Hardware The SUPER5 OLED screen mod for the Switch Lite uses a 1080p screen and stretches the Switch Lite's 720p signal to fit.

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I appreciate your contributions to the modding scene as well, Thank you Voultar!

I didn't want this to be a Taki bash thread, but he is definitely a difficult character to appreciate. Especially when he resorted to belittling my console modding side business after being confronted about the lack of clarity of the Super5 products. Attached is most of my interaction between myself and him for anyone curious about his pitiful response to this issue. This is a public discord, so for readability, many messages are cropped in between ours:
Wow, reading that chat made me genuinely angry. I bought this screen on the assumption that it would match the original's resolution. I mean, why would I assume otherwise? It makes no sense to sell an enthusiast product like this with such a clear compromise.
If they had properly disclosed that this was a 1080p screen, I would never have bought it and wouldn't have wasted my money buying a Switch Lite specifically for this. This killed any potential goodwill I might have had for this product as well as Taki's other projects. I had also pre-ordered his SuperStation one FPGA box but I've already sent an e-mail requesting to cancel and refund it, as I'm simply not interested in their products anymore thanks to this.
 
Not trying to be mean but - Too many unaddressed concerns by the creator... IMO. Embarrassing stuff to be honest this long after taking peoples' money without transparency or any obligation to keep people informed of status updates.

..this project is gonna be a hard pass for me.

Skimming the discord sounds like there's now concerns of the screen or case not being flush, and battery drain being a thing as well specific to the touch model. And whether or not cutting the magnesium frame is optional, recommended, or required for touch model. And impact of tariffs / possible price increases passed along to the customer. And moving goal posts of ETAs or no ETA. And even if that other person means well or is nice, Taki effectively has some random novice installer / eBay reseller vouching for him at every turn just cause he did a few installs on the no touch model and likes to flaunt his hekate screens and downloaded games.

This is like a masterclass in how to not 'launch' a product, even if its a small shop. He continues to show minor progress / improvements (really fundamental fixes to basic functionality that was promised like vsync stuff from HDMI) to the product he's already sold people, and continues to show interest in other upcoming projects. Should get basic affairs in order and ship what he's already committed to before ramping up other endeavors. This would all be fine if he weren't running a business and just doing some hobbyist one-off things for friends. But he isn't. His customer are inherently not his 'friends'.

Even worse, there is no documentation as has been called out repeatedly recently, no updated product description, no updated YouTube videos for how to put this thing together, vague tweets, and couple word responses to peoples worries that always leaves room for interpretation or an out. Not seeing much empathy at all, it's hard to believe he's doing this 'out of love' for the gaming community. As far as I can tell, why would he have any love for people constantly seeking answers (rightfully) and getting frustrated by lack of transparency over and over again?

Even if @Voultar and Taki had a nice chat and remedied things, I think he was not out of line for calling it out. I'm not sure I'd so go far as to call him a scammer, can't know this person's true intentions in light of missing the mark, but they certainly seem to have been punitive towards patient people with money on the table by their actions (why would Taki cancel Voultar's order for being outspoken? It's his right to deny doing business with someone, but it seems retaliatory for Voultar just trying to warn potential future customers from falling into the same frustrating trap as he fell into, as a customer) or lack thereof.. again IMO. And a slow moving disaster, if nothing else.
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And to the point of this thread, non-integer scaling to a 1080p display (or lets say for arguments sake 720p with sub optimal sub pixel structure at best, resulting in a non-integer scaling appearance) absolutely will stick out to enthusiasts especially on a smaller display where fine details need to be sharp for tired eyes to see them. Ripping apart a switch lite, potentially breaking it, to get OLED contrast levels with so many concessions and non razor sharp pixels seems like the ultimate dilemma: is it actually worth it?

