Hacking Question emuMMC and sysMMC payloads

[Draxzelex]

I remember Briccmii very well and all the other stuff that was hot before hekate become as big as it is now. Memloader for example was my way to go to access the SD card without pulling it out the console every damn time.
However, a single simple payload that does nothing but boot stock on an autoRCM console would still be nice for a few cases.
Some people may prefer Argon NX over hekate.
Or some people don't want to put files on the SD card (or not even have one inside currently) which is a requirement to use hekate (it doesn't do much without the bootloader folder).
I use hekate and I love it. Still I was in a few situations where I was testing things or dealing with multiple SD cards and setups and would have appreciated it if there was a "boot stock FW" payload I could quickly fire up with TegraRcmSmash or something.

I mean that is reaching niche levels of being too lazy. The fact of the matter is Hekate can boot Stock and can do it immediately with the right setup. In situations where you need it, you either set it up or just perform it manually. Dedicating an entire payload to that is tantamount to, well, an entire payload for toggling AutoRCM. Utilities like briccmii and memloader were "hot" because the scene hadn't involved very far and alternatives were few and far between. Nowadays, we pretty much have everything we realistically need hence why no new apps or similar are popping out.

And as a side note, you cannot launch any type of Stock mode without files on the SD card past firmware 7.0 due to sept.

 

[tabzer]

I mean that is reaching niche levels of being too lazy. The fact of the matter is Hekate can boot Stock and can do it immediately with the right setup. In situations where you need it, you either set it up or just perform it manually. Dedicating an entire payload to that is tantamount to, well, an entire payload for toggling AutoRCM. Utilities like briccmii and memloader were "hot" because the scene hadn't involved very far and alternatives were few and far between. Nowadays, we pretty much have everything we realistically need hence why no new apps or similar are popping out.

And as a side note, you cannot launch any type of Stock mode without files on the SD card past firmware 7.0 due to sept.

It would be a useful tool, especially for developers and tinkerers. Niche levels of being too lazy? Lol you are a poet.

 

[Draxzelex]

It would be a useful tool, especially for developers and tinkerers. Niche levels of being too lazy? Lol you are a poet.

Am I wrong though? After all, what is the difference between a payload for stock and Hekate then just touching the Stock icon or setting up an autoboot for Stock? Another way to look at it is where is everyone asking for a stock payload? Nobody asked for it before it was implemented into Hekate. Nobody asked for it after it was implemented into Hekate. And its been 3 years since then.

 

[LeyendaV]

In what scenario would you not have access to Hekate but a theoretical payload that only boots stock?

None, at least for me. That's why I clearly said on my op that is was a question out of simple curiosity.
But at this point it's more than obvious that people don't even care for what I said, they recognize two or three words on my text and quickly rush to leave a random reply that may or may not answer correctly my question, but at least they rise their messages counter and may even gain some likes.
And yes, the forum is public, one can reply whatever he/she want, but that doesn't meant they have to, because when a question is asked, is to get a proper answer.

And rather than trying to actually give a proper answer, they try to act smart and also gain xp on the forum. A shame what this place has turned into.

 

[tabzer]

Am I wrong though? After all, what is the difference between a payload for stock and Hekate then just touching the Stock icon or setting up an autoboot for Stock? Another way to look at it is where is everyone asking for a stock payload? Nobody asked for it before it was implemented into Hekate. Nobody asked for it after it was implemented into Hekate. And its been 3 years since then.

It's not exactly wrong. It isn't something that would be mandatory afaik. I could just see it being a useful tool. With a stock payload, you could boot an autorcm device without an SD card. I'm sure there are is a handful of dev-testing situations where that would be rather convenient, and niche user case. Calling it lazy is kind of besides the point.

And yes, the forum is public, one can reply whatever he/she want, but that doesn't meant they have to, because when a question is asked, is to get a proper answer.

Ask a question properly, and stop trying to get XP on the forum.

