aggrieved parties? You mean like the J6ers, who stormed the Capitol, obstructed official proceeding, caused destruction of government property, had weapon offenses, and assaulted law enforcement officers? Many who got pardoned and then went on to do other acts that got them arrested... again? Those "aggrieved" parties? This is like suggesting they are now paid protestors.
 

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