He argues lots of games aren't 720p native, which is really a distraction from the elephant in the room that nobody wanted a 1080p display on a 720p max handheld device but I'm pretty sure a decent amount of the first party titles that specifically draws people to Switch, are. And if you're saying 'well it's a 540p game it's gonna look like crap anyways' sort of thought process, what's the point in going through the hassle of swapping out the panel?

And if sourcing a modern quality 720p 5 inch OLED display proves to be difficult or impossible, why would he not have considered a higher quality 720p 5 inch LCD display that, when calibrated, certainly would knock the pants off the cheap but nicely calibrated Innolux's that shipped with Lite. Even V1/V2 LCD switches leapfrog over Lite in screen quality, and they preceded it.

And reaching out to home-brew devs to see if they will accommodate his 1080 panels, OK I guess. But not everyone wants to go down the home-brew rabbit hole simply to have the product they thought they were getting. And the onus is certainly not on them to fix his product either.
 
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Not trying to be mean but - Too many unaddressed concerns by the creator... IMO. Embarrassing stuff to be honest this long after taking peoples' money without transparency or any obligation to keep people informed of status updates.

..this project is gonna be a hard pass for me.

Skimming the discord sounds like there's now concerns of the screen or case not being flush, and battery drain being a thing as well specific to the touch model. And whether or not cutting the magnesium frame is optional, recommended, or required for touch model. And impact of tariffs / possible price increases passed along to the customer. And moving goal posts of ETAs or no ETA. And even if that other person means well or is nice, Taki effectively has some random novice installer / eBay reseller vouching for him at every turn just cause he did a few installs on the no touch model and likes to flaunt his hekate screens and downloaded games.

This is like a masterclass in how to not 'launch' a product, even if its a small shop. He continues to show minor progress / improvements (really fundamental fixes to basic functionality that was promised like vsync stuff from HDMI) to the product he's already sold people, and continues to show interest in other upcoming projects. Should get basic affairs in order and ship what he's already committed to before ramping up other endeavors. This would all be fine if he weren't running a business and just doing some hobbyist one-off things for friends. But he isn't. His customer are inherently not his 'friends'.

Even worse, there is no documentation as has been called out repeatedly recently, no updated product description, no updated YouTube videos for how to put this thing together, vague tweets, and couple word responses to peoples worries that always leaves room for interpretation or an out. Not seeing much empathy at all, it's hard to believe he's doing this 'out of love' for the gaming community. As far as I can tell, why would he have any love for people constantly seeking answers (rightfully) and getting frustrated by lack of transparency over and over again?

Even if @Voultar and Taki had a nice chat and remedied things, I think he was not out of line for calling it out. I'm not sure I'd so go far as to call him a scammer, can't know this person's true intentions in light of missing the mark, but they certainly seem to have been punitive towards patient people with money on the table by their actions (why would Taki cancel Voultar's order for being outspoken? It's his right to deny doing business with someone, but it seems retaliatory for Voultar just trying to warn potential future customers from falling into the same frustrating trap as he fell into, as a customer) or lack thereof.. again IMO. And a slow moving disaster, if nothing else.
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And to the point of this thread, non-integer scaling to a 1080p display (or lets say for arguments sake 720p with sub optimal sub pixel structure at best, resulting in a non-integer scaling appearance) absolutely will stick out to enthusiasts especially on a smaller display where fine details need to be sharp for tired eyes to see them. Ripping apart a switch lite, potentially breaking it, to get OLED contrast levels with so many concessions and non razor sharp pixels seems like the ultimate dilemma: is it actually worth it?

He argues lots of games aren't 720p native, which is really a distraction from the elephant in the room that nobody wanted a 1080p display on a 720p max handheld device but I'm pretty sure a decent amount of the first party titles that specifically draws people to Switch, are. And if you're saying 'well it's a 540p game it's gonna look like crap anyways' sort of thought process, what's the point in going through the hassle of swapping out the panel?