 

[Draxzelex]

It's not exactly wrong. It isn't something that would be mandatory afaik. I could just see it being a useful tool. With a stock payload, you could boot an autorcm device without an SD card. I'm sure there are is a handful of dev-testing situations where that would be rather convenient, and niche user case. Calling it lazy is kind of besides the point.

As I've already stated, you cannot boot stock without sept past firmware 7.0 and I'm pretty sure sept is too big to fit into a payload that is already trying to boot stock. Perhaps that is the real reason a stock payload hasn't been created aside from everything else I mentioned.

 

[tabzer]

As I've already stated, you cannot boot stock without sept past firmware 7.0 and I'm pretty sure sept is too big to fit into a payload that is already trying to boot stock. Perhaps that is the real reason a stock payload hasn't been created aside from everything else I mentioned.

When I think about a payload that boots stock, I'm not thinking about atmosphere at all. I'm thinking of booting into a normal system via RCM.

 

[LeyendaV]

Ask a question properly, and stop trying to get XP on the forum.

My question was pretty clear. So clear, it was already answered. Not my fault if you can't understand english properly, bud.

 

[tabzer]

My question was pretty clear. So clear, it was already answered. Not my fault if you can't understand english properly, bud.

"When you boot through Hekate, you use the same fusee payload but you change the settings to launch stock or Atmosphere.
But what if you wanna launch directly using your PC, smartphone or dongle? Let's asume you don't have Hekate, is there such things as atmos.bin and stock.bin to directly lauch one or the other?"

Please. The convoluted prelude to your question demonstrated a fault in your understanding of how Hekate works. The first line of my response to you was that you can push a payload like Hekate does. Like, really? You are going to fault me for pointing out that Hekate works by pushing payloads when you say something that shows that you don't know that?

Not my fault if you can't understand english properly

How does one "lauch"?

 

[LeyendaV]

The convoluted prelude to your question demonstrated a fault in your understanding of how Hekate works.

Again, not my fault if you can't understand such an easy question. But it's ok, foreign languages are hard, you are trying your best.

 

[tabzer]

Again, not my fault if you can't understand such an easy question. But it's ok, foreign languages are hard, you are trying your best.

If the question was so easy, then why did you ask?

For xp and likes?

Also, why did you say that you know how hekate works, perfectly? You obviously didn't.

You like to lie to strangers?

 

[LeyendaV]

If the question was so easy, then why did you ask?

For xp and likes?

Also, why did you say that you know how hekate works, perfectly? You obviously didn't.

You like to lie to strangers?

And I see you still don't get such a easy question. Maybe you should go back and study english before interacting with people on the internet?

 

[tabzer]

And I see you still don't get such a easy question. Maybe you should go back and study english before interacting with people on the internet?

I asked a couple easy questions too. Why don't you answer them?

I answered yours.

You are welcome btw.

 

[Hayato213]

My question was pretty clear. So clear, it was already answered. Not my fault if you can't understand english properly, bud.

Seriously stop bashing other for trying to help you.

This was your original post

Just a doubt that came to my mind when talking with some friends about the scene.

When you boot through Hekate, you use the same fusee payload but you change the settings to launch stock or Atmosphere.
But what if you wanna launch directly using your PC, smartphone or dongle? Let's asume you don't have Hekate, is there such things as atmos.bin and stock.bin to directly lauch one or the other?

EDIT:
Please notice, I know what Hekate is, I've been using it for over a year since I hacked my console. I don't need to learn how to use it, I don't need to hear why should I use it or anything related to Hekate.
Please, learn to read properly so you can understand other people and don't reply just to raise your messages counter. Thanks.

Perhaps you should really look at a hekate IPL and understand how it works, you can rename the payload all you want if your config is wrong it ain't going to work at all, if you don't use hekate as bootloader the only other one that you can use is Atmosphere bootloader. If you don't have autorcm setup or loading up a custom bootloader it should be loading into stock.

 

[LeyendaV]

I asked a couple easy questions too. Why don't you answer them?

I answered yours.

You are welcome btw.