And if sourcing a modern quality 720p 5 inch OLED display proves to be difficult or impossible, why would he not have considered a higher quality 720p 5 inch LCD display that, when calibrated, certainly would knock the pants off the cheap but nicely calibrated Innolux's that shipped with Lite. Even V1/V2 LCD switches leapfrog over Lite in screen quality, and they preceded it.

And reaching out to home-brew devs to see if they will accommodate his 1080 panels, OK I guess. But not everyone wants to go down the home-brew rabbit hole simply to have the product they thought they were getting. And the onus is certainly not on them to fix his product either.

I was very disappointed to read that the Switch Lite replacement screen is not in-fact a 720 panel but is a 1080p unit that is being soft scaled. Had I known this, it would've been a huge deal-breaker for me.

After speaking with Taki (if he's even a real person, currently I have my doubts), I feel like he's just an employee for one of these larger Chinese manufacturing companies that's being used as a spokesperson. Ultimately, I just hope that people get what they've paid for.
 
Had I known this, it would've been a huge deal-breaker for me.

After speaking with Taki (if he's even a real person, currently I have my doubts),
its all so convenient 1080p wasn't touted in the product specs page.

I saw in discord he also referred to the images in this thread as 'memes' - who's exactly meme-ing the microscopic sub pixel layout photo or 3d world into something comical with captions? cuz I aint seeing that.

He was like 'I didn't see it in the green A of Mario 3d world title screen on my unit, so it's fake news.'
Or 'I assembled two touch super5's for bosses of companies or something - it closes up fine (like who gaf the context of the customer)

Lol. I wouldn't doubt some algorithmic canned responses being AI generated at this point. That would probably make more sense than the current thing.

Also- I forgot to mention there are ALSO concerns of appreciable latency. I can't vouch for any of this as I dont have a unit, just being gathering input off discord and this thread and it seems overall pretty grim.
 
its all so convenient 1080p wasn't touted in the product specs page.

I saw in discord he also referred to the images in this thread as 'memes' - who's exactly meme-ing the microscopic sub pixel layout photo or 3d world into something comical with captions? cuz I aint seeing that.

He was like 'I didn't see it in the green A of Mario 3d world title screen on my unit, so it's fake news.'
Or 'I assembled two touch super5's for bosses of companies or something - it closes up fine (like who gaf the context of the customer)

Lol. I wouldn't doubt some algorithmic canned responses being AI generated at this point. That would probably make more sense than the current thing.

Also- I forgot to mention there are ALSO concerns of appreciable latency. I can't vouch for any of this as I dont have a unit, just being gathering input off discord and this thread and it seems overall pretty grim.
Oh, man.. If there's significant input delay (or even more than the 720P of the Switch Lite), that's going to be pretty damning.

I'm giving the benefit of the doubt right now. If I receive my Super OLED5 and it's garbage, I'm not going to be nice about it, publicly.

What I find most irritating is that Taki asserted (or at least heavily implied) that this stuff was designed and only awaiting manufacturing. Never, not once did he say that it was still in the design phase. IMO, he collected money under a false premise. I totally understand that people like the fact that he sells cheap MisTer hardware, and I can appreciate that, too. But I think there's more going on here..
 
I just pulled these photos from Reddit from different users that did the install - can even see the 1080p effect on Home Screen : looks like smoothing filter constantly on :( sword and Brothership icons do not look detailed at all to my eyes

2d games look especially janky and off.
 

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I was very disappointed to read that the Switch Lite replacement screen is not in-fact a 720 panel but is a 1080p unit that is being soft scaled. Had I known this, it would've been a huge deal-breaker for me.

After speaking with Taki (if he's even a real person, currently I have my doubts), I feel like he's just an employee for one of these larger Chinese manufacturing companies that's being used as a spokesperson. Ultimately, I just hope that people get what they've paid for.
Considering he was in contact with Retroid/Ayn, helped design the Retroid Pocket 4, and knew enough about their warehouse and parts sourcing to leak confidential information I'd say that's extremely likely.
 