Open a thread like I did and I'll gladly answer your questions the same way you answered mine. If you make a question on someone else's thread, it will mostly get lost among the messages.
Guess you need to practice both language AND how to properly use the forum.

Perhaps you should really look at a hekate IPL and understand how it works, you can rename the payload all you want if your config is wrong it ain't going to work at all, if you don't use hekate as bootloader the only other one that you can use is Atmosphere bootloader. If you don't have autorcm setup or loading up a custom bootloader it should be loading into stock.

My question was pretty simple and straight forward. I just asked if there's something like atmosphere.bin and stock.bin that will launch emunand and sysnand stock respectively when injected, regardless of how they are injected. The answer is yes for atmos and no for stock.
That's about it. So, as you can see, your message was unnecessary, as you are giving me a long answer to a question I never made.

 

[tabzer]

I just asked

No you didn't. You tried to look smart and said something stupid instead. It needed clarification.

Open a thread like I did and I'll gladly answer your questions the same way you answered mine. If you make a question on someone else's thread, it will mostly get lost among the messages.
Guess you need to practice both language AND how to properly use the forum.

Considering that are asking easy questions without bothering to search for an answer first, I wouldn't consider you an authority on forum etiquette.

Considering that you don't know how to respond to questions within the context of a discussion, I wouldn't consider you an authority on the English language.

Nice talking to you WiiJECT. You truly functioned as a disservice throughout this whole thing.

 

[Hayato213]

My question was pretty simple and straight forward. I just asked if there's something like atmosphere.bin and stock.bin that will launch emunand and sysnand stock respectively when injected, regardless of how they are injected. The answer is yes for atmos and no for stock.
That's about it. So, as you can see, your message was unnecessary, as you are giving me a long answer to a question I never made.

Perhaps if you did read post #9 that I post 10 days ago, you would understand how a hekate.ipl work, like I point out in the last post you could boot into emunand and stock on the same payload setup, with stock you need the stock=1 and emummc_force_disable=1, emummc_force_disable=1 if you were running cfw on sysnand.

No offense, you should work on your attitude, to be honest, we don't need to help you with your attitude like that.

 

[LeyendaV]

Considering that you don't know how to respond to questions within the context of a discussion, I wouldn't consider you an authority on the English language.

I'm sorry you still have no idea what I've been talking about the last few days here. Seiously, please consider taking basic lessons asap, it will help you a ton. <3

Perhaps if you did read post #9 that I post 10 days ago, you would understand how a hekate.ipl work, like I point out in the last post you could boot into emunand and stock on the same payload setup, with stock you need the stock=1 and emummc_force_disable=1, emummc_force_disable=1 if you were running cfw on sysnand.

I did read it. That's why I'm saying you didn't understand my question, since you keep talking about Hekate and I never asked about it, I just mentioned it. You saw the Hekate name on my op and automatically thought my question was about it, when it obviously never wasn't.
So you either didn't read the whole thing and just threw a random answer, or your reading comprehension level is painfully bad.

 

[Hayato213]

I'm sorry you still have no idea what I've been talking about the last few days here. Seiously, please consider taking basic lessons asap, it will help you a ton. <3


I did read it. That's why I'm saying you didn't understand my question, since you keep talking about Hekate and I never asked about it, I just mentioned it. You saw the Hekate name on my op and automatically thought my question was about it, when it obviously never wasn't.
So you either didn't read the whole thing and just threw a random answer, or your reading comprehension level is painfully bad.

Whatever Im not wasting time trying to explain it to you, it won't work if you just fusee-primary as bootloader without chainloading it in the first place, when you use hekate you have to set up a config telling the bootloader what to do, that why there is the purpose of hekate.ipl

 

[tabzer]

I'm sorry you still have no idea what I've been talking about the last few days here. Seiously, please consider taking basic lessons asap, it will help you a ton. <3

Seiously?

I'm pretty sure I understood considering I supplied the answer. It also seems you are embarrassed about having your ignorance pointed out--so you resort to dishonorable tactics in lashing out. Are you a teenager?