Alright, last shot of my Stock Switch Lite LCD unit before I fully disassemble it for modding.
Super5 OLED top left, Stock Switch Lite LCD panel bottom right.

Both panels at max brightness.
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Seems even more delays and decision making for people who preordered, geez this is absolutely brutal + no self awareness from the dev.
 
Wow, reading that chat made me genuinely angry. I bought this screen on the assumption that it would match the original's resolution. I mean, why would I assume otherwise? It makes no sense to sell an enthusiast product like this with such a clear compromise.
If they had properly disclosed that this was a 1080p screen, I would never have bought it and wouldn't have wasted my money buying a Switch Lite specifically for this. This killed any potential goodwill I might have had for this product as well as Taki's other projects. I had also pre-ordered his SuperStation one FPGA box but I've already sent an e-mail requesting to cancel and refund it, as I'm simply not interested in their products anymore thanks to this.
I finally received my screen and installed it, and I felt the need to come back and say that I likely reacted too harshly to this whole debacle. I do still think they should have disclosed the resolution of the panel, but having now seen it in person, the loss in sharpness is fairly negligible. I won't say it's completely unnoticeable, but it is very subtle and I feel it is unlikely to bother even the most demanding users, likely thanks to the small size of the display.
Ideally the panel would have been 720p and avoided this problem entirely, but I do feel this is a case where the pros far outweigh the cons. I'd happily recommend this to anyone unsatisfied with the Lite's stock LCD display.

As far as input lag goes, I don't have the equipment to do any proper objective testing, but subjectively I didn't notice any extra lag after playing about two hours of Donkey Kong Country Returns. I'd say it feels the same, but I wouldn't put much stock into what anyone says on this subject (including myself!) until someone manages to do some proper objective testing to measure if the display introduces any additional lag over the stock LCD.
 
I finally received my screen and installed it, and I felt the need to come back and say that I likely reacted too harshly to this whole debacle. I do still think they should have disclosed the resolution of the panel, but having now seen it in person, the loss in sharpness is fairly negligible. I won't say it's completely unnoticeable, but it is very subtle and I feel it is unlikely to bother even the most demanding users, likely thanks to the small size of the display.
Ideally the panel would have been 720p and avoided this problem entirely, but I do feel this is a case where the pros far outweigh the cons. I'd happily recommend this to anyone unsatisfied with the Lite's stock LCD display.

As far as input lag goes, I don't have the equipment to do any proper objective testing, but subjectively I didn't notice any extra lag after playing about two hours of Donkey Kong Country Returns. I'd say it feels the same, but I wouldn't put much stock into what anyone says on this subject (including myself!) until someone manages to do some proper objective testing to measure if the display introduces any additional lag over the stock LCD.

That's good the screen seems good. So latency is fine?

..Just wish Taki ran a more streamlined biz
The wait continues for HDMI touch continues.

People are probably better off keeping an eye on eBay for Lites that already have the screen installed at this point lol. Then again, they won't be HDMI touch since that's still not out.

Would always welcome more pics for this thread for educational purposes :D
 
I appreciate your contributions to the modding scene as well, Thank you Voultar!

I didn't want this to be a Taki bash thread, but he is definitely a difficult character to appreciate. Especially when he resorted to belittling my console modding side business after being confronted about the lack of clarity of the Super5 products. Attached is most of my interaction between myself and him for anyone curious about his pitiful response to this issue. This is a public discord, so for readability, many messages are cropped in between ours:
I was considering this product because an OLED Lite is my dream system, which why I'm reading this whole thread but reading his replies, the way he treated you (an actual real paying customer), the way he moved goalposts and completely avoided the subject and then disappeared made me so incredibly angry at this guy that I decided I won't be giving a single penny to this person. Ugh.

Also, I can't stand DS games on 3DS. Something even remotely similar to that is unacceptable to me for a screen which is supposed to be an upgrade.
 
I appreciate your contributions to the modding scene as well, Thank you Voultar!

I didn't want this to be a Taki bash thread, but he is definitely a difficult character to appreciate. Especially when he resorted to belittling my console modding side business after being confronted about the lack of clarity of the Super5 products. Attached is most of my interaction between myself and him for anyone curious about his pitiful response to this issue. This is a public discord, so for readability, many messages are cropped in between ours:
What a piece of shit! Thank fuck I never bought his crap.
 
You have a moral responsibility to keep people informed who you’ve collected an interest free loan from for a year. It’s that simple.

If it was just a deposit I’d be a lot more forgiving to the situation

I feel like his other products are gonna be even more disastrous and make super5 look like child’s play
 
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Also, I can't stand DS games on 3DS. Something even remotely similar to that is unacceptable to me for a screen which is supposed to be an upgrade.
Same, I can't stand playing DS games on 3DS either. In this case I'd say it looks acceptable likely due to the screen's significantly higher pixel density when compared to something like the 3DS. I've been using it for a few days now and also comparing it to my stock Switch OLED, for me the loss in sharpness has felt most noticeable when looking at textual elements in the Switch's home screen. When I'm actually playing a game I have to go out of my way to focus on 3D object edges to really notice anything.
Of course, if I pick up my Switch OLED and compare them side-by-side there is an immediately noticeable extra bit of sharpness on the stock OLED, but I can't say the slightly softer image has really bothered me when I'm actively using the SUPER5 OLED instead of doing comparisons.

As far as colors go, I'm pretty pleased with how it looks out of the box. It compares very favorably to the Switch OLED in my opinion. I did notice that the screen's default gamma setting seems to be slightly too low though, which results in some darker details being crushed. I believe one of the two buttons on the screen's FPC can be used to calibrate this though, I just haven't gotten around to doing it yet because I'm too lazy to open up the Lite again... closing it up was a pain in the ass thanks to the extra volume added by the screen's power cables.
 
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Pardon a bump but I had a thought that seemed to not be addressed on Resolutiongate... this is not meant to defend Taki who should have absolutely disclosed the resolution... but this comparison is also not exactly apples to apples.

From those close-up screenshots, it seemed like the Super5 OLED uses a pentile subpixel arrangement that is pretty common on phones. The color fringing resulting from this gets more and more noticable the lower the PPI goes. Its possible that pentile 720p would look even blurrier than we are getting with the 1080p version. And conversely the 1080p upscale likely "blends" better than you'd see with RGB stripe on LCDs with their sealed off square pixels. (Meanwhile the Switch OLED uses S-RGB which has independent pixel colors, albeit arranged in a way that produces some color fringing.)

Basically if one accepts the compromise of having to use a pentile panel, I can see 1080p (or something else) being the choice over 720p. I suppose 1440p would be ideal for sharpness but hard to source.
 
I left this thread because too much drama, but coming back to it after Russ RGC's video and holllyyyy moly I'm glad I cancelled my Touch HDMI order. What a mess! Taki (if real?? lol) is even more of a jerk than I thought. No idea he was working with Retroid either, as they are also a company I have had nothing but issues with.

It's interesting Russ' didn't appear to have blur. I know that Taki supposedly improved the scaling method for the Super7 OLED, so maybe there is a possibility they are using that on the more recent shipments of the Super5? Mine was one of the first Super5's shipped. Regardless, doesn't matter if nobody can buy the product anymore...
 
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how are we feeling about the super5 HDMI solution, that one has to opt for bluetooth or can use lower quality aux out audio and has to be decided when you've opened up the device?

And if you want the higher quality audio, I think has to be done with a conversion box on top of it.

Wish Taki just was honest about the project from the get go, when he unveiled I over 1+ year ago he was not that forthcoming that it was not complete a total WIP.
 

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